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Postby stmichael » Fri May 07, 2010 11:13 am

s@int wrote:How Rafa Benitez's Liverpool FC reign went wrong
May 6 2010 By Ben Thornley

IN a time of great uncertainty at Anfield the only thing  which appears assured is that Rafa Benitez’s Liverpool reign is coming to a hasty end.
By 2006, Benitez had led Liverpool to glory in the Champions League and the FA Cup while attaining the Reds’ highest ever Premier League points total.
However, after the club’s worst league season since Gerard Houllier’s first at the club and four years without a trophy,    the Spaniard is on the brink.
So, where did it go wrong?

THE YANKS
Tom Hicks and George Gillett  arrived at Anfield in February 2007 vowing to give Benitez the finances to buy the best players in football.
That, however, proved to be just one of the many promises they failed to keep.
Benitez was on the verge of being sacked  by the December with Jurgen Klinsmann lined up as his successor  after the manager made a series of remarks about a lack of transfer funds.
Even before the credit crunch, the Americans were struggling to find the finances to back up their bold words.  Since the global recession they’d do well to get a Burton store card.
In recent transfer windows Benitez has been forced to trade at a profit after the Americans’ financial bungling.
Just as damaging, though, have been the Anfield factions and the toxic relationship between the two owners, their families, chief executives, managing directors and the manager.


THE 2007 ATHENS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL
If Benitez’s victory in Istanbul ensured him legendary status at Anfield, a second Champions League final victory in 2007 would have made him untouchable.
The  brilliance of Steven Gerrard rescued Benitez’s bungling in 2005,  when the manager decided not to use his best defensive midfielder, Dietmar Hamman, to snuff out  the finest trequartista in world football, Kaka.
But even the skipper couldn’t intervene when the Spaniard once more made a hash of it against AC Milan the second time round.
With Carlo Ancelloti’s aged defence vulnerable to height and pace,  tactical genius Benitez left 6ft 7 Peter Crouch and lightening quick Craig Bellamy on the Olympic Stadium bench in favour of Dirk Kuyt, used as a lone striker.
Milan, who triumphed 2-1,  couldn’t believe their luck.
Benitez spent the summer growing a goatee beard.  Liverpool have failed to reach a cup final since. Coincidence?

THE LOSS OF PAKO AYESTERAN AND PACO HERRERA
Both men played a key role in Valencia’s two title triumphs and were highly regarded by the Liverpool boss.
Herrera provided Benitez with tactical insight while Ayesteran was regarded as among the best fitness coaches in the game.
More importantly, though, they were not afraid to tell their friend when he was wrong – and Benitez respected their opinion.
Since their departure the Anfield chief has allowed himself to be surrounded by yes men who have allowed all of his dubious tactical and transfer decisions to go unquestioned.

DIRK KUYT
The Dutchman has contributed  many vital goals, particularly in Europe, since his  signing from Feyenoord  in 2006.
Liverpool,  however, took a significant step back for his arrival when  he replaced Peter Crouch as the Reds’ first-choice striker.
Poor in the air, a miserable first touch and a lack of pace made him ill-suited to either of the striker roles.
That mattered little to Benitez, though. Kuyt’s relentless running and pressing of opponents  made him the boss’ forward of choice, destroying the dynamic of the team and reversing the progress that had been made the season before.
The 29-year-old has successfully reinvented himself as a right winger, but is all too often asked to play as a lone striker in Torres’ absence – a task he lacks the attributes to perform. It has never worked – but that hasn’t stopped Benitez.


TACTICS/ BENITEZ’S CAUTION
Benitez’s command  of English has  improved during his six years at Anfield but his grasp of what it takes to win the English Premier League has  not.
In a division that regularly  sees the champions finish with more than 90 points,  playing for a draw against a team outside of the top four isn’t an option.
Benitez threw away  his and Liverpool’s best opportunity to finally end their title  drought last season by allowing his caution to stifle the Reds.
Had Benitez’s side  turned a handful  of the dreadful draws against the likes of Hull City, Stoke City and Everton into victories, they would have been champions.

