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Postby boodiddy1 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:21 am

There is far too much being said on here about the politics of LFC. In regards to them two :censored: off, thats for another day. Today, and the next couple of weeks is about benitez and who we replace him with?
As fans, the majority didnt blame the owners for coming second. Yet, as soon as we play poorly, ON THE PITCH! Its the boardrooms fault. Thats nonsense. Rafa has to take the blame for all our performances on the pitch. The buck stops at him. It was rafa who, persisted with a lucas/masch midfield. A preference to isolate our striker up front. Continue to try to get babel as a left sided winger. Messing about with footballers heads. ( not very hard granted). He isolated riera, benayoun and alonso last season.

Continued with his 66 min substitutions. Never ever got a replacement for torres when injured. Selling Arbeloa for 3m was a grave mistake. Replacing him with a 17m full back that upset the balance of our defence was a poor choice. Johnson is a good player, however, for a player to be able to overlap, a defensive mid has to drop in periodically.

He mis-manged Keane, Alonso, bellamy etc.

The thing in football is sometimes, no matter how good a boss you are, you can become blinded by certain things. Therefore, you can lose direction. Houllier did it after heart scare. Rafa did it, but probably a little slower.

He's a top class coach, but not a top class manager. Certain mangers/coaches need a number two. Rafa originally had paco, not won anything since he left him. He brought in yes men around him. Lee, Pelligrino etc.

Cloughy had a shocker without taylor, brought him onboard and success again. Also, if footballers dont want to play for the manager, then there really is nothing you can do. From park pitches to prem pitches, regardless of being professional or not. They wont play for you! There is the crux.

Ramos lost the players, harry came in and results improved dramatically, even before the transfer window. Sammy had it at Bolton Certain players wouldnt even speak to him! Im afraid the footballers have the power now. Blame Hill for that.

Back on track, whether you are pro or anti, im neither to be honest. I dont hate rafa, however, i feel his methods aren't suited for domestic football here. I really think this could help us out in regards to new ownership, keeping players and ultimately changing our style of play. Be honest with yourselves, our current squad is capable of getting fourth easily. You add one or two players and we capable of getting close to 2nd and 3rd. I mean, add another striker and a freebie (fee wise) like joe cole and you have a squad that is very good.

Look at it: Reina, cavalleri, johnson, kelly, carragher, agger, soto, skrtel, insua, riera, gerrard, mascherano, lucas, babel, yossi, kuyt, pacheco, torres, aquilanni, shelvey, maxi, sterling, jovanovic and whoever else we get?

Is that such a bad squad?
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:21 am

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Emerald Red wrote:You're wrong. Simple as that. You said it doesn't make any sense for them to sell our best players. I just gave you an explanation why it does make sense.

It don't make sense to sell gerrard and Torres for 100 mil would drop the value of the club by double that due to fact you can't replace them.

It doesn't drop the value of the club. Gerrard and Torres are assets. Read what I wrote again.
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Postby 83-1275364913 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:23 am

boodiddy1 wrote:There is far too much being said on here about the politics of LFC. In regards to them two :censored: off, thats for another day. Today, and the next couple of weeks is about benitez and who we replace him with?
As fans, the majority didnt blame the owners for coming second. Yet, as soon as we play poorly, ON THE PITCH! Its the boardrooms fault. Thats nonsense. Rafa has to take the blame for all our performances on the pitch. The buck stops at him. It was rafa who, persisted with a lucas/masch midfield. A preference to isolate our striker up front. Continue to try to get babel as a left sided winger. Messing about with footballers heads. ( not very hard granted). He isolated riera, benayoun and alonso last season.

Continued with his 66 min substitutions. Never ever got a replacement for torres when injured. Selling Arbeloa for 3m was a grave mistake. Replacing him with a 17m full back that upset the balance of our defence was a poor choice. Johnson is a good player, however, for a player to be able to overlap, a defensive mid has to drop in periodically.

He mis-manged Keane, Alonso, bellamy etc.

The thing in football is sometimes, no matter how good a boss you are, you can become blinded by certain things. Therefore, you can lose direction. Houllier did it after heart scare. Rafa did it, but probably a little slower.

