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[teamleader1]

With all the Euphoria that hit us after the Villa match ,i was reminded how bad Rafa is doing while following Manure and Assnail games ,all the new names they are featuring look so promising and talented compared to ours ,the system they are running there is working all the time, While Rafa is battling desperately to get his 22mil signing fit for action they are bringing players for the next decade ,that is the main reason Rafa should bid us farewell at the end of this season - he offers us no continuity no prospect no system which can lead us onwards - 5 years later Liverpool under Rafa has no solid foundation - that's failure in my book.

Sadly this is all true
Even if Rafa manages to get us 4th spot its of little comfort, we need new blood in to manage, we are desperate for someone with fresh ideas who will gel a team together.
We are less of a settled side now than when he took over.

[Emerald Red]

With all the Euphoria that hit us after the Villa match ,i was reminded how bad Rafa is doing while following Manure and Assnail games ,all the new names they are featuring look so promising and talented compared to ours ,the system they are running there is working all the time, While Rafa is battling desperately to get his 22mil signing fit for action they are bringing players for the next decade ,that is the main reason Rafa should bid us farewell at the end of this season - he offers us no continuity no prospect no system which can lead us onwards - 5 years later Liverpool under Rafa has no solid foundation - that's failure in my book.

Sadly this is all true
Even if Rafa manages to get us 4th spot its of little comfort, we need new blood in to manage, we are desperate for someone with fresh ideas who will gel a team together.
We are less of a settled side now than when he took over.

And the Man U/Arsenal w@nkfest continues...on a Liverpool forum no less.

[teamleader1]

With all the Euphoria that hit us after the Villa match ,i was reminded how bad Rafa is doing while following Manure and Assnail games ,all the new names they are featuring look so promising and talented compared to ours ,the system they are running there is working all the time, While Rafa is battling desperately to get his 22mil signing fit for action they are bringing players for the next decade ,that is the main reason Rafa should bid us farewell at the end of this season - he offers us no continuity no prospect no system which can lead us onwards - 5 years later Liverpool under Rafa has no solid foundation - that's failure in my book.

Sadly this is all true
Even if Rafa manages to get us 4th spot its of little comfort, we need new blood in to manage, we are desperate for someone with fresh ideas who will gel a team together.
We are less of a settled side now than when he took over.

And the Man U/Arsenal w@nkfest continues...on a Liverpool forum no less.

Silly talk m8

Who the fk do you compare yourselves to if not your competitors?
Recognising good football and management is not as you put it 'a w@nkfest'
Rafas had over 5 years and we are watching complete sh.ite week in week out without any sign of him turning it around.
Hes had more than enough time and money to have at least a semblance of a plan B
Do you really think the likes of myself get any kind of joy seeing him fail and watching my club decline in front of me?
For the greater good of LFC he MUST go (sooner rather than later)

[KennyisGod....still]

With all the Euphoria that hit us after the Villa match ,i was reminded how bad Rafa is doing while following Manure and Assnail games ,all the new names they are featuring look so promising and talented compared to ours ,the system they are running there is working all the time, While Rafa is battling desperately to get his 22mil signing fit for action they are bringing players for the next decade ,that is the main reason Rafa should bid us farewell at the end of this season - he offers us no continuity no prospect no system which can lead us onwards - 5 years later Liverpool under Rafa has no solid foundation - that's failure in my book.

Sadly this is all true
Even if Rafa manages to get us 4th spot its of little comfort, we need new blood in to manage, we are desperate for someone with fresh ideas who will gel a team together.
We are less of a settled side now than when he took over.

And the Man U/Arsenal w@nkfest continues...on a Liverpool forum no less.

Silly talk m8

Who the fk do you compare yourselves to if not your competitors?
Recognising good football and management is not as you put it 'a w@nkfest'
Rafas had over 5 years and we are watching complete sh.ite week in week out without any sign of him turning it around.
Hes had more than enough time and money to have at least a semblance of a plan B
Do you really think the likes of myself get any kind of joy seeing him fail and watching my club decline in front of me?
For the greater good of LFC he MUST go (sooner rather than later)

if u wanna recognize good football then fine, but recognize too that whiskeynose took considerably longer than 5 yrs t win th prem an wenger's done very little of late too.....

u can question th money Rafa's had, but also question th fact we've been forced t sell our 1st team players, not bench warmers, t get where we are now, an if that dont hinder a 'Plan B' then what th feck does?

[teamleader1]

'Forced'
Who has he actually sold that he hadn't already isolated or treated in a shabby way?
Is he forced to play negative tactics?
Is he forced to stick to a game plan that's not working for 65 minutes before attempting any plan B?
Is he forced to have 11 men defending every corner?
Is he forced to keep playing zonal marking when its obvious everyone has it sussed?
Rafa is the last person to be forced into doing anything, but he has no problem forcing us into watching the above!

[Sir Roger]

'Forced'
Who has he actually sold that he hadn't already isolated or treated in a shabby way?
Is he forced to play negative tactics?
Is he forced to stick to a game plan that's not working for 65 minutes before attempting any plan B?
Is he forced to have 11 men defending every corner?
Is he forced to keep playing zonal marking when its obvious everyone has it sussed?
Rafa is the last person to be forced into doing anything, but he has no problem forcing us into watching the above!

Sadly there are more negatives than positives regarding Rafas decisions

[KennyisGod....still]

I'll refer back to my post from a wile back and say again....

so many have th questions, I'm not seein any honest, viable, plausible an possible answers! we cant afford t sack Rafa, we sure as hell cant afford t then let th backroom staff be replaced by another (big money contract) manager, an th big men with th purse strings dont seem inclined t loosen them.

