Job too big for Rodgers?

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Is the job too big for Rodgers and last season was a flash in the pan down to Suarez carrying us?

Yes
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No
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Not sure
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Total votes : 78

Postby RedAnt » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:22 pm

Lakes:

1) I'm not sure that's a fair statement. Rodgers has a great job in a top league and we've seen what he can do "with the right tools" and we've seen what he can't do, quite often, with or without the right tools. I didn't name Klopp specifically, but counting him out because he did well but only in Germany seems shallow. Id not bet against Dortmund vs Swansea where we brought BR from.
2) Again you're speculating, and since you are then I personally think you're wrong. Kenny won us a trophy for one thing. And I reckon his name carries more weight than Brendan's.
3) Brendan has had three years and a lot of good players at his disposal. He's failed consistently on all fronts after the S&S season.
4) know why I like Klopp? Because he likes good music. That's all. :D Ancelotti would do.
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Postby redshade » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:51 pm

I like Klopps specs and cap.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:18 pm

Rodgers sets his sights too low in the transfer market, I have backed him in the past (and probably still do) but even I can't fail to notice that particular elephant in the room, now he has total autonomy over who comes in and who goes out sticking with him for any length of time will probably mean us looking like a hybrid of Swansea and Southampton somewhere down the line.
Let's not forget even when Southampton had the likes of Lallana, Lovren, Clyne, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Chambers etc they still finished below us. Why we gutted our squad to fill it with players from a team that finished below us God only knows.
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Postby redshade » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:58 pm

Lol next season, if his still here, he will be fishing from westHam or Leicester.
I don't understand his love affair with Southampton and Swansea.
I don't rate anyone his bought from those two clubs, waste of money if you ask me.
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Postby eds » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:20 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:18 pm wrote:Rodgers sets his sights too low in the transfer market, I have backed him in the past (and probably still do) but even I can't fail to notice that particular elephant in the room, now he has total autonomy over who comes in and who goes out sticking with him for any length of time will probably mean us looking like a hybrid of Swansea and Southampton somewhere down the line.
Let's not forget even when Southampton had the likes of Lallana, Lovren, Clyne, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Chambers etc they still finished below us. Why we gutted our squad to fill it with players from a team that finished below us God only knows.


You are kind of right there Yakka.

It's not that he sets his sights to low, it's the mere fact that no quality player wants to come here forcing him to over pay for average players and younger "prospects". Which now occupy the entire squad.

He is essentially a mid-table plodder than has been given a larger budget than most mid-table managers, allowing him to simply build another Swansea, here at Liverpool. The only difference is that this Swansea side he has built here is more expensive. Moyes tried to do the same thing at Manure but was quickly decapitated once the hierarchy realised their grave mistake and he was building just another Everton with their millions. 

Out of the 30 or 35 players Bodge has brought in you can make the case that only Sturridge and Coutinho have been good enough. That's a shocking ratio but it all boils to the fact that he and the recruiting staff at our club have been underwhelming from the start. That's why Suarez and Sterling didn't bat an eyelid when they left and the reason why inevitably Coutinho will move on.

The worst thing is the lasting impact he and Ayre have left with their incompetence and arrogance. Rodgers pretty little sound bites don't mean anything when it comes to players choosing Liverpool as their next playing destination. It all boils down to two things; money and ambition. As an ambition-less club Rodgers can talk about "character" till the cows come home but it won't convince players to come here. We have had a bit of money to throw around but the problem is that we have spent it on mis-fits like Balotelli, who sadly are the next best thing. On the other side of the coin we have lost out on a raft of players (that could have potentially improved us) over the years and the one that hurts the most is Alexis Sanchez. Purely because of the circumstances and the fact that would have started propelling us up again. A lot of you have swallowed the "London lifestyle" nonsense but what it grimly shines a light on is this club and how out of his depth Rodgers has been all along.
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Postby johnbarnes » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:53 am

eds » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:20 am wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:18 pm wrote:Rodgers sets his sights too low in the transfer market, I have backed him in the past (and probably still do) but even I can't fail to notice that particular elephant in the room, now he has total autonomy over who comes in and who goes out sticking with him for any length of time will probably mean us looking like a hybrid of Swansea and Southampton somewhere down the line.
Let's not forget even when Southampton had the likes of Lallana, Lovren, Clyne, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Chambers etc they still finished below us. Why we gutted our squad to fill it with players from a team that finished below us God only knows.


You are kind of right there Yakka.

It's not that he sets his sights to low, it's the mere fact that no quality player wants to come here forcing him to over pay for average players and younger "prospects". Which now occupy the entire squad.

He is essentially a mid-table plodder than has been given a larger budget than most mid-table managers, allowing him to simply build another Swansea, here at Liverpool. The only difference is that this Swansea side he has built here is more expensive. Moyes tried to do the same thing at Manure but was quickly decapitated once the hierarchy realised their grave mistake and he was building just another Everton with their millions. 

