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Even though it's a couple of days since our CL exit I am still really angry about it, even though the club didn't address key areas in the transfer window I still reckon the squad is more than capable of beating the likes of Ludograts and Basle, yes we are without DS but I firmly believe our elimination is down to the manager and he should take responsibility for this, I have been reading many articles with former players and managers all saying BR should take the rap for team selection and tactics, if he could swallow his pride and admit he got it wrong I could sympathise with him but no, he is now saying the whole clubs to blame. It seems he wants to take credit when we are doing well but is in denial when he gets it wrong. 

My mate who is almost 60 now is one of the staunchest LFC fan I have ever had the pleasure to meet,has been a season ticket holder since 1971 who as never missed a cup final since then has been to every league home game since 1971 is a good mate of Carra ( I've seen and been before I became ill the legendary pi.ss up,s in the Hypa bar, the Salisbury, Crouchy dancing on the pool table while we all drooled over Abi) and is one of the most knowledgeable people LFC wise person I have ever met. His Mum died last year and he was reminiscing about the 1986 FA Cup final when himself and his Mum bunked into Wembley got caught kicked out of the stadium and listened to the match outside with a radio. Got a lift after a Villa away game off Shanks and Nessie .Got on the pitch at Maine Road 1984 League Cup Final replay with Tommo,s brother. Now that's dedication for you. So when he speaks about the Club I tend to listen,told me yesterday that if Rodgers gets another season he,s going to seriously think about renewing his season ticket. Now to me that means there is something really wrong at Anfield. And he said on Tuesday he had already accepted we wern,t going to qualify for the knockout phase. I could not believe what I was hearing,in fact I think am still in shock about his revelation. So when poster's here start defending Rodgers, just please read this post again. I am not a WUM and I am not exaggerating either. Actually I feel very sad about it.

Have to agree with Yakka, we have become a despicable fanbase. 

How anyone can not accept Suarez leaving, Sturridge / Flanno getting injured for several months and a complete lack of form from players like Coutinho / Mignolet as reasonable reasons for this tough patch is beyond me. 

If coming closer to anyone to winning the league doesn't buy you a few months then we are done. 

If we hire a new manager we could be replacing him again this summer at the rate we are going.

Thats not the problem that most people have with BR

we will start with replacing Suarez with Balotelli
Signing lallana Markovic and Can and not really given them much of a chance
Constantly playing Gerrard at DM until recent weeks despite it harbouring both liverpool and Gerrards reputation

the list goes on

I would love it if he  could turn it around but im afraid in my eyes its not gonna be the case. Very stubborn manager imo, sad when you look at our bench sometimes an see the likes of Lallana, Can and even Coutinnio on there creative footballers who should be starting. Brendan has made a rod for his own back im afraid ive give up on the amount of times that he has fielded the wrong team . He might be a vood coach but as far as managing us im afraid this job and what we expect of a manager has come to early for him. Last season and the brilliant little man blinkered his shortfalls im afraid.

Yeah, I'd not start questioning people's support just because they have no faith in Rodgers. If it was one issue, or two, or there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel then things would be different. But Kenny didn't get long and he's one of us. So this 'sacking managers' thing can't be blamed on those that want BR out. Many here didn't want Kenny sacked so to start saying we're cr*p supporters isn't fair.
Sometimes things go sour. I'll be very, very surprised if BR can recover. Too much is wrong.
BR has had plenty of time and money to show something...ANY sign of improvement or dynamic thinking but he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move from its position.
Rarely will I make predictions that could bite me in the *****, but we have gone as far as we can go under BR. I have no doubt.

Boocity » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:59 am wrote:Even though it's a couple of days since our CL exit I am still really angry about it, even though the club didn't address key areas in the transfer window I still reckon the squad is more than capable of beating the likes of Ludograts and Basle, yes we are without DS but I firmly believe our elimination is down to the manager and he should take responsibility for this, I have been reading many articles with former players and managers all saying BR should take the rap for team selection and tactics, if he could swallow his pride and admit he got it wrong I could sympathise with him but no, he is now saying the whole clubs to blame. It seems he wants to take credit when we are doing well but is in denial when he gets it wrong. 

