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NANNY RED wrote:Can i just ask one question,

WHAT YOU GONNA SAY WHEN BENITEZ WALKS OUT THE DOOR AND WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH STEVIE WALKS OUT THE DOOR AN ALL TO MADRID.AND JAVIER GOES TO WHEREVER HES SUPPOSED TO BE GOING , What then ay

I don't think Stevie or Masch were necessarily looking to stay anyway Sange. Masch wanted out for the first 3 months of the season and I get the impression it's as much about the money as anything else as far as he is concerned. As for Stevie, it's always been about winning or being in a position to win and i doubt he can see much hope of that going into next season. I can only imagine he was as dumbfounded with Rafa as many fans were this past season. Torres is the one I am most worried about, if Stevie goes he will too, I think it's that simple. The only thing working in our favour as far as he goes is that Barca have just signed Villa, and are now chasing Fabregas. I don't think Madrid will splash for him after last summer's outlay and neither do I think he would want to play for them. I don't think the Italian teams can afford him so that leaves City, Chelsea and the mancs as potential destinations. I can't bear to think about that.  Just hope he stays another season

SeaofRed wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:Your initial statement made out that whether all of our key players are unhappy is irrelevant.
Rafa has a contract and deserves his massive payout.

To me that's wrong in both areas.
Firstly the key players are more important to me than a manager that has failed.

And to me someone that has failed does not deserve anything like the ridiculous figure he is reported to be entitled to.
Now i am not saying he should just give up whatever he has been told he will get if he is sacked.

Just that i care more about the club than Rafa getting a shedloads of cash like Houllier did to ride off into the sunset with.

I have had more than a stomach full of Steven Gerrard if I am honest. He is a fantastic player, but I have made my staunch dislike of him as a person no secret. He is thirty and is nearing the end of his career. If he wants to leave for Real Madrid, I'd let him go.

The same with Carragher he is thirty two and probably has a season or two left playing top flight football, he is already a shadow of the player has was three years ago. If he wants to leave I'd let him pursue a career elsewhere.

Mascherano has fallen out of my good books with his tantrum last summer about not being allowed to leave and his repeated desire to leave the club. Only two weeks ago I read several articles stating that Mascherano and wife are struggling with life in Liverpool and wish to leave with Barcelona being heavily linked. It wouldn't bother me if he left either.

Torres is one player I do want us to keep, but what's the point of having him here when all he seems to do is lay on a treatment table or throw a hissyfit on the pitch when a defender marks him out of the game?

All of these players let the fans down last season and received virtually no criticism on the .tv forums. The hard workers like Lucas and Kuyt received all the criticism while no one really uttered anything about the individuals who really did let the fans down last season.

Also Benayoun can clear off as well, he wants a move to Chelsea let him go, I want players who want to be here and unfortunately, Mascherano, Benayoun and Gerrard have signalled that they are prepared to leave as has Fernando Torres.

As for Benitez, a contract is a contract, if it says £16m then that's what Benitez should get and I hope he holds out for every single penny he is owed.

SeaofRed wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:Can i just ask one question,

WHAT YOU GONNA SAY WHEN BENITEZ WALKS OUT THE DOOR AND WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH STEVIE WALKS OUT THE DOOR AN ALL TO MADRID.AND JAVIER GOES TO WHEREVER HES SUPPOSED TO BE GOING , What then ay

From what I have heard from the rumour mill Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano and Carragher have lost faith in Benitez, so Benitez's departure might not start a mass exodus, though I can see Pepe Reina perhaps following him out of the door.

SeaofRed wrote:I have had more than a stomach full of Steven Gerrard if I am honest. He is a fantastic player, but I have made my staunch dislike of him as a person no secret. He is thirty and is nearing the end of his career. If he wants to leave for Real Madrid, I'd let him go.

SeaofRed wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:Your initial statement made out that whether all of our key players are unhappy is irrelevant.
Rafa has a contract and deserves his massive payout.

To me that's wrong in both areas.
Firstly the key players are more important to me than a manager that has failed.

And to me someone that has failed does not deserve anything like the ridiculous figure he is reported to be entitled to.
Now i am not saying he should just give up whatever he has been told he will get if he is sacked.

Just that i care more about the club than Rafa getting a shedloads of cash like Houllier did to ride off into the sunset with.

I have had more than a stomach full of Steven Gerrard if I am honest. He is a fantastic player, but I have made my staunch dislike of him as a person no secret. He is thirty and is nearing the end of his career. If he wants to leave for Real Madrid, I'd let him go.

The same with Carragher he is thirty two and probably has a season or two left playing top flight football, he is already a shadow of the player has was three years ago. If he wants to leave I'd let him pursue a career elsewhere.

Mascherano has fallen out of my good books with his tantrum last summer about not being allowed to leave and his repeated desire to leave the club. Only two weeks ago I read several articles stating that Mascherano and wife are struggling with life in Liverpool and wish to leave with Barcelona being heavily linked. It wouldn't bother me if he left either.

Torres is one player I do want us to keep, but what's the point of having him here when all he seems to do is lay on a treatment table or throw a hissyfit on the pitch when a defender marks him out of the game?

All of these players let the fans down last season and received virtually no criticism on the .tv forums. The hard workers like Lucas and Kuyt received all the criticism while no one really uttered anything about the individuals who really did let the fans down last season.

Also Benayoun can clear off as well, he wants a move to Chelsea let him go, I want players who want to be here and unfortunately, Mascherano, Benayoun and Gerrard have signalled that they are prepared to leave as has Fernando Torres.

As for Benitez, a contract is a contract, if it says £16m then that's what Benitez should get and I hope he holds out for every single penny he is owed.

You have had enough of all of these players but not the massively underachieving and underperforming manager 

Is he feck entitled to 16 million.

Just shows the stupidity of football these days and the contracts players and managers are given.

I could discuss Gerrard if i had more time but what i will say is, if only our best player since Kenny was afforded the loyalty and backing that the current manager is given by some fans 

stmichael wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:You have had enough of all of these players but not the massively underachieving and underperforming manager 

Yeah I mean winning a European Cup, reaching another final, and another two Semis, bringing in players like Alonso, Masch, Torres, Agger, Reina, and doubling, tripling, even quadrupling their values, turning Gerrard from a 8-goal a season player, into a 20-goal a season destructive force, winning the FA Cup and bringing about our first title challenge for over ten years, and our biggest points tally in almost TWENTY years is really poor.

Mind you last season was a disaster all round which is obviously all that matters. He deserves to go. We're no better than Real Madrid or Chelsea.

stmichael wrote:I've said exactly the same for years and got shot down every time. Last year the guy was a disgrace but people still defended him because of everything he'd done in the past. People used other players misgivings as some sort of excuse for his poor form. He swanned around the pitch looking half arsed for most of the season, only getting up for games when he felt like it.