He's a top class coach, but not a top class manager. Certain mangers/coaches need a number two. Rafa originally had paco, not won anything since he left him. He brought in yes men around him. Lee, Pelligrino etc.

Cloughy had a shocker without taylor, brought him onboard and success again. Also, if footballers dont want to play for the manager, then there really is nothing you can do. From park pitches to prem pitches, regardless of being professional or not. They wont play for you! There is the crux.

Ramos lost the players, harry came in and results improved dramatically, even before the transfer window. Sammy had it at Bolton Certain players wouldnt even speak to him! Im afraid the footballers have the power now. Blame Hill for that.

Back on track, whether you are pro or anti, im neither to be honest. I dont hate rafa, however, i feel his methods aren't suited for domestic football here. I really think this could help us out in regards to new ownership, keeping players and ultimately changing our style of play. Be honest with yourselves, our current squad is capable of getting fourth easily. You add one or two players and we capable of getting close to 2nd and 3rd. I mean, add another striker and a freebie (fee wise) like joe cole and you have a squad that is very good.

Look at it: Reina, cavalleri, johnson, kelly, carragher, agger, soto, skrtel, insua, riera, gerrard, mascherano, lucas, babel, yossi, kuyt, pacheco, torres, aquilanni, shelvey, maxi, sterling, jovanovic and whoever else we get?

Is that such a bad squad?

Top post back nearly all of it apart from if he had a sit at the back type owner who supported him more it might have made his job easyer and not as distracted with off the pitch politics.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:24 am

If this is definate i am all for a change and have been for some time.
He (imo) has had his chance and we are no closer now to competing than we were when he arrived.

Thanks for some amazing nights and all the hard work but we move on.

Onwards and upwards hopefully.

Lets hope this is the first part of a MAJOR clearout, culminating in the end of the owners.
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Postby 83-1275364913 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:26 am

Emerald Red wrote:
Snake Plissken wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:You're wrong. Simple as that. You said it doesn't make any sense for them to sell our best players. I just gave you an explanation why it does make sense.

It don't make sense to sell gerrard and Torres for 100 mil would drop the value of the club by double that due to fact you can't replace them.

It doesn't drop the value of the club. Gerrard and Torres are assets. Read what I wrote again.

I did read what you said and it don't make sense.They are assets and assets are a key part of the value of any buisness more so in football do you think they would be able to ask for the amount of cash they are asking for the club if they didn't have gerrard and Torres of course not it be much much less 150-200 mill less.

They only asking for 600 mil + because they have best striker and one of best midfielders at the club.

For me (guessing here as only thing we can all do) why they are sacking Rafa is because they fear gerrard and Torres we leave and in such the clubs value will drop so much they be lucky to come off even or even bust in any future takeover deal.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:28 am

Snake Plissken wrote:They only asking for 600 mil + because they have best striker and one of best midfielders at the club.

Ohhhhhhhh please are you for fecking real?

The clubs worth about 300 at a push even with Torres & gerrard.
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Postby 83-1275364913 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:29 am

Ciggy wrote:
Snake Plissken wrote:They only asking for 600 mil + because they have best striker and one of best midfielders at the club.

Ohhhhhhhh please are you for fecking real?

The clubs worth about 300 at a push even with Torres & gerrard.

I know that ciggy you know that but they really think its worth that much.

Imo it be worth 600 only if it was debt free but since it ain't they should be lucky to come off 100 mil in debt greedy :censored:.
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:31 am

Ciggy wrote:
Snake Plissken wrote:They only asking for 600 mil + because they have best striker and one of best midfielders at the club.

Ohhhhhhhh please are you for fecking real?

The clubs worth about 300 at a push even with Torres & gerrard.

I've lost the will to respond. It's way over some people's heads, this.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:31 am

Snake Plissken wrote:I know that ciggy you know that but they really think its worth that much.

FAO of everyone on here this post is from someone who has very close links to our club please read it !!!

I don't think they are really the board of LFC as most people would define "the board". They are administrators in everything but name. The club is effectively in administration.

Why else would we have a feller in Cuban heels appointed by the club's principle creditor to find some dope willing to pay off the debt owed to them by the club? Why else would we have Agent Broughton appointed by another bank, as a condition of the principle creditor's loan extension, to sell the club (or its assets)?

