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by **Emerald Red** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
babu wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:F*cking Hell Fire. So now we're siding with a "Lanky streak of p*ss" who's "Not good enough for this club" over our manager?

You lot, sometimes, deserve a good beating.

Your weird.

Where has anyone stuck up for Crouch over the manager ?

And whats Crouch done for you to slag him off ?

I think something has obviously gone on, for Torres to be out and Crouch still not get a look in shows clearly that he is out of favour.

I think Lando's posts are now becoming desperate in all honesty.

He used to talk a bit of sense, but now jeeezuzz. Maybe when Alonso comes back he'll pick up his posting form.

none of my business, but the way i read Lando's post is this:

'the same (or close enough) people who slagged crouchie off when he came to liverpool as being 'a lanky streak of ' and 'not good enough for the club' are now siding with him over the manager'

Not saying i agree with that, but that's how i read Lando's post.

So why he is calling him a lanky streak of p!ss and that ?

Does he have to post OTT comments for no reason to just provoke a reaction ?

His remark about him being "a lanky streak of p*ss" is in parenthesis. I think the fella is remarking on comments made about Crouch by some well before I joined this forum. Apologies if I'm wrong. Don't really mean to get involved if this is an argument caused by Lando's comment, but I do detect and have already picked up that Lando's tone in posts is mostly just out of the satirical nature of how he talks or is just being blunt about the truth of things or how people's minds have changed. It's a good thing, I suppose. And I'd agree with what he's trying to say in this instance.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:should be less then 90

exactly so how does ivor_the_injun's stats that he started 3 out of 8 games make any sense?

He's played less than 90 minutes in the league. Ivor's stats include Champions League and Carling Cup starts.

oh ok. thanks =)
so it seems rafa chooses to play him more in cups than the league. does this imply that he doesnt feel crouch is equipped to deal with the oppo as well as kuyt, voronin or torres?
if we do sell crouch btw, we dont need another stricker when we have dozens in the reserves and a ryan babel in our ranks.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:38 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:F*cking Hell Fire. So now we're siding with a "Lanky streak of p*ss" who's "Not good enough for this club" over our manager?

You lot, sometimes, deserve a good beating.

Your weird.

Where has anyone stuck up for Crouch over the manager ?

And whats Crouch done for you to slag him off ?

I think something has obviously gone on, for Torres to be out and Crouch still not get a look in shows clearly that he is out of favour.

I think you might be right, especcially when you think that Rafa "persisted" with the big man when he couldnt hit a barn door when he first came in.

Well, I detect some mistreatment of the big fella at the club. It MAY or may NOT be TRUE, just to make that clear to some who may want to pick apart my post out of sheer lack of fact, but that is how it looks from my outside perspective looking at things, which I have already mentioned a post or two before this one on this thread, only to be slated as having a "deluded" opinion. Harsh.

When Cisse fell out of favor with Rafa, we seen the same thing happen. Same with Bellamy. Everyone knew what was going on and what was going to happen. Turned out both players were shipped out at the first chance Rafa got. Maybe it's down to something Crouch has said that has upset the applecart and Rafa? Who knows. For sure something is not right here, and it's clear that Crouch is not in favor of the man in charge.

Either way, why has a Bosman came in and suddenly getting a lot more match time than a man who scored most of our goals last season, and in important Champions League games also? We're already in October, so no one can say it's still early to make that assertion yet. I'm just thinking, if he wasn't going to be in Rafa's plan in the summer, then why keep him? Why keep him in limbo or just have him knocking about just as an option in case someone else gets injured or otherwise? I think he's proven enough to at least get a start over Voronin, who should be at least earning his place over Crouches? I don't know.If neither of this is the case, then maybe it is perhaps the case that something was said after the season was already started? But looking back in pre-season, Crouch hardly got a kick there either and just didn't look himself then.

by **ConnO'var** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:45 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:F*cking Hell Fire. So now we're siding with a "Lanky streak of p*ss" who's "Not good enough for this club" over our manager?

