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[ivor_the_injun]

I didn't think he said anything too out of order today to be honest. He was calm in the interviews I saw, and I don't think it's massively controversial for a manager with all his experience to suggest that a pair of blokes that thought the club they bought were called the "Liverpool Reds" may not necessarily know as much as he does about how the football transfer market works.

In all honesty, today I felt a little more easy about the situation. He made a couple of references that won't make headlines about the owners wanting the best for the club, and I heard that as an olive branch to them. Time will tell, but no question that Porto on Wednesday has an added significance.

[roberto green]

I didn't think he said anything too out of order today to be honest. He was calm in the interviews I saw, and I don't think it's massively controversial for a manager with all his experience to suggest that a pair of blokes that thought the club they bought were called the "Liverpool Reds" may not necessarily know as much as he does about how the football transfer market works.

In all honesty, today I felt a little more easy about the situation. He made a couple of references that won't make headlines about the owners wanting the best for the club, and I heard that as an olive branch to them. Time will tell, but no question that Porto on Wednesday has an added significance.

yeah maybe, to be honest rafa said "they don't understand how the transfer market works in europe" and already i have seen this quote twisted to they havent't a clue about football,and expect this to be convienintly mis-quoted in sunday's papers.

[112-1077774096]

benitez wants out and trying to get himslef sacked so he can walk away with the money, why else would he be acting like such a t*t, he is rapidly becoming a new houllier.

today on the touchline he looked like a pikey, obviously trying to make the point that he is coach to G + H as thats what they have told him. the sort of behaviour i would expect in a playground and not form a 47 year old man managing one of the worlds greatest football clubs. rafa needs to wind his neck in, if he continuous with this then he must be looking to get booted

[Kharhaz]

Rafa left Valencia because the board controlled the signings and players to be sold, I think its only natural that hes feeling uneasy. He has a point in that they are not used to how the transfer system works in europe and that they have to act months before a player becomes available. He is though getting more and more public with his views and this isnt going down well with anyone.

[account deleted by request]

My support lies with Rafa, he knows football and seems to have a genuine feeling for our club. No "ands if's or buts" I support Rafa 100% in this arguement with G&H.

[112-1077774096]

but siant if your boss tells you to shut up and concentrate on what you have, then if you continue whinging you have to expect some action from your boss.

if a player was to complain in the papers about rafas methods he would be dropped and drummed out of the club. rafa needs to take a leaf out of his own book, also again i will say the owners have said they will talk in december so i dont see what the problem is

[username]

but siant if your boss tells you to shut up and concentrate on what you have, then if you continue whinging you have to expect some action from your boss.

if a player was to complain in the papers about rafas methods he would be dropped and drummed out of the club. rafa needs to take a leaf out of his own book, also again i will say the owners have said they will talk in december so i dont see what the problem is

The problem is he wants to wrap up deals now, which he cant do if he doesnt know if he has enough money, and if he finds we have a low budget he can start working out selling deals (like carson) now, rather than rushing the sale so he can buy the player he wants, making him lose out in the long term.

and if your boss fires you, its wont affect his business (much). If they sack rafa, there is nothing but problems (team in shock, new playing style to learn, finding a good replacement), look what happened at chelsea, players saying they would follow jose.

[Igor Zidane]

but siant if your boss tells you to shut up and concentrate on what you have, then if you continue whinging you have to expect some action from your boss.

if a player was to complain in the papers about rafas methods he would be dropped and drummed out of the club. rafa needs to take a leaf out of his own book, also again i will say the owners have said they will talk in december so i dont see what the problem is

The thing is pee, if someone came to you as your new boss and who has no experience in the job you do ,and then told you to shut up and do as your told , you i'm sure would have something to say. It's a ridiculouse situation the yanks are putting rafa in.

[account deleted by request]

but siant if your boss tells you to shut up and concentrate on what you have, then if you continue whinging you have to expect some action from your boss.

if a player was to complain in the papers about rafas methods he would be dropped and drummed out of the club. rafa needs to take a leaf out of his own book, also again i will say the owners have said they will talk in december so i dont see what the problem is

No mate, if my boss asks me to do a job and then says.... "I am taking half the responsibility away from you, but you will still get the blame if anything goes wrong". I WOULD DO MORE THAN WHINGE ABOUT IT.

I believe a manager should be allowed to manage, if they just wanted a coach, that should have been spelled out before they took over.

I wasn't very happy when they decided to do a "U" turn on putting the debt against our club after saying that they wern't going to. I am very unhappy with them putting Parry in charge of transfers.

I don't want to slag them off as they are now part of our club so I will leave it at that.

