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by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:17 am

well looks like the yanks mission is finally complete. their last obstacle is out of the way and they can now do what they want whenever the hell they want. there is nobody there to stop them.

sad sad day.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:17 am

side note, SG getting off the bus in SA is finding the dancers very funny lol

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:21 am

Scottbot wrote:Whilst I have have felt Rafa does not deserve to stay on as manager from a purely footballing perspective I also felt that keeping him on gave us some protection from losing Stevie and Torres. I suspect the bids will come in for both players the moment Rafa leaves and I will be very surprised if the club turn them down. I only hope the club move for a manager with a bit of back-bone who would agree to come ONLY on the proviso that we keep our two best players (or at least Torres). I'd be inclined to go for Martin O'neil if i'm honest.

And there you go people the voice of reason.
What was it he said two weeks ago , I WILL NOT SELL GERRARD OR TORRES WHILE I AM THE MANAGER , yOUS ALL HEARD IT FROM THE MAN HIMSELF, Rafa out of the way its open season on our players

Apart from the O Niel bit, Scott you have nailed it there mate

by **lakes10** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:22 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Scottbot wrote:Whilst I have have felt Rafa does not deserve to stay on as manager from a purely footballing perspective I also felt that keeping him on gave us some protection from losing Stevie and Torres. I suspect the bids will come in for both players the moment Rafa leaves and I will be very surprised if the club turn them down. I only hope the club move for a manager with a bit of back-bone who would agree to come ONLY on the proviso that we keep our two best players (or at least Torres). I'd be inclined to go for Martin O'neil if i'm honest.

And there you go people the voice of reason.
What was it he said two weeks ago , I WILL NOT SELL GERRARD OR TORRES WHILE I AM THE MANAGER , yOUS ALL HEARD IT FROM THE MAN HIMSELF, Rafa out of the way its open season on our players

Apart from the O Niel bit, Scott you have nailed it there mate

no he would not sell them....but the they could ask the board if they could leave.

by **tubby** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:24 am

lakes10 wrote:side note, SG getting off the bus in SA is finding the dancers very funny lol

Whats that got to do with Rafa?

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:28 am

SeaofRed wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Are you for real ?

Rafa FC is it ?

feckin clown.

Not at all, they are trying to force him out of the club as opposed to sacking him outright because they cannot afford/won't pay the £16m he is rightfully owned. He should settle for nothing less than what he is owed.

I am more than happy to suffer a little pain if it means that the Americans suffer more than I do. I will support this club through the thick and thin, I am here like you and everyone else for the good times and the bad times and if it means us dropping down the table or going into administration or plying our trade in the Championship then so be it. As long as the Americans are forced to sell us at a reasonable price then that's all I care about. Getting these owners out of our club should be the top priority, nevermind a change in manager or playing staff.

Your initial statement made out that whether all of our key players are unhappy is irrelevant.
Rafa has a contract and deserves his massive payout.

To me that's wrong in both areas.
Firstly the key players are more important to me than a manager that has failed.

And to me someone that has failed does not deserve anything like the ridiculous figure he is reported to be entitled to.
Now i am not saying he should just give up whatever he has been told he will get if he is sacked.
Just that i care more about the club than Rafa getting a shedloads of cash like Houllier did to ride off into the sunset with.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:28 am

lakes10 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
lakes10 wrote:the problem is that some mebers were 100% sure Rafa was going to stay at the club, when other members understood that this has been on the cards since before xmas.
like this forum the club has been a total mess sometimes.

No Lakes the problem is last week the man was dancing on the fuc.k.ng stage with like minded reds , who believe in him. rightly or wrongly some of us think he is doing whats right for this club, the man has tried from the beginning in his own way to tell us whats been going on. The man has stood loyal to us ,he could of and should of fecked off long ago with all the sh.ite hes had to put up with, And yet the minute he goes on his holidays the club stab him in the back. by leaking a story. about a board meeting , when was the fecking last time we had a board meeting , There are snides at this club and they need to be outed big time, I feel saddend and ashamed to see my club conduct themselves in this way , I feel ashamed to see this man being treated likethis now,

Thats the fu.cking problem , Liverpool football club need to hang there heads in shame the way they have conducted this whole matter,

no nan the problem is we have a manger that has a net spend of 109mil and won nothing for 4 years.

Tsk Tsk, Lakes, you SSN addict. I just seen that on there too, and it's the biggest tonne of misleading trunks I've seen for some time. The b"stards never go into detail, never go into the facts or do their research. They just go from A to Z to make something look as damning as possible.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:28 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Scottbot wrote:Whilst I have have felt Rafa does not deserve to stay on as manager from a purely footballing perspective I also felt that keeping him on gave us some protection from losing Stevie and Torres. I suspect the bids will come in for both players the moment Rafa leaves and I will be very surprised if the club turn them down. I only hope the club move for a manager with a bit of back-bone who would agree to come ONLY on the proviso that we keep our two best players (or at least Torres). I'd be inclined to go for Martin O'neil if i'm honest.

And there you go people the voice of reason.
What was it he said two weeks ago , I WILL NOT SELL GERRARD OR TORRES WHILE I AM THE MANAGER , yOUS ALL HEARD IT FROM THE MAN HIMSELF, Rafa out of the way its open season on our players

Apart from the O Niel bit, Scott you have nailed it there mate

Was bracing meself for some flack for mentioning O'neil! He's deffo a manager with a bit of backbone though. And anyone coming in is gonna need just that.Whatever happens they have to get someone in IMMEDIATELY, and then they've (the new manager) got to get on the first plane to South Africa and do some serious talking. If they don't i'd say it's nailed on we lose all three of Gerrard, Torres and Masch.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:36 am

Emerald Red wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
lakes10 wrote:the problem is that some mebers were 100% sure Rafa was going to stay at the club, when other members understood that this has been on the cards since before xmas.
like this forum the club has been a total mess sometimes.

