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[teamleader1]

Tbh we were really unlucky in alot of games in the first 2 months, moral was sucked dry and then tht made things worse. Without confidence and moral we wernt just unlucky, we played shockingly bad football. We played amazing football at the end of last year so RB is obviously a realy good manager and the system blatently works so why is everyone bitching bout him. Its not like there's a decent replacement out the for him.

Systems may work with one set of players, or for a certain amount of time before teams learn to counteract them.
The problem lies in the fact that Rafa is convinced that Lucas is a perfect shoe in for Alonso
The loss of Alonso has affected the freedom SG got to play up front with Torres
The system now has just reverted into a very negative one.
Now its the managers job to earn his corn when things go wrong, he needs to find a new system that gets the very best out of the squad.
What is not acceptable is Rafa just carrying on as if nothings changed and it will all come good.
He never believed we needed to bring in a class forward and spent the money on an injured MF
n Rafas world if plan A fails revert to plan A.
Be honest, hes showing no sign of taking the team by the scruff of the neck and demanding improvement or changing the style in the search of an answer to this disaster.
His performance has been as bad as any of the players and we cant just watch it week in week out, if Rafa cant hack it then we need to find someone who can.
Daggers would be a good option.
And thats not bitching about Rafa for the sake of it!

[muzza798]

Tbh we were really unlucky in alot of games in the first 2 months, moral was sucked dry and then tht made things worse. Without confidence and moral we wernt just unlucky, we played shockingly bad football. We played amazing football at the end of last year so RB is obviously a realy good manager and the system blatently works so why is everyone bitching bout him. Its not like there's a decent replacement out the for him.

Systems may work with one set of players, or for a certain amount of time before teams learn to counteract them.
The problem lies in the fact that Rafa is convinced that Lucas is a perfect shoe in for Alonso
The loss of Alonso has affected the freedom SG got to play up front with Torres
The system now has just reverted into a very negative one.
Now its the managers job to earn his corn when things go wrong, he needs to find a new system that gets the very best out of the squad.
What is not acceptable is Rafa just carrying on as if nothings changed and it will all come good.
He never believed we needed to bring in a class forward and spent the money on an injured MF
n Rafas world if plan A fails revert to plan A.
Be honest, hes showing no sign of taking the team by the scruff of the neck and demanding improvement or changing the style in the search of an answer to this disaster.
His performance has been as bad as any of the players and we cant just watch it week in week out, if Rafa cant hack it then we need to find someone who can.
Daggers would be a good option.
And thats not bitching about Rafa for the sake of it!

-We've been playing the same system for 5 years so i think teams learnt our tactics like 3 years ago.

-Lucas aint a saint but he can hold the fort. Its just our entire team as underperformed and he is getting the blame. You'll remember him playing when we beat Utd 1-4 away.

-Steve has been playing bad and has no1 to blame other than himslef. Even he's said that.

-Our system is a very offensive 1. We have full backs flying forward, Lucas is joining the attack and the front 4 are constantly swapping possitions and playing freely.

-If we changed the way we play it would be very likely we would do worse. When the brown stuff hits the fan stick to what works and what got us 2nd last season.

-Rafa can only do so much. We have the same squad pretty much as last year and they simply havnt been performing which isnt getting results which inturn drags on confidence.

-The reason were doing badly is just that other teams have got better. Tottenham have signed 4 orr 5 top class players. Man City have improved aswell as Villa. On top of that were conceeding rediculous goals like against Birmingham then pounding their box for 85 mins and coming away with a point. Whilst that is happening Utd are winning games in the 96th minute and wining games in the last 5mins from own goals. Believe me, Man Utd have been playing alot worse than us.

[KennyisGod....still]

i got alot of sympathy for any1 that sees both sides of the arguement, Teamleader you seem both enlightened and p1$$t off whereas some here blindly see nothin but $h1t evry post they put up.

this is by far th worst i'v known Liverpool fans go against their manager, partly cuz i'm an OOTer i guess an also cuz this medium of contact wasn't available when Souness held office! however it does only encompass a fraction of match day at Anfield, and as yet there aint been no immense vocals in th ground has there?

i cant help thinkin that with better owners we wudn be in quite th mess we're in now team-wise/squad-wise and wud av a far better bench an back up. whether we'd still hav Rafa is anybody's guess, i see the likes of Abramovich dont let the hot seat warm up too much under any particular manager does he?

[teamleader1]

i got alot of sympathy for any1 that sees both sides of the arguement, Teamleader you seem both enlightened and p1$$t off whereas some here blindly see nothin but $h1t evry post they put up.

this is by far th worst i'v known Liverpool fans go against their manager, partly cuz i'm an OOTer i guess an also cuz this medium of contact wasn't available when Souness held office! however it does only encompass a fraction of match day at Anfield, and as yet there aint been no immense vocals in th ground has there?

i cant help thinkin that with better owners we wudn be in quite th mess we're in now team-wise/squad-wise and wud av a far better bench an back up. whether we'd still hav Rafa is anybody's guess, i see the likes of Abramovich dont let the hot seat warm up too much under any particular manager does he?

Not to sure about the enlightened bit, but defo pi.ssed off m8.
I can agree up to a point about how good the squad would be without these owners (I put the blame for them squarely on Moores & Parrys shoulders - Put personal greed before the club in my opinion)
But Rafa chooses the transfer targets, Tactics and team selections, and that's what he must be judged on.
As for dissent on match day, the groans about the line up, tactics and substitutions are growing louder as time goes by.
Don't get me wrong when I take my seat I support and encourage every player who pulls a red shirt on.
But like many I'm more often than not these days baffled by Rafas judgement.
Hes given us some great memories that we will always be grateful for, But memories wont help us turn this around.
I just feel that Rafa has shown so many bad judgements, and his total refusal to recognise his own shortfalls and at least try to find an alternative way, makes me feel strongly that at this moment in time we need to bring in someone with new ideas that will hopefully lift the players and fans alike and get us back on track.
I hope Rafa proves me wrong, but sadly I don't think he will.

