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Ave been text by my mate, the one who told me about Borini signing us going for Allen, well before it was mentioned in press and Bellamy going back to Cardiff ages ago saying Agger is STAYING.

He is due to start tomorrow as well.

Fingers crossed this is right.

I'm not sure we need him mate. I'd put 22 in the bank knowing we have Coates and Kelly to fill in the CB role with Johnson and Enrique on the flanks.  Plus Flanagan as the youngster coming through.

I don't think anyone is sacred... some people we let go too soon (Arbeloa comes to mind who has had a great run at RM) etc.. but the only 'irreplaceable' players who left over the last 10 years have been Alsonso and Torres. Even Lucas replaced Masher well last season.

Game on.

Reg » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:02 am wrote:I'm not sure we need him mate. I'd put 22 in the bank knowing we have Coates and Kelly to fill in the CB role with Johnson and Enrique on the flanks.  Plus Flanagan as the youngster coming through.

I don't think anyone is sacred... some people we let go too soon (Arbeloa comes to mind who has had a great run at RM) etc.. but the only 'irreplaceable' players who left over the last 10 years have been Alsonso and Torres. Even Lucas replaced Masher well last season.

Game on.

You forget to mention Sami Hyypia who has yet to be replaced at present. Also it is worrying that Agger could leave in order to fund other players coming into the club. We'll essentially be weakening one area in order to strengthen others and in the end, nothing will be achieved by operating this way. You close one gap and another one appears. It's a never-ending vicious cycle which is ultimately detrimental to the club.

Don't think it is a sell to buy policy at the club.
The owners and Brendan probably don't want to splash huge wages on bit part players but don't have a problem giving big salaries to premium players ie Suarez tripling his salary.
The truth is if Brendan wants Agger to stay and Agger is happy to stay then he will remain at Anfield.
Lots of people seem to draw there own conlusions that we have a sell to buy policy when in reality none of us on this forum know.

Reg » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:02 am wrote:I'm not sure we need him mate. I'd put 22 in the bank knowing we have Coates and Kelly to fill in the CB role with Johnson and Enrique on the flanks.  Plus Flanagan as the youngster coming through.

I don't think anyone is sacred... some people we let go too soon (Arbeloa comes to mind who has had a great run at RM) etc.. but the only 'irreplaceable' players who left over the last 10 years have been Alsonso and Torres. Even Lucas replaced Masher well last season.

Game on.

TBH mate I'm yet to be convinced by Coates. I know we haven't seen much of him since he joined but what I have seen hasn't convinced me that he is ready to step up as a first choice CB. He needs more playing time with a top class partner in defence which for me would be AGGER. As good a season as Skrtel had last year that was down to his partnership with Agger and at times without him he looked a wee bit shakey.

For me we must keep Agger for the immediate future until either Coates matures or we find another replacement from elsewhere once other areas fo the team have been strengthened.

the biggest worry for me if he does go is how deep the defence sits as a result. we've defended far too deep for ages, creating a chasm between midfield and attack at times and also resulting in the worst season of reina's career with us. he's also brought the very best out of skrtel in the last year.

Reg » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:02 am wrote:I'm not sure we need him mate. I'd put 22 in the bank knowing we have Coates and Kelly to fill in the CB role with Johnson and Enrique on the flanks.  Plus Flanagan as the youngster coming through.

I don't think anyone is sacred... some people we let go too soon (Arbeloa comes to mind who has had a great run at RM) etc.. but the only 'irreplaceable' players who left over the last 10 years have been Alsonso and Torres. Even Lucas replaced Masher well last season.

Game on.

I agree.

At the end of the day Agger is a great player but he isn't irreplacable. You cannot compare him to Gerrard for example.

Every player has a price, and I think considering Agger's injury record, getting £20m+ for him now is good business.

I would like to see him stay but if a good bid comes in I would be happy with a change.

I think some of you do not fully realize Agger's value. He's our best defender bar none and at the same time he's a rare breed of defender who's good on the ball. He is very compatible with Reina. If we lose him, we will need to replace him. None of the defenders we have are as good as him. Besides 27 is not old for a defender, we can easily get 6 more years out of him... I say tie him up for 4 more years with a contract extension...

using his injury record as a reason to sell him is bizzare imo. that's like saying we shouldn't want to sign van persie because of his injury record.

maguskwt » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:24 pm wrote:I think some of you do not fully realize Agger's value. He's our best defender bar none and at the same time he's a rare breed of defender who's good on the ball. He is very compatible with Reina. If we lose him, we will need to replace him. None of the defenders we have are as good as him. Besides 27 is not old for a defender, we can easily get 6 more years out of him... I say tie him up for 4 more years with a contract extension...

I think you're missing the point. Every player has a value where you would consider parting with him. The only players where this consideration is not explored are for world class players who you arguably couldn't replace, I.e. Gerrard.

Agger is replaceable. I personally would like him to stay but as I stated before for the right sum he is replaceable.

SouthCoastShankly » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:19 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:24 pm wrote:I think some of you do not fully realize Agger's value. He's our best defender bar none and at the same time he's a rare breed of defender who's good on the ball. He is very compatible with Reina. If we lose him, we will need to replace him. None of the defenders we have are as good as him. Besides 27 is not old for a defender, we can easily get 6 more years out of him... I say tie him up for 4 more years with a contract extension...

