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[Leonmc0708]

Looks well pis.sed off here.

[skatesy]

Looks well pis.sed off here.

Anyone good at photoshop?

That would be a good shot to change that thumbs up to a big finger

[Scottbot]

he is not in any position to dictate to the owners after his poor start to this season.

Not got a clue lad. Not one iota of sense, no grip on reality no nothing.

Poor start to the season ?

Have to second that. It's been a solid start to the season as far as i can see. I can't figure out why you are ranting on as much as you are Peewee? Same goes for Heimdall. I'm not saying Rafa is above criticism, far from it but win our game in hand and we're in 2nd place. That isn't a poor start.

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ITs common for the manager to identify targets with his coaches but a director to persue the player through his club/agent etc.

I thought Foster Gillette was going to do it after Rafa expressed doubts about Parry's ability in the summer?

'Rafa, keep focussing on coaching and training because Rick Parry will be in charge of buying and selling players'.

Sounds more like they were telling Rafa not to pick the targets either from that quote!

Again, not unusual for the director of a company to get his managers to concentrate on certain areas of the business they are best at.

The transfer at issue again here is the MAscherano one, and MSI have decided to try and get a lot more money for him to fulfill their investment.

Not unusual on the continent for coaches, but very unusual in England for MANAGERS. The last manager at Liverpool to have his players picked for him was 50 years ago.

I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

[roberto green]

Its !ng scary at the moment i too noticed rafa wearing a tracksuit for the first time during a premiership match and it doesnt take much to guess why,It's exactly why Rafa doesn't want to go to Madrid with their presedents dictating who they buy and sell.

I just hope we are all overeacting and everything will get sorted but i have a very bad feeling about this,Then again i don't think Hicks and Gillet can afford to lose Rafa because who could they get better and they would face a huge fan backlash.

Very worried indeed.

[JamCar05]

I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

From where have you heard this mate? Not meaning to sound as a smartarse, but isn't this just the usual internet gossip going merry round? I don't think Rafa would openly state which 5 (!) players he was after.

[Leonmc0708]

Who do these di.ck heads think they are ?

[66-1112520797]

Now we really ARE in trouble   Fkn Rick sorry my phone was switched off fkn Parry

He's fcking clueless why he still has a job here only God knows.

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I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

From where have you heard this mate? Not meaning to sound as a smartarse, but isn't this just the usual internet gossip going merry round? I don't think Rafa would openly state which 5 (!) players he was after.

Only read it on NEWSNOW mate, I don't think there was any names mentioned apart from Maschers, but it sounded pretty reasonable to me. We are short of a centre back, if Crouch goes we are a striker down (and I heard last week off a mate that we were after Aguero again).  2 young argies wouldn't surprise me either.

[JamCar05]

I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

From where have you heard this mate? Not meaning to sound as a smartarse, but isn't this just the usual internet gossip going merry round? I don't think Rafa would openly state which 5 (!) players he was after.

Only read it on NEWSNOW mate, I don't think there was any names mentioned apart from Maschers, but it sounded pretty reasonable to me. We are short of a centre back, if Crouch goes we are a striker down (and I heard last week off a mate that we were after Aguero again).  2 young argies wouldn't surprise me either.

Fair enough. It's just that as you state yourself it all sounds very plausible, which to me suggests that it might just be some guy speculating about what we need as you and I do (btw I agree about Mascher, a defender and for that matter another striker, if said striker is of better caliber than what we have... don't know about more young foreign imports though really  ). That's not to say that this fella knows anything about it though, he might just be guessing/assuming like ourselves. But let's just wait and see... it's pretty obvious that Rafa wants SOMETHING to happen, on that we can all agree (I think  )

[roberto green]

I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

From where have you heard this mate? Not meaning to sound as a smartarse, but isn't this just the usual internet gossip going merry round? I don't think Rafa would openly state which 5 (!) players he was after.

Only read it on NEWSNOW mate, I don't think there was any names mentioned apart from Maschers, but it sounded pretty reasonable to me. We are short of a centre back, if Crouch goes we are a striker down (and I heard last week off a mate that we were after Aguero again).  2 young argies wouldn't surprise me either.

Yep and also we will fund new signings by getting rid of CROUCH,CARSON and SISSOKO in January for around 30m.

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Raging Benitez lifts the lid on Liverpool unrest
By STEPHEN DAVIES - More by this author »

Last updated at 22:49pm on 24th November 2007

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez wore a satisfied smile after the 3-0 victory over Newcastle as he set off back to Merseyside having lifted the lid on his difference of opinion with owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

The Spaniard was yesterday told to concentrate on the players he already has after voicing his frustration over the club's transfer policy approaching the January window, but after seeing his players deliver once again, he stated his case publicly.