No Lakes the problem is last week the man was dancing on the fuc.k.ng stage with like minded reds , who believe in him. rightly or wrongly some of us think he is doing whats right for this club, the man has tried from the beginning in his own way to tell us whats been going on. The man has stood loyal to us ,he could of and should of fecked off long ago with all the sh.ite hes had to put up with, And yet the minute he goes on his holidays the club stab him in the back. by leaking a story. about a board meeting , when was the fecking last time we had a board meeting , There are snides at this club and they need to be outed big time, I feel saddend and ashamed to see my club conduct themselves in this way , I feel ashamed to see this man being treated likethis now,

Thats the fu.cking problem , Liverpool football club need to hang there heads in shame the way they have conducted this whole matter,

no nan the problem is we have a manger that has a net spend of 109mil and won nothing for 4 years.

Tsk Tsk, Lakes, you SSN addict. I just seen that on there too, and it's the biggest tonne of misleading trunks I've seen for some time. The b"stards never go into detail, never go into the facts or do their research. They just go from A to Z to make something look as damning as possible.

whats SSN got to do with my posts?

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:38 am

Very sad day. Welcome to administration and mediocrity.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:38 am

bavlondon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:side note, SG getting off the bus in SA is finding the dancers very funny lol

Whats that got to do with Rafa?

nothing i posted it in the wrong thread, I had just been reading the wc thread and posted but stuck it up in the wrong place, did not know untill you just posted this lol

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:40 am

Scottbot wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Scottbot wrote:Whilst I have have felt Rafa does not deserve to stay on as manager from a purely footballing perspective I also felt that keeping him on gave us some protection from losing Stevie and Torres. I suspect the bids will come in for both players the moment Rafa leaves and I will be very surprised if the club turn them down. I only hope the club move for a manager with a bit of back-bone who would agree to come ONLY on the proviso that we keep our two best players (or at least Torres). I'd be inclined to go for Martin O'neil if i'm honest.

And there you go people the voice of reason.
What was it he said two weeks ago , I WILL NOT SELL GERRARD OR TORRES WHILE I AM THE MANAGER , yOUS ALL HEARD IT FROM THE MAN HIMSELF, Rafa out of the way its open season on our players

Apart from the O Niel bit, Scott you have nailed it there mate

Was bracing meself for some flack for mentioning O'neil! He's deffo a manager with a bit of backbone though. And anyone coming in is gonna need just that.Whatever happens they have to get someone in IMMEDIATELY, and then they've (the new manager) got to get on the first plane to South Africa and do some serious talking. If they don't i'd say it's nailed on we lose all three of Gerrard, Torres and Masch.

Ill guarentee they will stick Kenny in charge mate to to appease the fans , They will know that No one will give Kenny any stick, (well for about 6 months anyway) and then youll have the usual morons crying and shouting about him. and thats what i could take Scott , Then in the quiet 6 month period they will just carry on raping the club, Thers a method in there mate satify the fans shut them up and lets carry on with robbing the club,

by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:41 am

Scottbot wrote:Was bracing meself for some flack for mentioning O'neil! He's deffo a manager with a bit of backbone though.

he's a one trick pony who plays direct, long ball football. 95% of his signings are english (half of whom aren't any good by the way) and are signed on the last day of transfer windows. the guy has no scouting network whatsoever.

apart from that i like him.

by **SeaofRed** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:41 am

Ben Patrick wrote:Your initial statement made out that whether all of our key players are unhappy is irrelevant.
Rafa has a contract and deserves his massive payout.

To me that's wrong in both areas.
Firstly the key players are more important to me than a manager that has failed.

And to me someone that has failed does not deserve anything like the ridiculous figure he is reported to be entitled to.
Now i am not saying he should just give up whatever he has been told he will get if he is sacked.

Just that i care more about the club than Rafa getting a shedloads of cash like Houllier did to ride off into the sunset with.

I have had more than a stomach full of Steven Gerrard if I am honest. He is a fantastic player, but I have made my staunch dislike of him as a person no secret. He is thirty and is nearing the end of his career. If he wants to leave for Real Madrid, I'd let him go.

The same with Carragher he is thirty two and probably has a season or two left playing top flight football, he is already a shadow of the player has was three years ago. If he wants to leave I'd let him pursue a career elsewhere.

Mascherano has fallen out of my good books with his tantrum last summer about not being allowed to leave and his repeated desire to leave the club. Only two weeks ago I read several articles stating that Mascherano and wife are struggling with life in Liverpool and wish to leave with Barcelona being heavily linked. It wouldn't bother me if he left either.

Torres is one player I do want us to keep, but what's the point of having him here when all he seems to do is lay on a treatment table or throw a hissyfit on the pitch when a defender marks him out of the game?

All of these players let the fans down last season and received virtually no criticism on the .tv forums. The hard workers like Lucas and Kuyt received all the criticism while no one really uttered anything about the individuals who really did let the fans down last season.

Also Benayoun can clear off as well, he wants a move to Chelsea let him go, I want players who want to be here and unfortunately, Mascherano, Benayoun and Gerrard have signalled that they are prepared to leave as has Fernando Torres.

As for Benitez, a contract is a contract, if it says £16m then that's what Benitez should get and I hope he holds out for every single penny he is owed.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:45 am

at the end of last year the plan was to be to put Sammy and Kenny in place but only for a very short time if the season was still running.

not sure that will be the case now, a new manager would need to bu players and i dont think Kenny will do that if he is only here for a short time unless the club already have players in mind.

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