Out of the 30 or 35 players Bodge has brought in you can make the case that only Sturridge and Coutinho have been good enough. That's a shocking ratio but it all boils to the fact that he and the recruiting staff at our club have been underwhelming from the start. That's why Suarez and Sterling didn't bat an eyelid when they left and the reason why inevitably Coutinho will move on.

The worst thing is the lasting impact he and Ayre have left with their incompetence and arrogance. Rodgers pretty little sound bites don't mean anything when it comes to players choosing Liverpool as their next playing destination. It all boils down to two things; money and ambition. As an ambition-less club Rodgers can talk about "character" till the cows come home but it won't convince players to come here. We have had a bit of money to throw around but the problem is that we have spent it on mis-fits like Balotelli, who sadly are the next best thing. On the other side of the coin we have lost out on a raft of players (that could have potentially improved us) over the years and the one that hurts the most is Alexis Sanchez. Purely because of the circumstances and the fact that would have started propelling us up again. A lot of you have swallowed the "London lifestyle" nonsense but what it grimly shines a light on is this club and how out of his depth Rodgers has been all along.


^^^^And yet some fans seem to be completely content with this^^^^
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:31 am

eds » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:20 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:18 pm wrote:Rodgers sets his sights too low in the transfer market, I have backed him in the past (and probably still do) but even I can't fail to notice that particular elephant in the room, now he has total autonomy over who comes in and who goes out sticking with him for any length of time will probably mean us looking like a hybrid of Swansea and Southampton somewhere down the line.
Let's not forget even when Southampton had the likes of Lallana, Lovren, Clyne, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Chambers etc they still finished below us. Why we gutted our squad to fill it with players from a team that finished below us God only knows.


You are kind of right there Yakka.

It's not that he sets his sights to low, it's the mere fact that no quality player wants to come here forcing him to over pay for average players and younger "prospects". Which now occupy the entire squad.

He is essentially a mid-table plodder than has been given a larger budget than most mid-table managers, allowing him to simply build another Swansea, here at Liverpool. The only difference is that this Swansea side he has built here is more expensive. Moyes tried to do the same thing at Manure but was quickly decapitated once the hierarchy realised their grave mistake and he was building just another Everton with their millions. 

Out of the 30 or 35 players Bodge has brought in you can make the case that only Sturridge and Coutinho have been good enough. That's a shocking ratio but it all boils to the fact that he and the recruiting staff at our club have been underwhelming from the start. That's why Suarez and Sterling didn't bat an eyelid when they left and the reason why inevitably Coutinho will move on.

The worst thing is the lasting impact he and Ayre have left with their incompetence and arrogance. Rodgers pretty little sound bites don't mean anything when it comes to players choosing Liverpool as their next playing destination. It all boils down to two things; money and ambition. As an ambition-less club Rodgers can talk about "character" till the cows come home but it won't convince players to come here. We have had a bit of money to throw around but the problem is that we have spent it on mis-fits like Balotelli, who sadly are the next best thing. On the other side of the coin we have lost out on a raft of players (that could have potentially improved us) over the years and the one that hurts the most is Alexis Sanchez. Purely because of the circumstances and the fact that would have started propelling us up again. A lot of you have swallowed the "London lifestyle" nonsense but what it grimly shines a light on is this club and how out of his depth Rodgers has been all along.


There's probably a lot of truth in what you say, I remember one or two ex-pro's couldn't believe we missed out on Sanchez given how strong our negotiating position was at the time, let's not forget that Suarez had just signed a new £200,000 a week contract a few months before so it's not as if we had a clock running down on us like with Owen or Sterling.
We should have told Suarez yes we are prepared to let you go but only when we have a suitable replacement, if Sanchez puts pen to paper you can go.
We should have then sat back and let Barcelona and the players agents sort it all out between themselves.
Suarez would have been pi[ss]ed off if he missed his move but I think deep down he would have understood the clubs position, especially if we would have made it clear to him that we were genuinely prepared to let him go and it wasn't a stalling tactic.
We had just missed out on the title by a whisker and looked one of the most exciting sides in Europe (not to mention we had just qualified for the CL too) so I think Suarez might have knuckled down again, he was on £200,000 as well so staying wouldn't have been that bad a prospect.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:48 pm

Anyone catch the post-match interview after today's dismal draw with the mighty Sion?

BR is now talking about "rebuilding" ...rebuilding what exactly??

He's spent 100s of millions, thrown his staff under the bus and loaned out 50 mill worth of players HE signed. Yet now he's rebuilding??

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Postby RedAnt » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:50 pm

7_Kewell » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:48 pm wrote:Anyone catch the post-match interview after today's dismal draw with the mighty Sion?