You lot, sometimes, deserve a good beating.

Your weird.

Where has anyone stuck up for Crouch over the manager ?

And whats Crouch done for you to slag him off ?

I think something has obviously gone on, for Torres to be out and Crouch still not get a look in shows clearly that he is out of favour.

I think you might be right, especcially when you think that Rafa "persisted" with the big man when he couldnt hit a barn door when he first came in.

Well, I detect some mistreatment of the big fella at the club. It MAY or may NOT be TRUE, just to make that clear to some who may want to pick apart my post out of sheer lack of fact, but that is how it looks from my outside perspective looking at things, which I have already mentioned a post or two before this one on this thread, only to be slated as having a "deluded" opinion. Harsh.

When Cisse fell out of favor with Rafa, we seen the same thing happen. Same with Bellamy. Everyone knew what was going on and what was going to happen. Turned out both players were shipped out at the first chance Rafa got. Maybe it's down to something Crouch has said that has upset the applecart and Rafa? Who knows. For sure something is not right here, and it's clear that Crouch is not in favor of the man in charge.

Either way, why has a Bosman came in and suddenly getting a lot more match time than a man who scored most of our goals last season, and in important Champions League games also? We're already in October, so no one can say it's still early to make that assertion yet. I'm just thinking, if he wasn't going to be in Rafa's plan in the summer, then why keep him? Why keep him in limbo or just have him knocking about just as an option in case someone else gets injured or otherwise? I think he's proven enough to at least get a start over Voronin, who should be at least earning his place over Crouches? I don't know.If neither of this is the case, then maybe it is perhaps the case that something was said after the season was already started? But looking back in pre-season, Crouch hardly got a kick there either and just didn't look himself then.

Good post. Agree with most of that.

Why indeed IS a Bosman getting more free time than Crouch?

Something is definitely amiss with Peter and my guess would be that something was said to pi$$ Rafa off.

Whatever it is, I think he's days are numbered.

by **heimdall** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:05 pm

Well in my opinion the reason Crouch isn't playing more is because he is, amazing and depressing as this may be, by far our worst striker. he has been awful every time he has played this season. I find it funny how everyone thinks Rafa will play babel as a striker. Just because its blindingly obvious to everyone else, in the same way as rotation, doesn't mean that the mighty Rafa sees it that way. Rafa is on a much higher tactical plane to us mere fans and in Rafa's world it is perfectly ok to play players completely out of position to the point that they loose form. On a bright note there are loads of good strikers coming up through the ranks so i think we should play them, it's time to get the next Fowler/Owen now.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:08 pm

Hope rafa replaces crouch (if he does go)...with a better striker...Someone who is capable of scoring goals and is suitable in playing in this league (fast, got a good 1st touch, good header of the ball.....etc)

If he buys another striker who runs around a lot without offering any goal threat (ie...voronin & kuyt)....i am gonna :angry:

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:19 pm

Crouch's stats in prem this season :-

Fouls 4
Tackles 1
Penalty saves 0
Assists 0
Attempts created 1
Won contest 0
Total passes 40
Red Card 0
Saves 0
Accurate Passes 26
Clean Sheet 2
Won Tackles 1
Scoring attempts 3
Good high claims 0
On target attempts 1
Goals 0
Yellow Card 0
Minutes played 86
Total contest 0
Clearance 3

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:17 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:F*cking Hell Fire. So now we're siding with a "Lanky streak of p*ss" who's "Not good enough for this club" over our manager?

You lot, sometimes, deserve a good beating.

Your weird.

Where has anyone stuck up for Crouch over the manager ?

And whats Crouch done for you to slag him off ?

I think something has obviously gone on, for Torres to be out and Crouch still not get a look in shows clearly that he is out of favour.

I didn't think that my post was all that hard to fathom.

The quotes were the recurrent sh*te posted by the same people who are now siding with Peter over the manager, not myself.

It was another indicator of the fickle, backward mentality prevailent on this board.