Agree, we had enough to qualify. Could almost guarantee Rafa would have got us through that group fairly comfortably with the same squad of players. BR is looking a bit like a rabbit caught in front of the headlights at the moment. I know he is a young guy and still learning  but the managers job at LFC is a big, big job and not one where you can spend too much time learning on it IMO.

In hindsight, I do think it may have been better for his development to spend a couple of seasons in this league with Swansea before making the step up but obviously can't blame him for taking the job as it s massive opportunity and who knows if he would have got a chance again

RedAnt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:32 am wrote:Yeah, I'd not start questioning people's support just because they have no faith in Rodgers. If it was one issue, or two, or there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel then things would be different. But Kenny didn't get long and he's one of us. So this 'sacking managers' thing can't be blamed on those that want BR out. Many here didn't want Kenny sacked so to start saying we're cr*p supporters isn't fair.
Sometimes things go sour. I'll be very, very surprised if BR can recover. Too much is wrong.
BR has had plenty of time and money to show something...ANY sign of improvement or dynamic thinking but he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move from its position.
Rarely will I make predictions that could bite me in the *****, but we have gone as far as we can go under BR. I have no doubt.

I don't how how people can blame Rodgers for wasting the Suarez money, it's plainly obvious that he isn't the one who's calling the shots. The owners themselves said as much in the Echo when they recently gave him a vote of confidence.
At the end of last season after losing the title at the final hurdle a clearly frustrated Brendan spoke at length about only bringing in proven quality, he said he only wanted 2 or at the most 3 players but they had to be top, top quality, in their prime and ready to rumble and influence games next season, so what happens? What do we do with this once in a decade windfall? We sign 9 players the vast majority of them 21 or under.
A similar thing happened with Balotelli, after playing AC Milan in pre season Brendan laughed at the idea of buying Balotelli and journo's close to the manager ridiculed fans on social media over the suggestion but a fortnight later he's a Liverpool player. There was even a 'read my lips' moment in there, as in 'read my lips Mario Balotelli won't be a Liverpool player'.
FSG have obviously got a business model and whatever manager we employ wether that's Brendan or whoever has got to adhere to that model. They want to sign young players because young players cost less and they have modest wage demands, plus young players have re sale value. It doesn't matter who you bring in that's how they will have to work.

jacdaniel » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:05 am wrote:Have to agree with Yakka, we have become a despicable fanbase. 

How anyone can not accept Suarez leaving, Sturridge / Flanno getting injured for several months and a complete lack of form from players like Coutinho / Mignolet as reasonable reasons for this tough patch is beyond me. 

If coming closer to anyone to winning the league doesn't buy you a few months then we are done. 

If we hire a new manager we could be replacing him again this summer at the rate we are going.

Every one and their dog knew we would struggle without suarez but the manager didnt, In fact he said the complete opposite. Do you also mean to say we are also struggling because john flanagan is injured ? I like the lad but he isn't going to start or even oust johnson from the side.
Mignolet is a disaster, been struggling with himself since he got here and continues to do so, Brad jones could not do any worse than him.
coutinho has been one of our better players when used but finds himself in and out of the side too often.

We came close to winning it but no cigar in the end, it was a fantastic campaign heavily dominated by suarez and sturridge and the goals they produced. They took all the pressure and boosted the confidence of so many around them even though our defence was still shipping silly goals. We should have kicked on in the summer and addressed those problems and the shortfall of missing one player. we had the money to do so and again bought very poorly. Our summer kitty was spunked just like he spunked all the rest. we got nothing, not one world class player, not one leader, not one player the rest can look up to. He won't even play the half of them ffs, just like he did with all his previous signings and after 3 years he is still heavily reliant on players he inherited.

If you ask me he has lost half that dressing room through his own doing, he doesnt know whether he is coming or going tactically and will need far too much money to turn this around. Based on his success's in the previous windows how could you be comfortable with him spending more money to get it right seeing as what he has got for over £200 mil, il say it again over TWO HUNDRED MILLION QUID, we have got nothing but potential that might never come to fruition just like the first batch of potential he bought. Had he of done better in the summer and learned from his previous mistakes which he said he did, but then he goes and does the same again.

