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by **andy_g** » Mon May 03, 2010 1:53 pm

if we keep the same players and same manager for next season and we have a better season, as some of you predict, will that be enough to keep rafa for even longer? by having a better season we must at least be talking about turning two or three defeats into wins, therefore being 6 to 9 points better off, therefore getting a CL spot. if we can guarantee this for next season and use that as the base for bringing in a good player or two once a season after that, slowly but surely improving as we have been generally doing until this season, do we keep rafa? or is the gamble of throwing out the baby with the bathwater really worthwhile as we get in a new manager with a new 5 year plan?

myself, i lean towards a change of manager, but deep down i am really undecided.

by **lakes10** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:03 pm

the onlly report in the news hubs today about Rafa is that the club are going to have a meeting with him this week, some say its to sack him, some saying its to give him a dressing down about his agent and some say its to talk about funding for players next year.....all a bit mixed right now.

by **Sir Roger** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:08 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:People are really over-reacting with all this doom and gloom talk. The current squad has enough quality to be challenging for the PL and trophies.

100% agree. Far too much wrist slashing going on in here recently. This is the same bunch of players bar two plus two which finished second in the league last season, so we really ought to be able to do better than seventh, four points ahead of the juggernaught more commonly known as Everton.

I'm pretty positive whichever way it goes. Even if Rafa stays (which I think he will) and we don't buy a single player, I think we'll do better next season than this time around for a number of reasons.

1. He surely won't stick with the Lucas/Masherano axis for another season. Stubborn he is, stupid he isn't, and if he alters that little fulcrum of mediocrity then we will instantly become a better team. We have instantly become a better team this season each time he's altered it, so although it's taking a while the penny will eventually drop I'm sure of it.

2. We have been a bit unlucky this season.

3. I fully expect us to actually take the domestic cups seriously next season. You can only win four trophies each year (and had Pompey not been snookered because of paperwork it would only be three next season), so Rafa will put more of his emphasis on the Carling Cup etc. He should too.

If Rafa leaves we will improve because the players will want to play for the new manager.

As the song goes, things can only get better. So put down the razor blades, don't worry about the Roeder/Warnock dream ticket if Rafa leaves, it won't happen.

He persisted with Lucas and Masherano even though a blind man on a galloping horse could see how impotent the pairing was.
Is that just stubborness? If hes not stupid could he be insane?
What justification can someone have for sticking with such a fruitless combination? Do you think wenger or purple nose would have blindly stuck with this dreadful duo?
Of course not.
Only Rafa could and would.

Whilst you 2 may think that some of our best players don't. Does that not mean anything to you?

As the article says we need a new owner with cash to burn and a new stadium. Otherwise we better get used to finishing where we will do this season or worse should we lose anyone significant in the summer.

How about a manager who plays the players in their right positions, picks the best ones and changes his tactics if theyre not working?
How about trying a creative formation and actually motivating players so they want to play for him?
"We need tons of money to buy five new players". This is the easy same old answer trotted out by those unwilling or unable to understand what makes a winning team.
Passion, confidence, ambition, creativity, skill, luck, fluidity, comradery, unity all drawn together by a manager who motivates and inspires.
We dont need a billionaire
We need a great manager

by **Reg** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:13 pm

Isnt it a miracle that despite having a lame and incompetant manager we still came above Everton with Moyes being tipped to take over from SAF and Villa, with MON being tipped to take over from Rafa?

Strange world isnt it.

by **Waldo** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:13 pm

I think we will have new ownership sorted quickly - and I think we have to let Broughton and Purslow do as they have been asked and manage that process (whilst ensuring that sufficient due dilligence is carried out so we don't get clowns buying us again) - and I am quite relaxed about that bit, provided it is done quickly.

I think the debate about the manager is far more of an issue. When you weigh up the potential options we have then the club needs be VERY careful about who it appoints. For me the key (in the short term anyway) is bringing in someone who would convince Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano and Reina to stay and be able to attract the very best players to Anfield.

Mourinho - Would convince Gerrard and Co to stay but I would have concerns about his habit of rolling into clubs, having a very immediate impact on the field and then moving onto his next challenge. You hear very little about him developing players from nobody's to become very good players.

