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7_Kewell wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:We are feck all like newcastle and never will be nor will we ever be a shitty no mark club

that's the way i think we're heading under Rafa. For sure the board have a large part to blame, but Rafa has made the situation 10 times worse.

Benny The Noon wrote:Yes two seasons xabi just plodded along to the point where he wasn't even a guarentee starter for periods . The fact no club wanted to pay any sort of decent money for him speaks volumes

Alonso just plodded along 

Alonso had ONE average season...ONE season where he wasn't at his best. Mind you, that ONE season was f**king TEN times better than the Lucas puts out. However, by the time Alonso did hit top form again the damage was done. One of our BEST players who LOVED LIVERPOOL wanted out because the manager he trusted tried to push him out.

As i said, what manager in their right F**king mind would sell alonso and replace him with Barry.

Then, there is the Robbie Keane disaster...but Rafa had an excuse for that. He said it was Garath Barry's fault. 

if i didn't laugh i'd f**king cry

Benny The Noon wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

bigmick wrote:This "I can't believe the insults Rafa is getting" from various quarters is getting a bit tired.

Well i think its out of order that he gets called, a fat spanish tw@t, fat spanish waiter, clueless fecker, mentally disturbed to name just a few insults.

There is no need for it yes he has to take most of the blame for us finishing 7th last season, he made a right pigs ear of the job last season, he failed at his job, but people need to focus on that and cut the insults out and debate how and where it went wrong and not just fly off the handle and dish out abuse with things that have nothing to do with liverpool or even football for that matter.

And lakes needs to stop making things up, I know people who know Rafa personally and I havent heard none of what Lakes says from them, infact its Rafa's wife that doesnt want to leave she loves her house and life in Caldy nothing to do with Rafa wanting his own way with Juve.

I agree.
It is out of order for people to call him names and insult him.
When I question his mentality I am not insulting him. I genuinely believe he has issues. This is been made clear through his decisions this season. Thats why I think hes disturbed. Hes not happy. Hes struggling with the pressure of what he thinks he wants and it seems to be clouding his judgement. I want him to succeed so much it hurts.
I would love nothing better than for him to realise he's fu'cked up royally, accept responsibility and learn from his mistakes. Then he could move forward. But what kind of a person wont or cant do that?

You agree its out of order to insult him yet call him disturbed ?? that is very insulting

I honestly dont call it an insult when you say someone is disturbed.
He is not happy. He has said so. Why is he allegdedly touting his ar'se round Europe? Because hes overjoyed? I think not.
His body language and speech this season has been like someone who is on the edge of a nervous breakdown. He waffles on and grins like a loon on tv. His decisions have been strange to say the least. The man is not content and this has been proven by the tw@t of a season weve just endured. Wheres the light at the end of the tunnel? Wheres the blue skies?
I say again: "I would love nothing better than for him to realise he's fu'cked up royally, accept responsibility and learn from his mistakes. Then he could move forward. But what kind of a person wont or cant do that?"
Can you answer me please?

Calling someone disturbed is an insult and quite a deep one , just because someone is unhappy with things doesn't mean he is disturbed . Yes he prob is unhappy with situation both on and off the field with the club and is expect he is worried about things - who they hell wouldn't . I'm sure every fan is unhappy and worried but I'm pretty sure we aren't disturbed nor looking for a way out

Depends on your definition:
disturb
verb [T]
to cause (someone) to feel troubled or upset

Were all disturbed...

By the way you havent answered my question (again)

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok if xabi was so great when Rafa was looking to sell him why the deck didn't Madrid snap him up at half the price then ?

7_Kewell wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok if xabi was so great when Rafa was looking to sell him why the deck didn't Madrid snap him up at half the price then ?

you seem oblivious to the fact that our 'great' manager would have sold him if they had come in for him.

Alonso, a world class creative midfielder, who would walk into almost any team in the world, was told he wasn't needed because Garath 'the powerhouse' Barry was what we needed. As i said in my above post..Alonso had ONE average season and it was still 10 times better than the sh!t Lucas serves up each week.

Benny The Noon wrote:How the feck do you know he hasn't accept some responsibilty behind the scenes to the players ?! Rafa doesn't have to come out and do stuff just to please you or any other person . Can you tell me why none of the players have come out yet and accepted some responsibilty for the season - especially our captain

Of course they should accept some responsibility
Especially the captain
But the buck has to stop with Rafa the gaffer

Sir Roger wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:How the feck do you know he hasn't accept some responsibilty behind the scenes to the players ?! Rafa doesn't have to come out and do stuff just to please you or any other person . Can you tell me why none of the players have come out yet and accepted some responsibilty for the season - especially our captain

Of course they should accept some responsibility
Especially the captain
But the buck has to stop with Rafa the gaffer

Benny The Noon wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Ok if xabi was so great when Rafa was looking to sell him why the deck didn't Madrid snap him up at half the price then ?

you seem oblivious to the fact that our 'great' manager would have sold him if they had come in for him.

Alonso, a world class creative midfielder, who would walk into almost any team in the world, was told he wasn't needed because Garath 'the powerhouse' Barry was what we needed. As i said in my above post..Alonso had ONE average season and it was still 10 times better than the sh!t Lucas serves up each week.

I'm no oblivious to anything as I agreed at the time with what raga was trying to do . Still haven answered why Madrid didn't go for it if he could walk into any side when he was for sale at half the price they paid ?! Maybe they too had seen how for two years xabi had been way below par

Benny The Noon wrote:Two seasons because after 06 world cup he came back way of form then got injured then when played he was way below form to the point where he was sat on the bench a number of times and then again 07 to 08 when again he was off form and once masher arrived he sat on the bench with gerrard and masher being preffered to him due to not playing well enough .

Still not told me why two years ago when you say he would of walked into any team in the world these top teams weren't bidding for him and didn't want to pay the fee for him when he was available ?

Benny The Noon wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:How the feck do you know he hasn't accept some responsibilty behind the scenes to the players ?! Rafa doesn't have to come out and do stuff just to please you or any other person . Can you tell me why none of the players have come out yet and accepted some responsibilty for the season - especially our captain

Of course they should accept some responsibility
Especially the captain
But the buck has to stop with Rafa the gaffer

So where the calls for them to come out and satisfy the demand for acceptance

7_Kewell wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Two seasons because after 06 world cup he came back way of form then got injured then when played he was way below form to the point where he was sat on the bench a number of times and then again 07 to 08 when again he was off form and once masher arrived he sat on the bench with gerrard and masher being preffered to him due to not playing well enough .

Still not told me why two years ago when you say he would of walked into any team in the world these top teams weren't bidding for him and didn't want to pay the fee for him when he was available ?

and Alonso came back stronger than ever. He didn't moan about being on the bench, he just got down to it and played some great stuff. he was inconsistant for a while, but he was still a great player.

I see you gloss over Rafa's 'cracking' up and the fact he's wasted millions over the 2 last seasons in transfers.

Every time Rafa tries to be clever with the media he makes himself look a prat.