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by **LFC_fan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:36 pm

drummerphil wrote:
Sabre wrote:I trust Peter Crouch. So did I with Morientes, but in this case, I don't expect immediate results. And it's good the good old Drummerphil gives stick to him, as just when he did that with Morientes 3 weeks ago, he started scoring!

I think this guy is the kind of striker that reachs his best at 27. We have two internationals (France, Spain) and those should have the responsability to score. Crouch must learn, and he's doing that, I wouldn't want us to form hism as a good striker and some other team get the results. We must keep Crouch and we won't regret it.

Go Liverpool! good winning streak!

lol........i still stand by criticism of Nando actually.I never said he wouldnt score or wasnt / is a decent player .The only criticism i have of him is unless he is 12 yards or less in front of goal he is ineffective as time and time again his lack of pace gets him in trouble.I am chuffed he is scoring and you dont become a bad player overnight but his lack of pace is frightening in the premiership.

Nando is more of the alan shearer type rather than the michael owen type. He makes use of his excellent footballing brain and relies on his reading of the game. few strikers in the premiership have a better understanding of the game than nando. While that lack of pace may expose him on some occasions, pace is more essential to a defender than a striker, especially one who doesnt rely on pace in the first place.

Another advantage is that since he already doesnt rely on pace in the first place, he won't suffer as much from age as other strikers who do. A 30 year old nando will be very much more effective than a 30 yaer old cisse. Both are different type of strikers (as of crouch) and both play to their strengths. Same with Sami, he will still be as sharp at 35 or 36 cos he doesnt have pace to lose in the first place, as long as he keeps fit and retains his excellent reading of the game, he will be around for a few more years no doubt. Another good example is Sherringham. Moro falls into this catagory no doubt.

by **LFC_fan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:40 pm

i'll like to add that is why Rafa buys different types of players for the team. Cisse was already here when he arrived while moro and crouch were his buys. Its absurd to suggest Rafa doesnt know what type of player nando is when he bought him. He'll be the first to know that Nando is lacking in the pace department but he also realizes that he needs different types of strikers for different games / occasions.

That is why our 3 main strikers offer such distinct different things. If Rafa were into pacy strikers in the first place, he wouldnt have spent 13.5mil on crouch and nando.

by **drummerphil** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:45 pm

I agree on the Sheringham comparison.....Let me put this to bed......I think he is a decent player always have,but in the times Rafa has played him with only 1 up it dosnt work and he suffers from this (lack of pace).....however with a decent striking partner i,m sure he will do well.

by **Fuios** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:46 pm

7 million pounds for 17 goaless games. even with this amazing record i think crouch is quite a good player. he is always trying and does definitley add confusion in the opposition defence, i would hate to be a defender against him. however i don't think people should be willing him to score, he is under so much pressure now because even the team are passing to him more, the most important thing is liverpool win and if crouch don't score who cares. his goal will come eventually come maybe not next week or next season but it will come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **LFC_fan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:51 pm

drummerphil wrote:I agree on the Sheringham comparison.....Let me put this to bed......I think he is a decent player always have,but in the times Rafa has played him with only 1 up it dosnt work and he suffers from this (lack of pace).....however with a decent striking partner i,m sure he will do well.

yup, whether a team wins or not depends on alot of factors.

You can have all the right tatics and formation but ur strikers are firing blanks.

When ur strikers are on form, ur tatics are all wrong and the supply is totally cut off.

When ur strilkers are on form and u got ur tatics right, ur midfielders decide to pass the ball like a ten year old.

when... well, i think u get the point...

Sometimes a player is made to look bad, not cos of his own fault but cos of other factors. It is also why its so hard to win every single game u play cos every new game brings a different opponent with different players and play differently.
There is no template in terms of players, tatics or formation, and that is why we have 3 different types of strikers in the squad as well as varying types of players in other departments. When u have more pieces of the jigsaw, its easier to find a matching piece.

by **drummerphil** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:51 pm

To be honest with you Fuios yesterday he actually won a bit of ball in the air but to be honest overall his heading is poor considering his height.

by **Sabre** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:01 pm

My regret is that Crouch doesn't have the same build as John Carew.

That's a good example, John Carew. It's good example because he was awful in his first mid season in Spain, when he arrived to substitute Piojo Lopez or one of those, he didn't score, and he was criticised a lot . Same applies with Kluivert in Barcelona, who scored few goals, Nihat in Real Sociedad, who some bast*ards of my team said they'd rather put a youngster upfront, and then he exploded with 18 goals in his second season, Kodro, Kovacevic, and many players that had slow starts.

The shadow of Owen is large, I guess. Owen or Rooney are rare cases. Exceptional players, that besides started to be good strikers very young, and no matter what club do they reach, they'll start scoring at once. But that's "rara avis", hard to see.

by **Owzat** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:29 pm

drummerphil wrote:To be honest with you Fuios yesterday he actually won a bit of ball in the air but to be honest overall his heading is poor considering his height.

If he could direct his headers better he'd have opened his account by now. If he had some pace and hadn't just hit and hoped he'd have scored from the advantage allowed by the ref.

by **JC_81** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:53 pm

Can't believe the amount of people sticking the boot into Crouch on here. Ok the guy is yet to score but his contribution to the team cannot be questioned. We are winning games and he is playing well, I guess some people are never happy.

