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7_Kewell wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:Jesus ,Mary and Joseph .There's some sh!te being spouted in this thread .

Fact One . SOS represents it's members ,Kewell is not a member ,so don't worry mate we don't represent you .

Fact two . Yesterdays protest was organised by fans and NOT SOS. It was a spur of the moment thing (lakes don't know what your on lad )

Fact three. Some fans burnt American flags . Boo feckin hoo . So what ,in the grand scheme of things i couldn't care less . THe message has got across . What do you want SOS to do Kewell ,feckin send a few police in to nick them ffs . People are angry and there showing it . Tough sh!t .

Fact four . GUESS WHAT SOS MEMBERS ARE FANS ASWELL . They are entitled to march and protest and do what the feck they want . THEY ARE NOT DOING IT IN SOS'S NAME . Atleast the people there yesterday are attempting to do what they can to get the owners out . Not type on a internet forum slagging others off .

FACT FIVE . This is all my own personal opinion and not the opinion of SOS .

well, by all means, carry on as you were then. I'm just saying how it is. SOS has no PR plan and that is one of the main reason it isn't working.

7_Kewell wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

andy_g wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:the corner stone of the SOS message inplies that our owners are not fit to run our club because they are AMERICAN.

That's how it comes across, pure and simple.

i am a member of SOS and regularly receive emails about meetings and activities (i can't make it to meetings myself because i'm not based in liverpool anymore). i have also had a good read of the website and discussed things with other members. i just rechecked the website to make sure and i'm damned if i can find anywhere in any of these lines of communication where it even suggests that the issue is the nationality of the owners. surely if it was the cornerstone of their message it would be leaping off the page at me, right?

to be more precise, point number 3 in the 'why should i join?' section says

"We are not against the current owners because they want to make money from the club, or because they are American, or even because they have no understanding or concept of our history and traditions."

not quite sure where you are getting your ideas from...

if you read back you'll see i'm talking about the protests and media coverage. Almost every SOS related image i've seen has anti-american banners or sentiments.

It is the image they put across and they seem happy with it.

That's not true. There are going to be Hicks and Gillette banners banded about at the world cup and I know for a fact that those who made it were keen to keep any mention of American out of it as it was a world cup and USA fans could be offended.

But in regards to the flag burning incident, pull your skirt up will you what's the matter with you? Are you really that upset about a little flag? The club is getting killed from the inside here and your worried about the thoughts and feelings of people who don't even give a flying feck about the club?

However, the image it portrays to potential investers upsets me greatly. Read my locked thread if you want to know why...

dundreamin wrote:Whats the big !PROBLEM bout the flag burning?  Its gone on for years. And
More people on this planet would agree than  disagree.fook them.if you
' dont like the heat get outa the kitchen. THIS IS WAR!

Well junior, the big problem is that when you burn the flag of a country, don't assume that everyone who sees that isn't going to take it as a direct insult.  Don't asume that it won't be taken as an insult to those it wasn't meant to offend.

I've stayed away from this subject for a bit but I've had my fair share of biting my tongue.

I fully understand that the flag burning was meant for two idiot dipshits but the thing that really bothers me, the two idiot dipshits who that was a signal to couldn't give a damn about the flag burning. 

Instead of taking the easy way out and doing the cliche' thing of burning the American flag, why not show some creativeness and come up with something that shows the character of LFC and the creative nuance that the rest of the world associates with the city of Liverpool?

I understand why it was done.  But as a US Veteran (and fought right along with Englishmen), I won't for a second deny that It didn't severely disappoint me in seeing something related to a club I love insult me, even if it wasn't intended to.

The Good Yank wrote:

dundreamin wrote:Whats the big !PROBLEM bout the flag burning?  Its gone on for years. And
More people on this planet would agree than  disagree.fook them.if you
' dont like the heat get outa the kitchen. THIS IS WAR!

Well junior, the big problem is that when you burn the flag of a country, don't assume that everyone who sees that isn't going to take it as a direct insult.  Don't asume that it won't be taken as an insult to those it wasn't meant to offend.

I've stayed away from this subject for a bit but I've had my fair share of biting my tongue.