I think you're missing the point. Every player has a value where you would consider parting with him. The only players where this consideration is not explored are for world class players who you arguably couldn't replace, I.e. Gerrard.

Agger is replaceable. I personally would like him to stay but as I stated before for the right sum he is replaceable.

He is world class to me. Right now he is more valuable to the team than gerrard is. Putting aside our sentimental attachment to gerrard, gerrard hasn't been very effective for the team, whereas Agger was a key contributor in the only bright spot last season, our defence. Agger makes skrtle better as well. I can guaranty that without agger, Skrtle will revert back to his clumsy self.

Yes every player has a price, but if we want to build a team, we need to retain the core and agger together with reina, Gerrard, Suarez, Johnson, Enrique should be part of that core...

reckon they've stuck £22 million on Aggers head and already drawn up a short list of replacements... just in case city pay up.

Roger Red Hat » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:58 pm wrote:reckon they've stuck £22 million on Aggers head and already drawn up a short list of replacements... just in case city pay up.

Rodgers needs to have a replacement lined up if he is going to sell Agger (providing City match our valuation for Agger). Our defence will look a lot weaker without Agger, he's by far our best defender and whilst we have a lot of talented youngsters in our squad, these players will need to be eased in slowly, but surely! We can't just throw Coates into the mix and expect instant results, so a replacement defender is crucial and let's not forget that Craig Bellamy is in talks with Cardiff, so our players are dropping like flies, meanwhile we haven't brought anybody else into the fold. I'm quite worried in all honesty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19179259

Liverpool could sell Daniel Agger, says Brendan Rodgers


Brendan Rodgers has conceded Liverpool may be forced to sell Daniel Agger should Manchester City match their valuation of the player.

The Liverpool manager admitted Agger, 27, was not certain to stay at Anfield for the coming season despite his desire to keep the Denmark defender.

"Every player has a price," Rodgers said. "But no manager wants to lose his best players.

He added that Craig Bellamy is likely to join Cardiff City later this week.

City's football administrator Brian Marwood has made two inquiries about Agger this summer.

City have indicated they would be willing to bid about £18m for the Denmark international, but Liverpool are holding out for a fee in excess of the £22m City paid Everton for Joleon Lescott in 2009.

It is understood Adam Johnson could yet be offered on loan as a makeweight in a potential deal. Agger has entered the final two years of his contract and talks on a new deal have stalled.

"Top centre-halves are at a premium," Rodgers, speaking before Thursday's Europa League qualifier against FC Gomel, said. "Take Thiago Silva, he left AC Milan to go to Paris St Germain for £40m.  So it has to be a big valuation.

"Daniel is one of the leading players in European football at centre-half. Is he a player I want to lose? No he's not. But like any club, if an offer comes in that is in the best interests of the club, of course you have to look at it.

"From a football perspective, do I want to lose Daniel Agger? Not really. He can be a really pivotal player for me, he understands how I want to work. But I am a realist. And the reality is that if a club comes in with a massive bid then the club may have to look at it. You can never say never."

Bellamy looks more certain to leave Liverpool with Rodgers having given the Welshman permission to move closer to his family in Cardiff. When asked if Bellamy would join Cardiff, Rodgers added: "I would think so. I had a really good chat with Craig when I first arrived here.

"He is not one that can play every week, he is 33, coming towards the final years of his career and his family is still in Cardiff. He has made a massive commitment to come here, lived on his own.

"He has loved the club, loved playing for the club. But I believe that at the end of last season he had already made his decision.

"I obviously respect that. What is so important is a player's happiness. Craig's family is not here, they are down in Cardiff. Unless a player is happy you don't get the maximum of them.

"And [Cardiff] is probably where he will end up. If he does end up there, we wish him the very best. He will still be a Liverpool supporter, it is not for football reasons that he is leaving but for family."

Rodgers is working hard to strengthen his side and remains hopeful of tying up a deal for Swansea midfielder Joe Allen.

"We need to improve the squad, there is no question about that. But it is a little bit more complex than many people realise," he said.

"The intention is to bring in a few more players yet. I would love them to be in here sooner rather than later. But the most important thing is that they are here by the end of August. Then we know the group we are working with through until January at least.

"I know I need to bring in a number of players, just to replace the ones that have left. But this is a club that people want to be at, so hopefully a number of those will come in over the next couple of weeks."

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I know we need to give the new man some time, but I'm starting to get the feeling his lack of experience might really leave our squad exposed come the start of the season. If both Agger and Bellamy follow the likes of Kuyt, Maxi, Aquilani and Aurelio out the door with no replacements coming in then our squad will be significantly weaker than it has been the last couple of years.
And even if we do manage to bring in our 'touted' targets: Allen, Dempsey, Ramirez I dont think it will make a big difference. We need a top CB to replace Agger if he leaves, and that imo should become top priority if we idiotically decide to sell him without him putting in a request.

Not at all impressed with some of his statements and the total lack of activity in the transfer market to date, where is this really exciting player that was mentioned.