But Liverpool's emphatic victory, which maintained their unbeaten start to the Premier League season, might not be enough to keep Benitez in his job as he again hit out at American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett over his lack of spending power in the January transfer window.

Less than 24 hours after Hicks had told the Spaniard to "quit talking about new players and coach those he has already",the Spanish manager made no attempt to clear up speculation about his future, pointedly noting the Americans' lack of knowledge about the transfer system in England compared with "draft" used in the USA.

"We want the best for the club, and because we have been here for a long time, we know what passion means in football in Europe," said Benitez, after goals by Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt and Ryan Babel earned Liverpool three points. "We know what the transfer window market means, we know what it means to sign free — and I insist free — players now. I was not asking to spend money.

"They know the manager needs to manage the squad and prepare the squad for this year and for the future. Mr Hicks wants the best for the club, me too,and because I have three years' experience at this club, I know its passion. I know football in Europe — it is not a draft, so you need to sign players, or talk with agents now."

Benitez's comments will be seen by many as a suicide note.Even his attire, a track suit instead of his normal shirt and tie,was a reminder that he is unhappy at being regarded as "just as a coach".

Benitez, who is frustrated at the club failing to sign off a £17 million deal to buy on-loan Javier Mascherano, will be told in three weeks by his American bosses that there will be no money for new players and he must sell to make the Argentine's stay at Anfield permanent.

But he is clearly not in the mood to stay quiet. "I have been here for three years and I like this club," he said.

"I will do my best to win games for my supporters, and I think (Mr Hicks) will try to do the same.

"We had a meeting the day of the Arsenal game and it was really, really positive. After that, something changed. I tried to explain my ideas, but they said: 'Rafa, keep focusing on coaching and training because Rick Parry will be in charge of buying and selling players'. So now I will wait and maybe we will lose some targets, but I will try to do my best.

"From Istanbul to Cardiff or Monaco, we have won a lot of trophies and watched a lot of supporters travel with us, so they know what this club means to me. If we do our job properly, they will understand, and I am sure Mr Hicks wants the best for the club.

"I didn't talk about money. It was the opposite, to bring money back — we have brought £26 million back this year. I am trying to do the best as a manager for my club to bring money back to spend some money on better players, and you can see the value of the squad.

"I think they will understand this. But they say now Rick Parry is in charge of signing and selling players at this moment, so OK, we will see."

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I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

From where have you heard this mate? Not meaning to sound as a smartarse, but isn't this just the usual internet gossip going merry round? I don't think Rafa would openly state which 5 (!) players he was after.

Only read it on NEWSNOW mate, I don't think there was any names mentioned apart from Maschers, but it sounded pretty reasonable to me. We are short of a centre back, if Crouch goes we are a striker down (and I heard last week off a mate that we were after Aguero again).  2 young argies wouldn't surprise me either.

Fair enough. It's just that as you state yourself it all sounds very plausible, which to me suggests that it might just be some guy speculating about what we need as you and I do (btw I agree about Mascher, a defender and for that matter another striker, if said striker is of better caliber than what we have... don't know about more young foreign imports though really  ). That's not to say that this fella knows anything about it though, he might just be guessing/assuming like ourselves. But let's just wait and see... it's pretty obvious that Rafa wants SOMETHING to happen, on that we can all agree (I think  )

Agüero plays for Atlético Madrid and has 8 league goals in 12/13 matches this season for em (joint top scorer). We tracked him a while ago but he went to Atlético. I doubt Atlético would let him go... unless Masch wants to convince him 

side note, Agüero has the same birthday as me 

[JamCar05]

Well he really is pushing them, isn't he? Wonder what players he's talking about on a free? Also wonder about whether the americans (and apparently first and foremost mr. Hicks) will stand for it? Ah, so many questions! I just wish Rafa would not keep going public with it all the time, as I hope he stays on. Fingers crossed the americans don't explode when they hear these next remarks.

[roberto green]

Well he really is pushing them, isn't he? Wonder what players he's talking about on a free? Also wonder about whether the americans (and apparently first and foremost mr. Hicks) will stand for it? Ah, so many questions! I just wish Rafa would not keep going public with it all the time, as I hope he stays on. Fingers crossed the americans don't explode when they hear these next remarks.

If Rafa's latest remarks are anything to go by he is gone and this will cause us major turmoil just as were coming good