Martin O'Neill - Don't think he would convince Gerrard and Co to stay but would look to re-introduce a british spine to the squad/team which I think we need. He knows how to get the best out of people and is a good motivator of men.

Roy Hodgson - I think he would convince Gerrard and Co to stay and he has proven to be very shrewd with his transfer dealings. I don't know too much about Fulham other than the 1st XI but I like Hodgson. He has proven to be very clever in the transfer market and knows the European scene very well. I think he could do a job for us.

In short I would love Mourinho to become our new manager but I think Hodgson is a more realistic option that I would support.

by **Reg** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:22 pm

With the greatest of respect I think the likes of Gerrard, Carra and Reina would be telling Hodgson the strategy for the european games. He´s had a good run with Fulham but appointing him manager for 1-2 years (age) would be a massive backwards step.

Stevie G is the issue. In retrospect he should have gone to Chelsea 5 years ago but now at 30 he´s blown his chance to win a league medal at Anfield whether Rafa stays or goes, its going to take 3 years to get this side to the Ure/Chelsea standard of consistency - so he may as well bail out now - Milan, Juve etc.. form a queue.

Without Stevie, Anfield would be a different place bearing in mind Carra is in the twilight of his career and Masher doesnt have the carisma to attract other players. If SG goes, what will Torres do?

Bottom line, we need a manager to hold it all together through a VERY difficult period with (hopefully) new owners.

Maureen is the only candidate in my opinion as the likes of Hidink are under contract.

by **Sir Roger** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:24 pm

Reg wrote:Isnt it a miracle that despite having a lame and incompetant manager we still came above Everton with Moyes being tipped to take over from SAF and Villa, with MON being tipped to take over from Rafa?

Strange world isnt it.

If that is our ambition just to finish above them knobs then he is not incompetent. If it is to challenge for the PL then...
By the way only idiots would think the skanks would go for gollum to take over from purple nose.
In his 8 years with the bitters hes won..........erm.......oh thats right: absolutely fu'ck all
Thats exactly the type of man theyll be looking for!
:wwww

by **tubby** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:28 pm

Reg wrote:With the greatest of respect I think the likes of Gerrard, Carra and Reina would be telling Hodgson the strategy for the european games. He´s had a good run with Fulham but appointing him manager for 1-2 years (age) would be a massive backwards step.

Stevie G is the issue. In retrospect he should have gone to Chelsea 5 years ago but now at 30 he´s blown his chance to win a league medal at Anfield whether Rafa stays or goes, its going to take 3 years to get this side to the Ure/Chelsea standard of consistency - so he may as well bail out now - Milan, Juve etc.. form a queue.

Without Stevie, Anfield would be a different place bearing in mind Carra is in the twilight of his career and Masher doesnt have the carisma to attract other players. If SG goes, what will Torres do?

Bottom line, we need a manager to hold it all together through a VERY difficult period with (hopefully) new owners.

Maureen is the only candidate in my opinion as the likes of Hidink are under contract.

Maybe Capello after the world cup or Lippi even.

On the team generally I agree playing players in their right positions with a fresh manager may improve but at the end of the day if we have players saying we need to strengthen and we don't we only risk upsetting them in the long term which will only lead to them leaving. Also that doesn't change the fact that we have no strength in depth so new faces are a must whatever happens.

by **shawnk** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:30 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
Reg wrote:Isnt it a miracle that despite having a lame and incompetant manager we still came above Everton with Moyes being tipped to take over from SAF and Villa, with MON being tipped to take over from Rafa?

Strange world isnt it.

If that is our ambition just to finish above them knobs then he is not incompetent. If it is to challenge for the PL then...
By the way only idiots would think the skanks would go for gollum to take over from purple nose.
In his 8 years with the bitters hes won..........erm.......oh thats right: absolutely fu'ck all
Thats exactly the type of man theyll be looking for!