Look at the substance of their roles not fancy titles like MD and Chairman, they're substantially playing out the role of administrators on behalf of RBS.

Let them deny it. Christy Lar works for RBS & Broughton isn't interested in chairing Liverpool, just in his BarCap brief of raising money for RBS through (in the absence of some rich lunatic willing to pay Hicks & Gillett's asking price this side of a forced sale) "disposal of saleable assets".
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:36 am

Ciggy wrote:
Snake Plissken wrote:I know that ciggy you know that but they really think its worth that much.

FAO of everyone on here this post is from someone who has very close links to our club please read it !!!

I don't think they are really the board of LFC as most people would define "the board". They are administrators in everything but name. The club is effectively in administration.

Why else would we have a feller in Cuban heels appointed by the club's principle creditor to find some dope willing to pay off the debt owed to them by the club? Why else would we have Agent Broughton appointed by another bank, as a condition of the principle creditor's loan extension, to sell the club (or its assets)?

Look at the substance of their roles not fancy titles like MD and Chairman, they're substantially playing out the role of administrators on behalf of RBS.

Let them deny it. Christy Lar works for RBS & Broughton isn't interested in chairing Liverpool, just in his BarCap brief of raising money for RBS through (in the absence of some rich lunatic willing to pay Hicks & Gillett's asking price this side of a forced sale) "disposal of saleable assets".

Yep. And I'll harken back to what the bimbo from SSN leaked out of her gob regarding what Broughton said to her. According to her, he said that Torres should be at Spurs, Gerrard will leave, and that it will take us a few years to recover, or some sh*t like that? The more I think about it, the more I think she wasn't telling porkies and that's a very ominious indicator of where we are heading.
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Postby NANNY RED » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:41 am

SSN ARE SERIOUSLY DOING MY HEAD IN , WITH ALL THE TEXTS, HOW MANY OF YOU TW,ATS HAVE EVEN BEEN TO  A GAME, THERE NOT READING ANY TEXTS OR EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE TELLING IT LIKE IT IS,

And then you have the England team landing in SA all the players laughin an talking , but the two and the only to who stood out for me were the only two players on there phones, Carragher and Stevie .
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Postby lakes10 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:44 am

the problem is that some mebers were 100% sure Rafa was going to stay at the club, when other members understood that this has been on the cards since before xmas.
like this forum the club has been a total mess sometimes.

Rafa should never been given the contract he was given, the owners did not take the adive of ML and other when they gave him it, they had the idea that Giving Rafa the long contract would make the club a better buy.

His contract was only ever given to him like that as an aid for them to sell the club.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:47 am

NANNY RED wrote:SSN ARE SERIOUSLY DOING MY HEAD IN , WITH ALL THE TEXTS, HOW MANY OF YOU TW,ATS HAVE EVEN BEEN TO  A GAME, THERE NOT READING ANY TEXTS OR EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE TELLING IT LIKE IT IS,

Some of our fans make think very violent thoughts escpecially them tw@ts emailing SSN Tarquin from Bath best news ever bring in Woy!!!!
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:48 am

lakes10 wrote:the problem is that some mebers were 100% sure Rafa was going to stay at the club, when other members understood that this has been on the cards since before xmas.
like this forum the club has been a total mess sometimes.

Rafa should never been given the contract he was given, the owners did not take the adive of ML and other when they gave him it, they had the idea that Giving Rafa the long contract would make the club a better buy.

His contract was only ever given to him like that as an aid for them to sell the club.

Lakes, Rafa hasn't gone anywhere yet. It's basically up to him to simply get on the phone and say "f*ck off, you c*nts" and hang up. Now, unless the yanks are willing to say "you're fired" then they'll onviously have to cough up 16 million to do so. Otherwise Rafa has them by the balls. Clever Rafa.
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Postby sparkycc » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:51 am

my worry is that the yanks want rafa out so they can sell mash,torres and gerrard, if rafa stays he could because of his 16 million payout if they sack him stop them selling them, but with rafa out of the way they can do what they want and i am sure that means sell sell sell, they are trying to get as much money out of the club before the sell it, unless we have a buyer with a lot of money to throw around  we are in deep sh@t
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