BR is now talking about "rebuilding" ...rebuilding what exactly??

He's spent 100s of millions, thrown his staff under the bus and loaned out 50 mill worth of players HE signed. Yet now he's rebuilding??

Jesus wept


Maybe he's rebuilding his house? Or maybe it's the stadium? He's rarely speaking about what anyone else is speaking about.
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Postby Kopite-Jud » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:13 am

Rebulding his new dentures?

Rebuilding his marriage with his old wife?

God knows what he's rebulding. But its not LFC

Get this man out NOW, its seriously stressing me out.

ALOT

Brendan out today and Gary Mac caretaker for the derby. 

That'll do me.
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Postby Redtribe » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:31 am

Im happy enough to admit i was not against Rogers coming here in the first place. For one he had a clear method of playing and it was attacking football which was attractive to watch.
This leads me to my biggest problem at the moment, he has lost his methods (whether they would ever have been enough to get us to the top of tree is debatable) and the team, squad and method of play has been in a state of flux for over a season.
I could afford more time to someone who was dedicated to his beliefs and worked tirelessly to achieve it to perfection. The best example was the 90's AC Milan side who were committed to being religiously structured in defence and slowly broke teams down! They stuck to there guns and it let them dominate domestic and european football!

The reason Arsenal are consistently in the top four is Wengers belief in the system and method he adopts and i would say our squad is really not that different to theirs!

So on reflection, it really is time for Rogers to either stick to his methods and believe in his passing and attacking game or to move on!
I prefer to give support and time to whoever the club has brought in, but if the team is still looking lost come Christmas i really don't think anyone including Brendon could argue the fact that it's in everyone's best interest to part ways.

FWIW my preferred choice would be Rafa or Anchelloti - Klopp like some has said has only done it at one club and i think the gamble is not the right choice at the moment!
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Postby red till i die!! » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:40 am

Its just his usual bullshyte and he only said that shyte because he was asked at a press conference about comments he made saying judge him after 3 years. He said
"I think in the first couple of years we did well and over the course of the last 12 months or so we've had to manage change and disruption within our squad.
 

Then he was asked whether he thought he still retains the backing of the supporters he said
"Whenever you win games, that's the key, you have the support.
"When you lose there's obviously disappointment."


The total w@nker thinks we are as fickle as he is  :nod
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Postby red till i die!! » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:46 am

Redtribe » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:31 am wrote:Im happy enough to admit i was not against Rogers coming here in the first place. For one he had a clear method of playing and it was attacking football which was attractive to watch.
This leads me to my biggest problem at the moment, he has lost his methods (whether they would ever have been enough to get us to the top of tree is debatable) and the team, squad and method of play has been in a state of flux for over a season.
I could afford more time to someone who was dedicated to his beliefs and worked tirelessly to achieve it to perfection. The best example was the 90's AC Milan side who were committed to being religiously structured in defence and slowly broke teams down! They stuck to there guns and it let them dominate domestic and european football!

The reason Arsenal are consistently in the top four is Wengers belief in the system and method he adopts and i would say our squad is really not that different to theirs!

So on reflection, it really is time for Rogers to either stick to his methods and believe in his passing and attacking game or to move on!
I prefer to give support and time to whoever the club has brought in, but if the team is still looking lost come Christmas i really don't think anyone including Brendon could argue the fact that it's in everyone's best interest to part ways.

FWIW my preferred choice would be Rafa or Anchelloti - Klopp like some has said has only done it at one club and i think the gamble is not the right choice at the moment!


I never wanted him and I am not surprised at the level he has brought us to  :no
Anyway how can you say you don't want Klopp because "he has only done it at one club" but yet you still support and advocate time to a fella that has never done it with any club  :glare:
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Postby Redtribe » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:53 am

I said i would leave him until Christmas, and he has my support as the current manager of our team. If he could get the team playing like they did two seasons ago than yes he would keep my support!
The reason i would not  have Klopp as my first choice is simple i dont think taking another gamble is necessarily the right option. I would feel more comfortable with either Anchelloti or Rafa being able to get us back up the table and being more consistent.
I rate Klopp but i wonder if he is the right person for us now, or at christmas should i say!
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:56 am

His latest sound bite ahead of the Bitterz on Sunday 

He said: “We will always take the favourite tag, at Liverpool that is what you want,for us we are happy to take the favourite tag if people want to put that on us because we are Liverpool"

“There is no advantage or disadvantage if your favourites. It just shows you’re a big club and that’s what we want to have here"

The man will do anything to court Liverpool fans ,apparently he's decided to echo the comments of Benitez pertaining to the Bitterz . I may be incorrect ,but I think Rafa actually believed his statement and set about justifying it .  :glare:
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