We are absolutely :censored:

if we think that staying above of some mid table team is some achievement.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:36 pm

andy_g wrote:if we keep the same players and same manager for next season and we have a better season, as some of you predict, will that be enough to keep rafa for even longer? by having a better season we must at least be talking about turning two or three defeats into wins, therefore being 6 to 9 points better off, therefore getting a CL spot. if we can guarantee this for next season and use that as the base for bringing in a good player or two once a season after that, slowly but surely improving as we have been generally doing until this season, do we keep rafa? or is the gamble of throwing out the baby with the bathwater really worthwhile as we get in a new manager with a new 5 year plan?

myself, i lean towards a change of manager, but deep down i am really undecided.

No mate i want a change of manager.
I do believe that we are a far better side than what we have witnessed this season and it is definately not just Rafa's fault for the disaster.
But he hasnt helped things at all.
The decision to leave the squad so short in attacking options and the refusal to accept that Lucas and Mascherano together isnt a good option against sides that we are better than, has cost us our season and a place in the champions league.
Make no mistake this could end up being a major problem for us if Man City get fourth the players they can and will attract will mean they are likely to cement their position there for the foreseeable future.
The players seem disallusioned and like they need someone to come in and inspire them.

I would give anything to get Mourinho but think that its unlikely with the way things are at our club but i want a change without doubt.

by **Reg** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:41 pm

shawnk wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
Reg wrote:Isnt it a miracle that despite having a lame and incompetant manager we still came above Everton with Moyes being tipped to take over from SAF and Villa, with MON being tipped to take over from Rafa?

Strange world isnt it.

If that is our ambition just to finish above them knobs then he is not incompetent. If it is to challenge for the PL then...
By the way only idiots would think the skanks would go for gollum to take over from purple nose.
In his 8 years with the bitters hes won..........erm.......oh thats right: absolutely fu'ck all
Thats exactly the type of man theyll be looking for!

We are absolutely if we think that staying above of some mid table team is some achievement.

We´re talking about managers and those names that have been linked with key jobs at other clubs.....

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:45 pm

Reg wrote:
shawnk wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
Reg wrote:Isnt it a miracle that despite having a lame and incompetant manager we still came above Everton with Moyes being tipped to take over from SAF and Villa, with MON being tipped to take over from Rafa?

Strange world isnt it.

If that is our ambition just to finish above them knobs then he is not incompetent. If it is to challenge for the PL then...
By the way only idiots would think the skanks would go for gollum to take over from purple nose.
In his 8 years with the bitters hes won..........erm.......oh thats right: absolutely fu'ck all
Thats exactly the type of man theyll be looking for!

We are absolutely if we think that staying above of some mid table team is some achievement.

We´re talking about managers and those names that have been linked with key jobs at other clubs.....

Because they have done good jobs at other clubs.
They are at clubs that we always finish higher than. Before Rafa's time as well i mean.
So saying Rafa is a better manager because he finished above them doesnt really wash.
And we are unliklely to finish above villa this season anyway.

by **TonyDP10** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:47 pm

hello guys. if Benitez leaves Who will be the next coach according to you?

by **Sir Roger** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:53 pm

Reg wrote:
shawnk wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
Reg wrote:Isnt it a miracle that despite having a lame and incompetant manager we still came above Everton with Moyes being tipped to take over from SAF and Villa, with MON being tipped to take over from Rafa?

Strange world isnt it.

If that is our ambition just to finish above them knobs then he is not incompetent. If it is to challenge for the PL then...
By the way only idiots would think the skanks would go for gollum to take over from purple nose.
In his 8 years with the bitters hes won..........erm.......oh thats right: absolutely fu'ck all
Thats exactly the type of man theyll be looking for!

We are absolutely if we think that staying above of some mid table team is some achievement.

We´re talking about managers and those names that have been linked with key jobs at other clubs.....

I thought we were talking about Rafa being lame and incompetent...?

by **tubby** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:02 pm

TonyDP10 wrote:hello guys. if Benitez leaves Who will be the next coach according to you?

Have no idea mate. There are not really that many options to be honest in terms of European pedigree and even less in terms of having working in England.

My heart says Rafa but my head says go all out to get Mourinho or Capello.

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