[username]

but siant if your boss tells you to shut up and concentrate on what you have, then if you continue whinging you have to expect some action from your boss.

if a player was to complain in the papers about rafas methods he would be dropped and drummed out of the club. rafa needs to take a leaf out of his own book, also again i will say the owners have said they will talk in december so i dont see what the problem is

The thing is pee, if someone came to you as your new boss and who has no experience in the job you do ,and then told you to shut up and do as your told , you i'm sure would have something to say. It's a ridiculouse situation the yanks are putting rafa in.

If your new boss tells you to press the big red button that says dont not press when he knows nothing about what it does, do you press it? No, hell no

[Kharhaz]

If your new boss tells you to press the big red button that says dont not press when he knows nothing about what it does, do you press it? No, hell no

Thats a bit unfair on the new owners I think. They have sorted out our new stadium. They have bought us new players this season. And they have sorted out the future of Liverpool FC. The talk here is that the new owners know absolutely nothing about how running a sporting business works. They do, and in my opinion, rafa has a good squad to work with,he has signed a lot of young players for the future. Does rafa want to sign new players for the current squad or more young players for the future?

[Igor Zidane]

If your new boss tells you to press the big red button that says dont not press when he knows nothing about what it does, do you press it? No, hell no

Thats a bit unfair on the new owners I think. They have sorted out our new stadium. They have bought us new players this season. And they have sorted out the future of Liverpool FC. The talk here is that the new owners know absolutely nothing about how running a sporting business works. They do, and in my opinion, rafa has a good squad to work with,he has signed a lot of young players for the future. Does rafa want to sign new players for the current squad or more young players for the future?

So what your saying is that ,rafa shouldn't want to sign mascherano ,because the owners have spent enough already . Fair enough i suppose.

[account deleted by request]

I heard Rafa had made a list of five players, Mascherano, a centre back, a striker, and 2 young players (from Argentina I think?)

From where have you heard this mate? Not meaning to sound as a smartarse, but isn't this just the usual internet gossip going merry round? I don't think Rafa would openly state which 5 (!) players he was after.

Only read it on NEWSNOW mate, I don't think there was any names mentioned apart from Maschers, but it sounded pretty reasonable to me. We are short of a centre back, if Crouch goes we are a striker down (and I heard last week off a mate that we were after Aguero again).  2 young argies wouldn't surprise me either.

Fair enough. It's just that as you state yourself it all sounds very plausible, which to me suggests that it might just be some guy speculating about what we need as you and I do (btw I agree about Mascher, a defender and for that matter another striker, if said striker is of better caliber than what we have... don't know about more young foreign imports though really  ). That's not to say that this fella knows anything about it though, he might just be guessing/assuming like ourselves. But let's just wait and see... it's pretty obvious that Rafa wants SOMETHING to happen, on that we can all agree (I think  )

Here's an actual quote from Rafa :-

'They need to understand how difficult it is to sign players. I was trying to explain, now we try to keep focus and win games. We are trying to do the best for the club. We have targets we need to tie up now, if we don't they are likely to cost us more later. I have been told to concentrate on training the players, and that Rick Parry will be in charge of signing people. I have three targets for January, so we shall see.'

Which if you add in the two youth players, comes to the five I was quoting.

[Kharhaz]

If your new boss tells you to press the big red button that says dont not press when he knows nothing about what it does, do you press it? No, hell no

Thats a bit unfair on the new owners I think. They have sorted out our new stadium. They have bought us new players this season. And they have sorted out the future of Liverpool FC. The talk here is that the new owners know absolutely nothing about how running a sporting business works. They do, and in my opinion, rafa has a good squad to work with,he has signed a lot of young players for the future. Does rafa want to sign new players for the current squad or more young players for the future?

So what your saying is that ,rafa shouldn't want to sign mascherano ,because the owners have spent enough already . Fair enough i suppose.

Is this about securing mascheranos contract or other players? From what I gather mascherano can wait until the end of the season. There is no rush to sign him, he will be a Liverpool player until the end of the season. If his price shoots up to a ridiculous amount then that will not be down to rafa, its down to the board for delaying, however I dont think this is down to the mascherano contract.

[Sabre]

Well, the quotes S@int has brought are clear enough. Rafa has spoken clear enough. If he's sácked for being honest, then this club has a problem with the new owners.

I don't think Rafa wants to leave. Even if he was completely removed from taking decissions of signing ups (like in Spain where the coaches have not that much decission power), I think he would stay happily here. If they sack him for saying that, then we have a club ruled by idiots who confuses football with weetabix. White, and in a bottle, milk. It's as simple as that.