4-2-3-1
Benitez’s preferred formation since his Valencia days. It’s merits are obvious – but the dogmatic 50-year-old  often fields players unsuitable for particular  roles   within the system when key men  are unavailable,  rather than switch to  a shape that would better suit his personnel.
And do Liverpool really need two defensive midfield players against the likes of Wolves?


XABI ALONSO/ ALBERTO AQUILANI
Forcing the Basque midfielder’s exit from Liverpool was perhaps the manager’s greatest mistake – an even poorer decision than opting to sign the perennially crocked Alberto Aquilani as his replacement.
Alonso – the Reds’ player of the season in 2008/09 –  was integral to the way Liverpool played, providing Torres and Gerrard with quick possession in dangerous areas of the pitch.
There’s a reason Real Madrid paid £30m for him – he’s the best in the business at what he does.


INJURIES TO TORRES AND  GERRARD
The Anfield boss has been unfortunate in this respect, particularly during the last two seasons.
Some of the worst performances of this period, though, have been delivered with both men in the starting XI.

STRIKER LIGHT
Parting company with  Bellamy and  Crouch rank among the manager’s worst moves  in the transfer market.
Particularly given the injury record of Fernando Torres and the paucity of options last season in the Spaniard’s absence.
Entering the season with just the raw  David Ngog and awful Andriy Voronin as back-up  was criminally negligent.


2008/09 TRANSFER DEALINGS
This was Benitez’s    Houllier 2002 moment.
Summer signings Robbie Keane (£21m), Andrea Dossena (£7m) and Phillip Degen (free)  all failed to make an impact, with Keane and Dossena both failing to last more than  a season.
Degen – who has an injury record that makes  Aquiliani look indestructible   –  too would have been jettisoned if anyone would take him.
It could have been worse. Benitez nearly sold Alonso to Arsenal for £12m – a year before he fetched £30m – and bought Gareth Barry for £20m before the owners and Rick Parry  intervened.
At least they got something right.


THE APPOINTMENT OF EDUARDO MACIA
Liverpool’s chief scout and the man responsible for a series of transfer  disasters, notably  Alberto Aquilani and  Andrea Dossena.
Even if he tells you Lionel Messi is  a decent prospect, get  a second opinion.

Shockingly poor article.

You see it's articles like this which sum up why or fans dislike the "media" in this country.

Half of it is completely inaccurate. I mean if you're going to spout a load of nonsense at least get your facts right.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Fri May 07, 2010 11:13 am

No mate, totally disagree.

Stevie's reaction was utter disbelief.
I am sure he is unhappy with what's on the bench. But i am sure he would have been thinking 'why take him off, when the alternative's not good enough'

I agree about winning the champions league and about getting to the final again being great achievements.
And i am sure the players where well behind the manager then.
But i think he blew that second final, and the fact that Crouch didnt get a look in when we needed goals and we had Kuyt struggling upfront alone says it all about our manager.

Also that was 3 seasons ago now, things change.
I would bet my life that the players would want a change if they were speaking to friends in private.
None of this the players have backed the manager in the press - they always do, as while he is in charge they risk being bombed - see Riera.

In years to come you will read these players books and see they were sick of him by the end of this season, i am convinced.
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Postby stmichael » Fri May 07, 2010 11:29 am

Ben Patrick wrote:No mate, totally disagree.

Stevie's reaction was utter disbelief.
I am sure he is unhappy with what's on the bench. But i am sure he would have been thinking 'why take him off, when the alternative's not good enough'

I agree about winning the champions league and about getting to the final again being great achievements.
And i am sure the players where well behind the manager then.
But i think he blew that second final, and the fact that Crouch didnt get a look in when we needed goals and we had Kuyt struggling upfront alone says it all about our manager.

Also that was 3 seasons ago now, things change.
I would bet my life that the players would want a change if they were speaking to friends in private.
None of this the players have backed the manager in the press - they always do, as while he is in charge they risk being bombed - see Riera.

In years to come you will read these players books and see they were sick of him by the end of this season, i am convinced.

Unfortunately, support for the manager now goes far beyond anything that's going on on the pitch, it's purely political. He's the only one left who gives a monkey's about the club and the fans. If he didn't he'd have walked away from all the nonsense we've had to endure ages ago.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Fri May 07, 2010 11:32 am

bavlondon wrote:Do you not think Rafa would have gone for another established striker if we had money? Do you not think we would have brought David Silva if we had the money?