I do get the loyalty but not the blind faith in something that clearly isnt working. His words are hollow and if he could stop the slump then he would have but he can't. This isn't his first season or his second and we are back at square one again. 
It would be much cheaper for the owners to replace him rather than half the team .

Why BR changed the tactics/system of play is anyone's guess! However, there is no reason for not playing the high pressing football of last season. The fans can't just sit this out with blinkers, drastic action is required because the Club is being ripped apart by BR. He also talks rubbish at every press conference etc and bad mouthing players does not help LFC.  He has favourites he plays each game when there are far better options like Courtinho, Lallana et al . They are the ones that should be getting time on the pitch because of their creativity. They are floundering because of BR's favourites, his arrogance, stubbornness and ego. His head is as big and wide as the biggest and widest ocean.  BR has changed tact, and its changed to setting up the team from a fearist (is that a word? anyway...) perspective. He is scared of all opponents that come before the team, wtf is that!  He does not know how to change it, he keeps playing the same way each week and its hurting the club. If an employee was going to work each day plastered and reeking of booze, what would the employer do?! This is BR plastered and reeking of stubborness, arrogance and ego.

BR has definately lost the dressing room, you can see it on the players faces.  He wasted £325m approx in 3 seasons (except 1 or 2 maybe 3), and he won't be given any more funds to waste (FSG are not happy), one can be assured of that. He has had ample, ample time to bed his ideas into the team, yet, 3 seasons in, he still hasn't manged to train and coach the players to work his 'philosophy', what does that tell you?  Oh, the wasted millions, he brought in players that don't even fit into his 'philosophy', and that's quantity over quality as i've said previously.   Btw, Why did he not bring in a GK?  He is also making dubious substitutions in each game. 

Look at what he has done to the Academy, he's shafted all of them. He got rid of Borrell (the man that setup the Barcelona Academy), who imo, is a great coach, knows that players and worked wonders at the Academy. Even Pep Guadiola said that 'LFC had the best Academy after Barcelona'. He even let Segura go...........As Maureen said the other day, if you are not going to use the academy players, give them chances etc, then close the academy down. The players he brought in are of similar age and only have a fraction more experience then players at the Academy.  Pointless having an Academy when one doesn't make use of the assets.

FSG are looking to completely overhaul the entire structure (operationally) at Anfield, that includes BR and transfer committee that is why they are seeking advice and guidance for the best way forward. I'm pretty sure they have overcome the shock of running a football club hence them looking for sponsors and naming rights for the Stands and Stadium.  With FFP looming, the wasted miilions has already come back to bite, you can see that on the pitch. 

From what I  hear, FSG don't want a Caretaker in case he does well and the fans want the Caretaker to be made permanent. However, they won't just get rid of BR just for the fun of it, though if the result against the Mwancks is anything but a win, it may force their hand. I'd rather they go for the Caretaker (interim), it may at least give the players a boost. Keeping BR any longer will only damage the Club more.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:31 am wrote:

RedAnt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:32 am wrote:Yeah, I'd not start questioning people's support just because they have no faith in Rodgers. If it was one issue, or two, or there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel then things would be different. But Kenny didn't get long and he's one of us. So this 'sacking managers' thing can't be blamed on those that want BR out. Many here didn't want Kenny sacked so to start saying we're cr*p supporters isn't fair.
Sometimes things go sour. I'll be very, very surprised if BR can recover. Too much is wrong.
BR has had plenty of time and money to show something...ANY sign of improvement or dynamic thinking but he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move from its position.
Rarely will I make predictions that could bite me in the *****, but we have gone as far as we can go under BR. I have no doubt.

FSG have obviously got a business model and whatever manager we employ wether that's Brendan or whoever has got to adhere to that model. They want to sign young players because young players cost less and they have modest wage demands, plus young players have re sale value. It doesn't matter who you bring in that's how they will have to work.