Do we all understand now, or shall I get a pre-school teacher in to really simplify things for you?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:18 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:F*cking Hell Fire. So now we're siding with a "Lanky streak of p*ss" who's "Not good enough for this club" over our manager?

You lot, sometimes, deserve a good beating.

Your weird.

Where has anyone stuck up for Crouch over the manager ?

And whats Crouch done for you to slag him off ?

I think something has obviously gone on, for Torres to be out and Crouch still not get a look in shows clearly that he is out of favour.

I think Lando's posts are now becoming desperate in all honesty.

He used to talk a bit of sense, but now jeeezuzz. Maybe when Alonso comes back he'll pick up his posting form.

I found this, and thought of you.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:20 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
babu wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:F*cking Hell Fire. So now we're siding with a "Lanky streak of p*ss" who's "Not good enough for this club" over our manager?

You lot, sometimes, deserve a good beating.

Your weird.

Where has anyone stuck up for Crouch over the manager ?

And whats Crouch done for you to slag him off ?

I think something has obviously gone on, for Torres to be out and Crouch still not get a look in shows clearly that he is out of favour.

I think Lando's posts are now becoming desperate in all honesty.

He used to talk a bit of sense, but now jeeezuzz. Maybe when Alonso comes back he'll pick up his posting form.

none of my business, but the way i read Lando's post is this:

'the same (or close enough) people who slagged crouchie off when he came to liverpool as being 'a lanky streak of ' and 'not good enough for the club' are now siding with him over the manager'

Not saying i agree with that, but that's how i read Lando's post.

So why he is calling him a lanky streak of p!ss and that ?

Does he have to post OTT comments for no reason to just provoke a reaction ?

His remark about him being "a lanky streak of p*ss" is in parenthesis. I think the fella is remarking on comments made about Crouch by some well before I joined this forum. Apologies if I'm wrong. Don't really mean to get involved if this is an argument caused by Lando's comment, but I do detect and have already picked up that Lando's tone in posts is mostly just out of the satirical nature of how he talks or is just being blunt about the truth of things or how people's minds have changed. It's a good thing, I suppose. And I'd agree with what he's trying to say in this instance.

You're obviously part of the privileged minority on here who actually has a brain.

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:35 pm

I just thought he was an unused sub...no where did I see a board held up to say "He's not coming on because I am going to sell him in January"

Don't be surprised if Crouch plays tomorrow,if he doesn't then it just means I won't score maximum points on fantasy rafa

by **supersub** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:35 pm

Didn't vote ...futile

by **burjennio** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:51 pm

Tho I wouldnt be to suprised if he did go in January, cryin to the tabloids every week about not startin seems to really grind Rafa's gears (that 1s for Lando). However he did drop one of the funniest lines Ive heard in ages the other week, In the Q&A section of Zoo

Zoo What would you be if you wern't a footballer?

Crouchie a virgin!!!!!!! :laugh:

At least the big fella is keepin a sense of humour

by **Ace Ventura** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:31 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:You're obviously part of the privileged minority on here who actually has a brain.

I was going to apologise as i obviously didnt read or understand your post at the time i had replied, but yet again instead of just explaing you resort to being petty with snide comments.
Thinking about it i probably called it wrong at the time as its becoming the norm to read posts from you that are...Rafa is god and anyone who has any worries about what they are seeing this season and comments on it...they are idiots and havent got a clue..they havent got FA coaching badges blah blah blah.
Well Paul Jewell in a recent article was saying that coaching badges mean feck all...anyone can get them if they took them, a formality. All the managers in the premiership will have them and loads will not share the same opinion with Rafa regarding playing style, players fitness etc. Rafa can be wrong at times.

There is nothing wrong with you being behind Rafa and his methods, but the fact that you cant allow someone else to disagree without the needs to resort to all the OTT name calling is a bit daft.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:37 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:You're obviously part of the privileged minority on here who actually has a brain.