Rafa is the right man for the job but he needs support from the owners.

Sorry Bav, but it's a No on 3 counts there mate...

I don't think Rafa would ever play with 2 up front, nor would you expect any capable second striker to sit on the bench until such time as Torres is not fit to play (which, concerningly, is happening all too often in recent years). That's why Crouch left, Keane wouldn't play second fiddle, and why we're going to have a serious problem even piqueing the interest of a top striker as long as Rafa sticks with his preferred formation.
No, I don't think he would have signed Silva.
And no, I don't think he's the right man for the job...
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Postby tubby » Fri May 07, 2010 11:41 am

Didn't we play with 2 up front when we had Bellamy? I agree though I don't like this 1 man striker system either.
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Postby aCe' » Fri May 07, 2010 11:45 am

stmichael wrote:Like it or not Rafa Benitez is the only thing holding this Club together. Him going now would only make things significantly worse.

It also does my head in when fans come out with such sh#te cliches as "he's taken the club as far as he can" and "he's lost the dressing room".

On the pitch, i dont think things can get any worse than they were this season.. With the quality of players at the club and the financial ability i think he's massively underperformed this season..

Off the pitch (which i assume is what you meant), i think his contributions are negligible if not negative.. Changing the whole staff, signing a massive contract and not using the money hes been given wisely have all contributed to a) our financial situation not improving and b) us needing money we dont seem to have to get things back on track...

I appreciate that many seem to support him and still believe that he can turn things around on the pitch, but just for the life of me cant seem to understand what it is that hes doing thats so great in terms of trying to push the owners out... Asking for more money ? or maybe running to the media at every chance to complain about the owners ? blaming the board for our performances on the pitch ? wasting big money on players who fail to make an impact and then blaming the playing staff for being inadequate ? The club is already up for sale ffs... the owners want out almost as much as fans want to see them out.. If anything, his media outbursts do the chances of the club being sold more harm than good.. same with his performances on the pitch and his transfer dealings..

PS: It also does MY head in when fans come out with such sh#te cliches as "Benitez is the only thing holding this Club together" and "Him going now would only make things significantly worse.".
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Postby Ben Patrick » Fri May 07, 2010 11:50 am

Great post ace, i am also left scratching my head often reading peoples defence of him.
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Postby stmichael » Fri May 07, 2010 11:56 am

aCe' wrote:
stmichael wrote:Like it or not Rafa Benitez is the only thing holding this Club together. Him going now would only make things significantly worse.

It also does my head in when fans come out with such sh#te cliches as "he's taken the club as far as he can" and "he's lost the dressing room".

On the pitch, i dont think things can get any worse than they were this season.. With the quality of players at the club and the financial ability i think he's massively underperformed this season..

Off the pitch (which i assume is what you meant), i think his contributions are negligible if not negative.. Changing the whole staff, signing a massive contract and not using the money hes been given wisely have all contributed to a) our financial situation not improving and b) us needing money we dont seem to have to get things back on track...

I appreciate that many seem to support him and still believe that he can turn things around on the pitch, but just for the life of me cant seem to understand what it is that hes doing thats so great in terms of trying to push the owners out... Asking for more money ? or maybe running to the media at every chance to complain about the owners ? blaming the board for our performances on the pitch ? wasting big money on players who fail to make an impact and then blaming the playing staff for being inadequate ? The club is already up for sale ffs... the owners want out almost as much as fans want to see them out.. If anything, his media outbursts do the chances of the club being sold more harm than good.. same with his performances on the pitch and his transfer dealings..

PS: It also does MY head in when fans come out with such sh#te cliches as "Benitez is the only thing holding this Club together" and "Him going now would only make things significantly worse.".

Even if you have serious disagreements with his management this year you can't not see that him leaving under the current circumstances would be a disaster surely? The manager is the only thing fighting for us as a football club within the club. He's the only person in a senior position who's primary goal is the same as ours.

With the instability we see around us, the manager staying and keeping his squad together is the best footballing option we have.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Fri May 07, 2010 11:59 am

stmichael wrote:With the instability we see around us, the manager staying and keeping his squad together is the best footballing option we have.