They had a model yakka but he changed most of that when he got the job. They obviously wanted a DOF to secure players but he didnt want that and got his way. Yes he has budgets and guidelines to adhere to but nothing has changed on him since he took over. he has enjoyed decent backing and support from his employers and has failed. Not all of our players are kids either. I dont see what the problem is with that anyway as its a big part of how rodgers works and he would have no problem dipping into the academy to get a player. Its not acceptable for him to do that now though when he has spent so much. what would you have thought if you seen ojo come on the other night against basle instead of either markovic or lallana ?
I know what the owners would have thought 

It doesn't please me to show this, But i did say in this thread back in May 2012



http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/post1174294.html#p1174294



When you give a Rookie/Novice manager £millions, the current state of affairs is what you get.

Look at the caliber of Mourinho, Ancelloti, Guardiola, Fergusson, who very rarely put a foot wrong in their tenures. A bad season for them is finishing 2nd, 3rd at worst.

Liverpool should be aiming at that level for their managers, for their players.

But no, we have reached the modeled American sports franchise destination of Mediocrity.

red till i die!! » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:06 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:31 am wrote:

RedAnt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:32 am wrote:Yeah, I'd not start questioning people's support just because they have no faith in Rodgers. If it was one issue, or two, or there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel then things would be different. But Kenny didn't get long and he's one of us. So this 'sacking managers' thing can't be blamed on those that want BR out. Many here didn't want Kenny sacked so to start saying we're cr*p supporters isn't fair.
Sometimes things go sour. I'll be very, very surprised if BR can recover. Too much is wrong.
BR has had plenty of time and money to show something...ANY sign of improvement or dynamic thinking but he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move from its position.
Rarely will I make predictions that could bite me in the *****, but we have gone as far as we can go under BR. I have no doubt.

FSG have obviously got a business model and whatever manager we employ wether that's Brendan or whoever has got to adhere to that model. They want to sign young players because young players cost less and they have modest wage demands, plus young players have re sale value. It doesn't matter who you bring in that's how they will have to work.

They had a model yakka but he changed most of that when he got the job. They obviously wanted a DOF to secure players but he didnt want that and got his way. Yes he has budgets and guidelines to adhere to but nothing has changed on him since he took over. he has enjoyed decent backing and support from his employers and has failed. Not all of our players are kids either. I dont see what the problem is with that anyway as its a big part of how rodgers works and he would have no problem dipping into the academy to get a player. Its not acceptable for him to do that now though when he has spent so much. what would you have thought if you seen ojo come on the other night against basle instead of either markovic or lallana ?
I know what the owners would have thought 

You don't see how that is a problem? He misses out on the title by a whisker and wants to sign 2 big name players but ends up getting 9? The vast majority of them 21 or under and only 2 of them over 25?
When the new man inevitably encounters the same problems how long is everyone going to give him Red? How long before everyone starts getting on his back? Are we trying to set a new record in the world of football or something, 6 managers in as many years?
IMO it's high time Liverpool fans stopped moaning and started circling the wagons again just like we used to do whenever we encountered tough times in the past, football is full of highs and lows and instead of crying and whinging for a quick fix every time we hit a low how about showing a bit of faith and a bit of loyalty, I know those two words have gone out of fashion somewhat at LFC these days but believe it or not once upon a time this club was built upon them.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Dec 11th, '14, 11:31 wrote:

RedAnt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:32 am wrote:Yeah, I'd not start questioning people's support just because they have no faith in Rodgers. If it was one issue, or two, or there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel then things would be different. But Kenny didn't get long and he's one of us. So this 'sacking managers' thing can't be blamed on those that want BR out. Many here didn't want Kenny sacked so to start saying we're cr*p supporters isn't fair.
Sometimes things go sour. I'll be very, very surprised if BR can recover. Too much is wrong.
BR has had plenty of time and money to show something...ANY sign of improvement or dynamic thinking but he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move from its position.
Rarely will I make predictions that could bite me in the *****, but we have gone as far as we can go under BR. I have no doubt.