I fully understand that the flag burning was meant for two idiot dipshits but the thing that really bothers me, the two idiot dipshits who that was a signal to couldn't give a damn about the flag burning. 

Instead of taking the easy way out and doing the cliche' thing of burning the American flag, why not show some creativeness and come up with something that shows the character of LFC and the creative nuance that the rest of the world associates with the city of Liverpool?

I understand why it was done.  But as a US Veteran (and fought right along with Englishmen), I won't for a second deny that It didn't severely disappoint me in seeing something related to a club I love insult me, even if it wasn't intended to.

The Good Yank wrote:

dundreamin wrote:Whats the big !PROBLEM bout the flag burning?  Its gone on for years. And
More people on this planet would agree than  disagree.fook them.if you
' dont like the heat get outa the kitchen. THIS IS WAR!

Well junior, the big problem is that when you burn the flag of a country, don't assume that everyone who sees that isn't going to take it as a direct insult.  Don't asume that it won't be taken as an insult to those it wasn't meant to offend.

I've stayed away from this subject for a bit but I've had my fair share of biting my tongue.

I fully understand that the flag burning was meant for two idiot dipshits but the thing that really bothers me, the two idiot dipshits who that was a signal to couldn't give a damn about the flag burning. 

Instead of taking the easy way out and doing the cliche' thing of burning the American flag, why not show some creativeness and come up with something that shows the character of LFC and the creative nuance that the rest of the world associates with the city of Liverpool?

I understand why it was done.  But as a US Veteran (and fought right along with Englishmen), I won't for a second deny that It didn't severely disappoint me in seeing something related to a club I love insult me, even if it wasn't intended to.

kazza wrote:I watched on the news some Americans burning the Union Jack in relation to BP's oil spill and I must say I was offended. I know it was in reaction to the name BRITISH Petroleum but I was still offended (and I have been to college in the United States and know most Americans have an affinity to the British). Watching your own flag burning is offensive, and I am not sure you rationalize that "it is not personal".

I am not sure burning the US flag helps our cause one bit, but having said that I can see the frustration and since they are labeled as the "Yanks" it is always going to come into play. Need to avoid it however.

Igor Zidane wrote:Jesus ,Mary and Joseph .There's some sh!te being spouted in this thread .

Fact One . SOS represents it's members ,Kewell is not a member ,so don't worry mate we don't represent you .

Fact two . Yesterdays protest was organised by fans and NOT SOS. It was a spur of the moment thing (lakes don't know what your on lad )

Fact three. Some fans burnt American flags . Boo feckin hoo . So what ,in the grand scheme of things i couldn't care less . THe message has got across . What do you want SOS to do Kewell ,feckin send a few police in to nick them ffs . People are angry and there showing it . Tough sh!t .

Fact four . GUESS WHAT SOS MEMBERS ARE FANS ASWELL . They are entitled to march and protest and do what the feck they want . THEY ARE NOT DOING IT IN SOS'S NAME . Atleast the people there yesterday are attempting to do what they can to get the owners out . Not type on a internet forum slagging others off .

FACT FIVE . This is all my own personal opinion and not the opinion of SOS .

Ciggy wrote:I think we all need to move on from the flag debate now, some fans from Texas Rangers have been intouch on RAWK and they are going to organise something on their side of the pond for the 3 clubs hicks is screwing over The Rangers, Stars and us. What Hicks has done to the Rangers he will do to us.

Also this silence from Gillett has me worried that Hicks has more control over us than Gillet.

*cries*

Tom Hicks and George Gillett, the club’s owners, have vowed to sell their stakes in Liverpool, though it is believed that is likely to be a rather longer process than first anticipated, with estimates now offered in years rather than months

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport....er.html

lakes10 wrote:Cig looking at the amrican new forums the Americans are mad about the flag stuff but have put it down to "SKIN HEADS" sorry but i found that funny, the photo that had been posted had a lot of guys with shaved heads....i was going to join and tell them they are not skin heads its just how a lot men have their hair over here when it stars to receding .....but i could not be bothered.

Everyone needs to move on from the flag now we have bigger fish to fry them are planning on staying for years