In my opinion the manager staying may make it harder to keep the squad together.

Nor do i trust this manager to make the right signings with the limited funds given in the summer.
We will probably sign another reserve keeper, he loves to do that.
And maybe even another right midfielder.
The fact that we never signed a striker at all last season was just ridiculous.
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri May 07, 2010 12:00 pm

Looking on the bright side, the £4 million pay off Parry got when he was forced out by Rafa would hardly buy a decent full back these days to replace Dossena who we again lost around £4 million on.
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Postby Fauxy » Fri May 07, 2010 12:03 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
stmichael wrote:With the instability we see around us, the manager staying and keeping his squad together is the best footballing option we have.

In my opinion the manager staying may make it harder to keep the squad together.

Nor do i trust this manager to make the right signings with the limited funds given in the summer.
We will probably sign another reserve keeper, he loves to do that.
And maybe even another right midfielder.
The fact that we never signed a striker at all last season was just ridiculous.

I agree. The squad is already beginning to crumble under Rafa.

Riera is on his way out after falling out with him. Babel came very close to walking out. Benayoun has said before he doesnt want to be on the bench so much, which is understandable because he is miles better than Kuyt.

Gerrard and Torres' body language in a few games now suggests that they are fed up with Rafa and his dodgy decisions.
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Postby roberto green » Fri May 07, 2010 12:09 pm

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Postby Judge » Fri May 07, 2010 12:09 pm

stmichael wrote:
s@int wrote:How Rafa Benitez's Liverpool FC reign went wrong
May 6 2010 By Ben Thornley

IN a time of great uncertainty at Anfield the only thing  which appears assured is that Rafa Benitez’s Liverpool reign is coming to a hasty end.
By 2006, Benitez had led Liverpool to glory in the Champions League and the FA Cup while attaining the Reds’ highest ever Premier League points total.
However, after the club’s worst league season since Gerard Houllier’s first at the club and four years without a trophy,    the Spaniard is on the brink.
So, where did it go wrong?

THE YANKS
Tom Hicks and George Gillett  arrived at Anfield in February 2007 vowing to give Benitez the finances to buy the best players in football.
That, however, proved to be just one of the many promises they failed to keep.
Benitez was on the verge of being sacked  by the December with Jurgen Klinsmann lined up as his successor  after the manager made a series of remarks about a lack of transfer funds.
Even before the credit crunch, the Americans were struggling to find the finances to back up their bold words.  Since the global recession they’d do well to get a Burton store card.
In recent transfer windows Benitez has been forced to trade at a profit after the Americans’ financial bungling.
Just as damaging, though, have been the Anfield factions and the toxic relationship between the two owners, their families, chief executives, managing directors and the manager.


THE 2007 ATHENS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL
If Benitez’s victory in Istanbul ensured him legendary status at Anfield, a second Champions League final victory in 2007 would have made him untouchable.
The  brilliance of Steven Gerrard rescued Benitez’s bungling in 2005,  when the manager decided not to use his best defensive midfielder, Dietmar Hamman, to snuff out  the finest trequartista in world football, Kaka.
But even the skipper couldn’t intervene when the Spaniard once more made a hash of it against AC Milan the second time round.
With Carlo Ancelloti’s aged defence vulnerable to height and pace,  tactical genius Benitez left 6ft 7 Peter Crouch and lightening quick Craig Bellamy on the Olympic Stadium bench in favour of Dirk Kuyt, used as a lone striker.
Milan, who triumphed 2-1,  couldn’t believe their luck.
Benitez spent the summer growing a goatee beard.  Liverpool have failed to reach a cup final since. Coincidence?

THE LOSS OF PAKO AYESTERAN AND PACO HERRERA
Both men played a key role in Valencia’s two title triumphs and were highly regarded by the Liverpool boss.
Herrera provided Benitez with tactical insight while Ayesteran was regarded as among the best fitness coaches in the game.
More importantly, though, they were not afraid to tell their friend when he was wrong – and Benitez respected their opinion.
Since their departure the Anfield chief has allowed himself to be surrounded by yes men who have allowed all of his dubious tactical and transfer decisions to go unquestioned.