I don't how how people can blame Rodgers for wasting the Suarez money, it's plainly obvious that he isn't the one who's calling the shots. The owners themselves said as much in the Echo when they recently gave him a vote of confidence.
At the end of last season after losing the title at the final hurdle a clearly frustrated Brendan spoke at length about only bringing in proven quality, he said he only wanted 2 or at the most 3 players but they had to be top, top quality, in their prime and ready to rumble and influence games next season, so what happens? What do we do with this once in a decade windfall? We sign 9 players the vast majority of them 21 or under.
A similar thing happened with Balotelli, after playing AC Milan in pre season Brendan laughed at the idea of buying Balotelli and journo's close to the manager ridiculed fans on social media over the suggestion but a fortnight later he's a Liverpool player. There was even a 'read my lips' moment in there, as in 'read my lips Mario Balotelli won't be a Liverpool player'.
FSG have obviously got a business model and whatever manager we employ wether that's Brendan or whoever has got to adhere to that model. They want to sign young players because young players cost less and they have modest wage demands, plus young players have re sale value. It doesn't matter who you bring in that's how they will have to work.

BR along with the Transfer committee are wholly 100% responsible. Though BR has the final say. He could have stepped in and said 'no i don't want that player'  Don't believe everything you read in the 'press',  and the "vote of confidence" is 'dreaded' for a reason you know! BR hasn't learn't anything in the last 3 seasons to take the club forward.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:31 am wrote:

RedAnt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:32 am wrote:Yeah, I'd not start questioning people's support just because they have no faith in Rodgers. If it was one issue, or two, or there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel then things would be different. But Kenny didn't get long and he's one of us. So this 'sacking managers' thing can't be blamed on those that want BR out. Many here didn't want Kenny sacked so to start saying we're cr*p supporters isn't fair.
Sometimes things go sour. I'll be very, very surprised if BR can recover. Too much is wrong.
BR has had plenty of time and money to show something...ANY sign of improvement or dynamic thinking but he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to move from its position.
Rarely will I make predictions that could bite me in the *****, but we have gone as far as we can go under BR. I have no doubt.

I don't how how people can blame Rodgers for wasting the Suarez money, it's plainly obvious that he isn't the one who's calling the shots. The owners themselves said as much in the Echo when they recently gave him a vote of confidence.
At the end of last season after losing the title at the final hurdle a clearly frustrated Brendan spoke at length about only bringing in proven quality, he said he only wanted 2 or at the most 3 players but they had to be top, top quality, in their prime and ready to rumble and influence games next season, so what happens? What do we do with this once in a decade windfall? We sign 9 players the vast majority of them 21 or under.
A similar thing happened with Balotelli, after playing AC Milan in pre season Brendan laughed at the idea of buying Balotelli and journo's close to the manager ridiculed fans on social media over the suggestion but a fortnight later he's a Liverpool player. There was even a 'read my lips' moment in there, as in 'read my lips Mario Balotelli won't be a Liverpool player'.
FSG have obviously got a business model and whatever manager we employ wether that's Brendan or whoever has got to adhere to that model. They want to sign young players because young players cost less and they have modest wage demands, plus young players have re sale value. It doesn't matter who you bring in that's how they will have to work.

Well I'm aware that there's more to it than meets the eye, such as commitees and budgets etc, and whilst I'd never really heard of Brendan Rodgers other than him being Swansea's manager, I still got behind him, even though he replaced KK. Surely that's where the disloyalty is if there is any... Sacking KK. We trusted KK because he's Liverpool through and through.
But in comes BR and much to pretty much every bodies surprise we nearly win the league! But we also know there were other factors, the demise of manure, Maureen refinding his feet, Suarez etc. Surely nobody believes that last year was due to Brendan Rodgers? Look at his CV. He's had very, very little success as a manager. He has...or had potential, that was all. He's had a go and look what's happened. He's not the right man. I know it. I'm not going to lie and say I think he's great because I don't believe he is. I think he's ruining us. If that makes me a bad supporter, then so be it. But the truth is there for all to see. I still want us to win everything. Always have. Always will. We won't win much with BR.

Let's hope the wonderful Brendan makes me eat my words. I can tell you now though... He won't.