I was going to apologise as i obviously didnt read or understand your post at the time i had replied, but yet again instead of just explaing you resort to being petty with snide comments.
Thinking about it i probably called it wrong at the time as its becoming the norm to read posts from you that are...Rafa is god and anyone who has any worries about what they are seeing this season and comments on it...they are idiots and havent got a clue..they havent got FA coaching badges blah blah blah.
Well Paul Jewell in a recent article was saying that coaching badges mean feck all...anyone can get them if they took them, a formality. All the managers in the premiership will have them and loads will not share the same opinion with Rafa regarding playing style, players fitness etc. Rafa can be wrong at times.

There is nothing wrong with you being behind Rafa and his methods, but the fact that you cant allow someone else to disagree without the needs to resort to all the OTT name calling is a bit daft.

Ace,

Do me a big favour and just read the vast amount of topics over the past few months, and just understand that I am sick and tired of explaining things with solid fact, only to have imbeciles totally ignore the reality in favour of their fantasy.

Since the Derby win, I have posted facts, figures, lists, reports, team line-ups, stats and everything else you could think of which disproves the "theories" of the Rafa detractors, and underlines the reasons I hold the opinions I do.

This situation all comes back to when Peewee had a rant a few months back, where he insisted, with all the credibility of Dr Crippin's defence lawyer, that Sabre had been instrumental in his removal as a mod. The facts were absolutely different to this fantasy, but he refused to accept it.

I took exception to his moaning, and told him so. (Many people were happy about this, I might add.) Thus began this feud.

Fast forward to the "Alonso Vs Mascherano" debate, and the gulf widened. My facts were met with ignorant disdain, not just from Peewee, but also from some hangers on who grabbed their opportunity to side against me. (As I had insulted them some time in the past. Diddums.)

Well I got tired, didn't I? Tired of explaining things so simply that even a comatose badger would understand. But no - these people were insistant that Mascher was the man in midfield, and Alonso was like a bog-eyed cousin.

Well they were wrong, weren't they? Alonso is so obviously the missing link in this team, and when he and Agger come back, I expect Mascher or Sissoko will be the target for the "Fickle Brigade." No retractions or apologies, though, to us who stay impartial to the euphoria of having a new player, and actually base our opinions on time-tested facts.

Going forwards again, we come to the rotation debate.

Many people seem to think I would bum Rafa given half a chance, and that the promise of a 3-some with him and Alonso is some kind of lifetime goal.
The fact is, however, that I have seen what the man has achieved in the time he's been here, and what he's achieved in his career previous to that, and I realise that we have, in my honest opinion, the best tactician in the World at this club.
He's outwitted the World's "leading lights" with inferior squads since he arrived here.
I realise he's not infallible - no-one is. I do scratch my head at his lineups, and his tactical substitutions, positions, etc.

But I am bashful enough to understand that Rafael Benitez knows more about this than I do. And all of you. Every last one of you.

Because he's with the team day in, day out. He's the one studying every minute detail of every little thing that occurs in every match and every training session.

So - all I REALLY expect from Liverpool fans, is a bit of trust and respect towards the best manager we've had (or are likely to have) for decades. He's better than Dalglish - his poor performances at Newcastle are proof of that.

All I really want, is for people to stop pulling him and Alonso down like they're sh*t on their shoes at every opportunity. I get annoyed when people see a player have a good game, then proclaim them to be the best in the World. It winds me up when a player of the calibre of Alonso has a quiet game, and gets abuse you wouldn't dish out to a dog, whilst our periodically heartless Captain p*sses all over our dreams week-in, week-out for months without anywhere near as much animosity.

And most of all, it bugs the cr*p out of me when people don't listen. They say something which is then disproved, but they carry on yapping as though they haven't been placed on their literary a*se. They come up with utter cack to try and re-validate their points, or try to belittle you in an attempt to save some kind of face.

So yes, Ace - back to the favour. You do this for me, and maybe, just MAYBE, you'll understand why I don't bother explaining things anymore.

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