Liverpool FC Forum

bigmick wrote:I think the way that Rafa is being dealt with and treated is a sign of times with regards these mega wealthy owners of football clubs. We're not talking a David Moores, Simon Jordans, Elton John's or a Doug Ellis here, blokes that are basically lifelong supporters who have a shedload of cash, these Abrahamovic's, Glazers, the Thai bloke and our two are different animals altogether.

These people are stupendously rich and powerful men, who have bought football clubs largely as a hobby, but also as investments. They all own major companies, multi nationals where they have managers and boards of directors who would probably call them "sir". They probably have yachts, anchored off the southern coast of France at their beck and call with skippers and crew who call them sir. They probably own racehorses, whose multi millionaire trainers and multi millionaire jockeys would tip their forelocks and call them sir.

If they tip tens of millions of pounds into a football club, and pay a fella a couple of mill' a year to manage it for them, they wouldn't expect to be given a load of backchat and attitude when they tell the said manager that they'll discuss business in a couple of weeks. These kind of people are not in all likelyhood going to stand for a deal of histrionics from the manager of the football club they bought, particularly as some have pointed out when we are hardly uprooting trees this season (and I know we're unbeaten in the League). It's not as if there would be a shortage of takers should the job be advertized in the local paper, and my bet is they'd be able to find somebody no problem who would treat them with plenty of respect, as much as they'd like whenever they show up in Liverpool in return for the huge salary.

Somebody pointed out that Ferguson didn't give any nonsense to the Glazers and he didn't. When it looked like he wasn't been fully backed in the early days of their tenure, when the rumours were flying around about a lack of funds he kept his mouth shut in  public. Nobody is indespensible as Mourinho found out. As Avram Grant is demonstrating, when someone like Abrhamovic says he wants more attacking football and a manager who does as he is told, there are plenty about who are ready, willing and maybe even capable as well.

My strong advice to the manager would be to bite his tongue and bide his time.

For once Mick that was a decent post. 

Ciggy wrote:Mick they arnt even on the Forbes rich lists why?

bigmick wrote:I would think you'd struggle to find a bookmaker who take a bet on Mourinho being the manager on the first game of next season. Just wild and silly speculation I'll grant you, but stranger things have happened.

If they don't like Rafa having a pop at them just wait until the special one arrives 

bigmick wrote:As a side note on the Rafa situation, nobody has mentioned yet that the owners could be in kind of in a win win situation with regards to Rafa and whether he is successful or not. I thought it was very interesting that Mourinho very quickly put paid to the rumours about him and the England job, despite it seeming to me to be perfect for him (even Capello said he was "amazed" the former Chelsea man didn't want the job).

Is it just possible that there has been contact with "the not so special one", with a view to him waiting and seeing visa-vis how the season pans out at Liverpool. I can't get over the feeling that he'd love to manage us, and it wouldn't be the most stupid piece of club ownership ever (certainly not in the minds of those who know little about our football culture anyhow) to have a replacement at the ready for the beginning of next season should it all go pearshaped this.

Put it this way, if relationships between the owners and Rafa did bring about a parting of the ways sooner rather than later (which is very possible now IMHO), and one of the backroom staff or some other be given the job on a caretaker basis until the end of the season, I would think you'd struggle to find a bookmaker who take a bet on Mourinho being the manager on the first game of next season. Just wild and silly speculation I'll grant you, but stranger things have happened.

There have been murmurs from different sources that Mourinhio could be next in line at Liverpool. I remember John Bull saying something like expect to see Mourinhio back in England and most probably Liverpool after a couple of seasons.

I personally think like you he'd love to manage us, he would always speak about us in Chelsea interviews, the more negative stuff he'd say would be at the expense of Rafa, not the players, not the fans and not the club (on the whole) I think seeing our fans in the CL semi's made him envious of what he had a Chelsea, and I think was in awe of the atmosphere at Anfield.

Make no bones about it, he is a very good manager who also plays a pragmatic way of football, and would get any team results they needed.

But as a man, he is a grade A pri.ck, make no bones about it    And having him at Liverpool would be like chalk and cheese, they simply dont go he lacks the class IMO.

But as you said with the way football has gone recently with these multi-millionaire investors the term "The Liverpool way" is probably being used more as a past term. "The Liverpool way" will probably become very diluted in todays football, and not too many investors and managers alike will bother about that as football develops into a " hobby " for the rich.

So in saying that I wouldnt be surprised to see someone like Mouriniho evenyually become manager at Anfield, stranger things have happened.

bigmick wrote:Well put it this way, if we weren't talking football clubs, but were talking businesses, and the Yanks bought the Liverpool Fc "business", what would happen then? The aim of that "business", the mission statement if you like is to finish top in the Premier League.

Now the yanks can't manage the "business" themselves, and wouldn't want to even if they could. They have a manger, who they are in the proces of failling out with/slightly losing faith in. It just so happens, that the business manager who has been in charge of the team which in two of the last three seasons have achieved the mission statement, that is to say, finished top of the Premier League is available.

I'm telling you this here and now, if it were a coal-mining business, a textile company or a car manufacturer, The Americans would get that manager whatever it cost should their relationship with the existing manager sour beyond redemption. They probably wouldn't even wait that long thinking about it, they'd just get him anyway.

 

The thing is there are only a few members on here that understand that Liverpool fc is now  a " business".

as in any business if the results are not good you get rid of the manager.

If the owners of the business fall out with the Manager then they just get ride of him.

I dont see what is so hard to understand there but you and me seem to be part of a few that do understand.

lakes10 wrote:

bigmick wrote:Well put it this way, if we weren't talking football clubs, but were talking businesses, and the Yanks bought the Liverpool Fc "business", what would happen then? The aim of that "business", the mission statement if you like is to finish top in the Premier League.

Now the yanks can't manage the "business" themselves, and wouldn't want to even if they could. They have a manger, who they are in the proces of failling out with/slightly losing faith in. It just so happens, that the business manager who has been in charge of the team which in two of the last three seasons have achieved the mission statement, that is to say, finished top of the Premier League is available.

I'm telling you this here and now, if it were a coal-mining business, a textile company or a car manufacturer, The Americans would get that manager whatever it cost should their relationship with the existing manager sour beyond redemption. They probably wouldn't even wait that long thinking about it, they'd just get him anyway.

 

The thing is there are only a few members on here that understand that Liverpool fc is now  a " business".

as in any business if the results are not good you get rid of the manager.

If the owners of the business fall out with the Manager then they just get ride of him.

I dont see what is so hard to understand there but you and me seem to be part of a few that do understand.

But isnt that the whole sad part about it Mick that we are talking about a buissiness here and not a football club .

Ok i know people say that football is a buissiness now so as there head man i cant see that Rafa has done any wrong as i said in a post earlier if you think you are under staffed to achieve you targets what do you do? Ask for more staff exacly . So far on a buissness point our manager has worked the production line well with the staff that he has got id say.

It really eats me up wheres the loyalty but as Saint said in his post these money men were not Liverpool supporters it worries him and it scares the out of me.

Put it this way my feeling are if Rafa was to go on strike in our buissiness i would back Rafas union and come out with him