[lakes10]

Tbh we were really unlucky in alot of games in the first 2 months, moral was sucked dry and then tht made things worse. Without confidence and moral we wernt just unlucky, we played shockingly bad football. We played amazing football at the end of last year so RB is obviously a realy good manager and the system blatently works so why is everyone bitching bout him. Its not like there's a decent replacement out the for him.

Totally agree mate and when you ask the Rafa bashers who we would replace him with they are hard stretched to answer that question.

mon or jm

[roberto green]

Tbh we were really unlucky in alot of games in the first 2 months, moral was sucked dry and then tht made things worse. Without confidence and moral we wernt just unlucky, we played shockingly bad football. We played amazing football at the end of last year so RB is obviously a realy good manager and the system blatently works so why is everyone bitching bout him. Its not like there's a decent replacement out the for him.

Totally agree mate and when you ask the Rafa bashers who we would replace him with they are hard stretched to answer that question.

mon or jm

MON-No way the only thing I like of what he gives the players is his passion but when it comes to tactics etc he will be left wanting.

JM-Yeah he is about the only manager I would like to see here if Rafa had to go.

[Greavesie]

i'm not Rafa's biggest fan but some of the drivel in the match thread is absolutely unbelievable

[Avi Cohen]

Sack him. For the love of God, sack him.

I think Fifa should intervene and ban him from football... for the love of the sport.   If Rafa is successful that negative, methodical, football-by-numbers approach will be copied and copied and soon football will be mind-numbingly boring.

[Greavesie]

Sack him. For the love of God, sack him.

I think Fifa should intervene and ban him from football... for the love of the sport.   If Rafa is successful that negative, methodical, football-by-numbers approach will be copied and copied and soon football will be mind-numbingly boring.

stop embarassing yourself

[teamleader1]

i'm not Rafa's biggest fan but some of the drivel in the match thread is absolutely unbelievable

Ok then; Hes fkn brilliant, nothings ever his fault so we must all follow him blindly to the promise land

ps;
What part of his grand scheme was this latest tactical masterclass?
Insua was having a mare, so why was Aurelio taken off? simple enough to drop him back!

Reading out played, out fought and out thought us, we are lucky to still be in it 

[Effes]

We've been poor for a long time.

When it's the odd match, blaming the players rather than the manager is fine.

But when it is the majority of the time, the manger gets the blame without doubt.

Forget talking about sacking him - I'm talking just about criticising him which is totally justified IMO.

The old argument of "Oh right then, what would you have done differently?" is bollox aswell -
I'm talking about man-management, motivation and all the interpersonal skills that I don't think
Rafa possesses.

We'll probably win the replay - but if we get someone like Sunderland away in the next
round - do you really think we will get through based on our current form?

[Yea, we won away at Villa, but it Im talking about form over a substantial number of games]

The manager needs to start thinking outside his box, otherwise it could be our worst
season since when Souness was in charge.

[The Good Yank]

We've been poor for a long time.

When it's the odd match, blaming the players rather than the manager is fine.

But when it is the majority of the time, the manger gets the blame without doubt.

Forget talking about sacking him - I'm talking just about criticising him which is totally justified IMO.

The old argument of "Oh right then, what would you have done differently?" is bollox aswell -
I'm talking about man-management, motivation and all the interpersonal skills that I don't think
Rafa possesses.

We'll probably win the replay - but if we get someone like Sunderland away in the next
round - do you really think we will get through based on our current form?

[Yea, we won away at Villa, but it Im talking about form over a substantial number of games]

The manager needs to start thinking outside his box, otherwise it could be our worst
season since when Souness was in charge.

Great post Effes, I will say one thing though, I think this season is already worse, given the expectations of course.

[lakes10]

I think this sums up why Rafa should go

from the BBC

Championship strugglers Reading deservedly forced a replay against Liverpool after an entertaining and finely balanced FA Cup third-round tie at the Madejski Stadium.

Reading have won only five of their 24 Championship fixtures and are 20th in the table after a disappointing season that saw them recently part company with manager Brendan Rodgers.

But the Royals, thrashed 4-1 at Plymouth on Monday, had spells when they were the superior side against a Liverpool team determined to prosper in the competition after their elimination from the Champions League and travails in the Premier League.

[Greavesie]

i'm not Rafa's biggest fan but some of the drivel in the match thread is absolutely unbelievable

Ok then; Hes fkn brilliant, nothings ever his fault so we must all follow him blindly to the promise land

ps;
What part of his grand scheme was this latest tactical masterclass?
Insua was having a mare, so why was Aurelio taken off? simple enough to drop him back!

Reading out played, out fought and out thought us, we are lucky to still be in it 

fk me your post above is so OTT it's ridiculous. Your ciriticising of rafa is justified but some of your comments borderline pure hatred for the man. If you've read my posts recently I'm begginning to believe that rafa is the wrong man for the job but just spouting pure and utter tripe about Rafa gets my back up.

[Emerald Red]

Sack him. For the love of God, sack him.

I think Fifa should intervene and ban him from football... for the love of the sport.   If Rafa is successful that negative, methodical, football-by-numbers approach will be copied and copied and soon football will be mind-numbingly boring.

Avi, how can you go from being one of the more balanced posters on here to writing sh*te like that? Really.