DIRK KUYT
The Dutchman has contributed  many vital goals, particularly in Europe, since his  signing from Feyenoord  in 2006.
Liverpool,  however, took a significant step back for his arrival when  he replaced Peter Crouch as the Reds’ first-choice striker.
Poor in the air, a miserable first touch and a lack of pace made him ill-suited to either of the striker roles.
That mattered little to Benitez, though. Kuyt’s relentless running and pressing of opponents  made him the boss’ forward of choice, destroying the dynamic of the team and reversing the progress that had been made the season before.
The 29-year-old has successfully reinvented himself as a right winger, but is all too often asked to play as a lone striker in Torres’ absence – a task he lacks the attributes to perform. It has never worked – but that hasn’t stopped Benitez.


TACTICS/ BENITEZ’S CAUTION
Benitez’s command  of English has  improved during his six years at Anfield but his grasp of what it takes to win the English Premier League has  not.
In a division that regularly  sees the champions finish with more than 90 points,  playing for a draw against a team outside of the top four isn’t an option.
Benitez threw away  his and Liverpool’s best opportunity to finally end their title  drought last season by allowing his caution to stifle the Reds.
Had Benitez’s side  turned a handful  of the dreadful draws against the likes of Hull City, Stoke City and Everton into victories, they would have been champions.

4-2-3-1
Benitez’s preferred formation since his Valencia days. It’s merits are obvious – but the dogmatic 50-year-old  often fields players unsuitable for particular  roles   within the system when key men  are unavailable,  rather than switch to  a shape that would better suit his personnel.
And do Liverpool really need two defensive midfield players against the likes of Wolves?


XABI ALONSO/ ALBERTO AQUILANI
Forcing the Basque midfielder’s exit from Liverpool was perhaps the manager’s greatest mistake – an even poorer decision than opting to sign the perennially crocked Alberto Aquilani as his replacement.
Alonso – the Reds’ player of the season in 2008/09 –  was integral to the way Liverpool played, providing Torres and Gerrard with quick possession in dangerous areas of the pitch.
There’s a reason Real Madrid paid £30m for him – he’s the best in the business at what he does.


INJURIES TO TORRES AND  GERRARD
The Anfield boss has been unfortunate in this respect, particularly during the last two seasons.
Some of the worst performances of this period, though, have been delivered with both men in the starting XI.

STRIKER LIGHT
Parting company with  Bellamy and  Crouch rank among the manager’s worst moves  in the transfer market.
Particularly given the injury record of Fernando Torres and the paucity of options last season in the Spaniard’s absence.
Entering the season with just the raw  David Ngog and awful Andriy Voronin as back-up  was criminally negligent.


2008/09 TRANSFER DEALINGS
This was Benitez’s    Houllier 2002 moment.
Summer signings Robbie Keane (£21m), Andrea Dossena (£7m) and Phillip Degen (free)  all failed to make an impact, with Keane and Dossena both failing to last more than  a season.
Degen – who has an injury record that makes  Aquiliani look indestructible   –  too would have been jettisoned if anyone would take him.
It could have been worse. Benitez nearly sold Alonso to Arsenal for £12m – a year before he fetched £30m – and bought Gareth Barry for £20m before the owners and Rick Parry  intervened.
At least they got something right.


THE APPOINTMENT OF EDUARDO MACIA
Liverpool’s chief scout and the man responsible for a series of transfer  disasters, notably  Alberto Aquilani and  Andrea Dossena.
Even if he tells you Lionel Messi is  a decent prospect, get  a second opinion.

Shockingly poor article.

You see it's articles like this which sum up why or fans dislike the "media" in this country.

Half of it is completely inaccurate. I mean if you're going to spout a load of nonsense at least get your facts right.

if the facts were correct, then it wouldnt be nonsense
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri May 07, 2010 12:10 pm

stmichael wrote:Unfortunately, support for the manager now goes far beyond anything that's going on on the pitch, it's purely political. He's the only one left who gives a monkey's about the club and the fans. If he didn't he'd have walked away from all the nonsense we've had to endure ages ago.

i applaud the sentiment but I do doubt the veracity
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Postby roberto green » Fri May 07, 2010 12:11 pm

just been listening to talksport and they said they are getting email after email saying something has happened on merseyside?
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