We paid too much for him but that's not his fault. I still think he will score a lot of goals for us, he just needs to get his first one under his belt and he'll be off and running. How long did it take Andy Cole to score his first for the scum? How many did Bergkamp score in his first half season with Arsenal? And look what happened there. Even look at Crouch last season, most of his goals came after Christmas, I still hope he can do the same for us.

To say strikers are judged solely on goals scored is a very narrow-minded way to look at things in my opinion. You have to look at the bigger picture and his contribution to the team. Someone drew a comparison between Crouch and Heskey - team mates appreciate their contribution but they just don't score. Crouch's all-round game is 10 times better than Heskey's, simple as that. And when he does start to score some people will be eating their words on here.

by **Fuios** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:54 pm

someone put crouch on ebay

by **Owzat** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:59 pm

john craig wrote:Can't believe the amount of people sticking the boot into Crouch on here. Ok the guy is yet to score but his contribution to the team cannot be questioned. We are winning games and he is playing well, I guess some people are never happy.

We paid too much for him but that's not his fault. I still think he will score a lot of goals for us, he just needs to get his first one under his belt and he'll be off and running. How long did it take Andy Cole to score his first for the scum? How many did Bergkamp score in his first half season with Arsenal? And look what happened there. Even look at Crouch last season, most of his goals came after Christmas, I still hope he can do the same for us.

To say strikers are judged solely on goals scored is a very narrow-minded way to look at things in my opinion. You have to look at the bigger picture and his contribution to the team. Someone drew a comparison between Crouch and Heskey - team mates appreciate their contribution but they just don't score. Crouch's all-round game is 10 times better than Heskey's, simple as that. And when he does start to score some people will be eating their words on here.

His contribution can be questioned, why do so many claim it can't?

Yes the price wasn't his fault but what he does on the pitch IS. He made Benitez think he's worth £7m when Owen apparently wasn't worth £17m but the best way to prove you are worth a fee is to score goals and ACTUALLY win games for Liverpool not by association but by gameplay

As Crouch is occupying a striker slot because he is not good enough to play elsewhere he has to return some goals or ACTUAL assists (not he touched the ball fifty seconds previously) He is another Heskey but arguably worse, "his all round contributions are ten times better" - LMFAO. I do love it when people use mickey mouse unprovable statistics to back up their opinion

by **Owzat** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:00 pm

Oh and by the way, how stupid is saying there is more to being a striker than scoring goals and then saying he will prove people wrong when he starts scoring goals?!?!?!?!?!? CONTRADICTION

by **Sabre** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:00 pm

someone put crouch on ebay

Our first striker Kovacevic is injured. I'd happily pick Crouch on loan and pay half his wages to substitute him. I see him the same kind of player, he reminds me a lot to Darko Kovacevic on the first years. Deal? He'd get minutes, We'd get the refference upfront we need. We'd return a proper striker.

Sabre

by **JC_81** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:39 pm

Owzat wrote:Oh and by the way, how stupid is saying there is more to being a striker than scoring goals and then saying he will prove people wrong when he starts scoring goals?!?!?!?!?!? CONTRADICTION

How is it a contradiction Einstein? There is more to being a striker than scoring goals but I do still think he will score a lot of goals for us when he gets going. :censored:

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You suggest that he occupies a striker's spot because he is not good enough to play anywhere else?? LMFAO

Yeah I guess strikers only end up being strikers because they aren't good enough to play elsewhere, what a load of bollox. That must be one of those mickey-mouse unproveable statistics you were talking about!

And I also said that Crouch's all-round game was 10 times better than Heskey's, NOT his contribution, and that's my opinion not a fact. Heskey did contribute a lot in terms of effort and making a nuisance of himself to defenders, he also had a lot of pace which scared defenders, but he had 4 seasons to prove himself and didn't. Crouch has had 17 games and you are writing him off, you obviously know fu.ck all about the game so I suggest you climb back under the rock you came out from.

by **66-1120597113** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:56 pm

john craig wrote:
Owzat wrote:Oh and by the way, how stupid is saying there is more to being a striker than scoring goals and then saying he will prove people wrong when he starts scoring goals?!?!?!?!?!? CONTRADICTION

How is it a contradiction Einstein? There is more to being a striker than scoring goals but I do still think he will score a lot of goals for us when he gets going. .

You suggest that he occupies a striker's spot because he is not good enough to play anywhere else?? LMFAO

Yeah I guess strikers only end up being strikers because they aren't good enough to play elsewhere, what a load of bollox. That must be one of those mickey-mouse unproveable statistics you were talking about!

And I also said that Crouch's all-round game was 10 times better than Heskey's, NOT his contribution, and that's my opinion not a fact. Heskey did contribute a lot in terms of effort and making a nuisance of himself to defenders, he also had a lot of pace which scared defenders, but he had 4 seasons to prove himself and didn't. Crouch has had 17 games and you are writing him off, you obviously know fu.ck all about the game so I suggest you climb back under the rock you came out from.

Totally agree with you here John!
How some people can right players off so easy is beyond me.
Time and time again we've seen players all around the world take time to settle maybe a full season to get settled and find their form in a new team!
Some people obviously dont watch much football if any and write posts based on ar.sehole commentators and so called pundits and the odd flick through a shi.tty tabloid on a monday morning!

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