So, any constructiv ideas? i sure as hell dont hav any answers, aint ashamed t admit it. u think we can influence them pair over th pond? good luck tryin, cuz it wont appen will it? we'll av t keep sellin 1st teamers an neglectin th squad til we hit on a player of Ronaldo's value where we can finance 2 or 3 signins off th back of him. is that th fault of Rafa Benitez?

[Effes]

Can't help but think how this season is only half done.

If we go on a good cup run, be it FA Cup or Europa League, we could find
ourselves in a Cup Final.
A day out for the fans is not to be scoffed at.

A lot can happen between now and May.

[teamleader1]

I'll refer back to my post from a wile back and say again....

so many have th questions, I'm not seein any honest, viable, plausible an possible answers! we cant afford t sack Rafa, we sure as hell cant afford t then let th backroom staff be replaced by another (big money contract) manager, an th big men with th purse strings dont seem inclined t loosen them.

So, any constructiv ideas? i sure as hell dont hav any answers, aint ashamed t admit it. u think we can influence them pair over th pond? good luck tryin, cuz it wont appen will it? we'll av t keep sellin 1st teamers an neglectin th squad til we hit on a player of Ronaldo's value where we can finance 2 or 3 signins off th back of him. is that th fault of Rafa Benitez?

The problem is we cant afford to keep him!
If we carry on as we are we will be a mid table club within 1/2 seasons, and god knows where we go from there.
Rafa is showing a very worrying lack of ideas, he himself looks lost.
There is no excuses for his negative style of play, his total obsession with certain below standard players and systems.
Hes brought in some great players, but also a lot of rubbish.

Hes now looking to get in a loan forward to help us out of this mess, FFS we all knew we needed one last summer!
Instead of wasting the money on an injured MF why the fk didn't he just drop SG back and buy a decent forward?
Its not fkn rocket science!
Rafa told us all that he has quality in Voronin, who has been scoring at a good level in Germany
Is this the same Voronin that's already been banished from the squad and is up for sale?
I hate the owners with a vengeance, but this mess is down to Rafa, hes ran out of ideas and cant take us anywhere but down.
And please dont make comparisons with Fergie after 5yrs, lets compere him with Wenger instead!
Wake up, hes not good enough to take us forward, but given time he will take us down once the good players leave.

Happy New Year

[KennyisGod....still]

never said we could or couldnt afford to keep him, jus we are where we are mate.

problem we got is th 'owners' dont seem that concerned, aint no noise comin from the states is there? their 'investment' aint worth what it was a wile ago, it aint gonna improve much in the near future an they aint prepared to put money in..... where do we go?

all i'm askin is ppl see sense, quit dreamin of 'who's gonna take the bridge an move us on' when the whole scenario seems way too far off to be possible this side of humpty an dumpty sellin up.

as for ideas.... we hav a team full of internationals, grown men with - allegedly - good football brains. they may well be told how to play, but are you really tellin me they cant use their own initiative? that pompey game was a disgrace, the majority of the players seemed not to be bothered. the age old adage 'once they cross that white line.....' never seemed quite so apt. the initial game plan, substitutions, maybe bawlin from th side is down to Rafa, but they aint robots. if they cant use a lil nous then theyre in th wrong job. Rafa cant make them show heart, battle for evry ball, compete like we know they can if th will aint there in th first place. an it aint jus lucas, some games this season its been captain fantastic too along with the rest of th first team.

to improve that first team we hav to sell. pick who u wanna leave. then put a realistic price on their head. once u'v done that take a look at th transfer market. ur not gonna get much, if any, financial assistance outta tit an tw@ so buy accordingly. how many more ex-SPL CB's do u want? is that gonna strengthen th squad? indeed to raise any serious money (in due thanx to our 'owners') we're probly gonna hav to sell a 1st team player. is that gonna benefit the squad?

i dunno, mayb i got th wrong end of the stick, mayb this forum is only bein used by fans wantin Rafa out, but so far as i can see as long as H & G remain, then we hav Rafa - like it or not. face it, if he was gonna be sacked there'd be some1 in now, with a full month of potential transfer activity to get on with.

your point on we bought a midfielder..... did we not lose the lynchpin of last season? do we really think we cudda gone the whole season without a replacement? an yes, Xabi's goin may hav been initiated by RB but then we return to the money issue.....to raise transfer money he HAS TO SELL A GOOD PLAYER!
Voronin - came on a free cuz there was no money available, we wer probly payin so much to his wages wile he was in germany (wher he did score goals, no arguement there) but they didn wanna buy him. We had a situation where Benitez had to make do with what cash he'd got an he chose t buy Johnson. Johnson initially started well, even scored so evry1 was  at least a lil happy with that, an hopefully Voronin could continue his efforts in germany over here. no such luck, when he has played it aint been pretty. but without th cash, where's the next move? Ngog.... done remarkably better than Voronin, which could be a hindrance long term cuz the business men see a striker that can score so guess what.... no money forthcomin on that one neither.

as for dont make comparisons with ferguson....why th f not? "if you cant make comparisons with your competitors....." i believe was th question. Rafa came into a club devoid of any guidance. He issued his '5 year plan' an now evry1 wants to hold him to that. I dont hav many issues with that, after all u shudnt promise if u cant deliver, but th goalposts got somewhat changed durin that 5 yrs. up the road at OT fergusons had support from his board almost unanimously from what i can make out. yeah, rumours about bein 1 game away from th sack an all that, but he got through it. we - in my opinion - are somewhere near that one game away from the sack but with one massive difference - WE CANT AFFORD TO DO IT. Liverpool languishin in th lower reaches of th PL aint gonna affect th yanx valuation that much. there's talk they only wanted us for th tv rights anyway, as thats th big money earner. do u see the crowds dwindlin? do u see less money comin in? we jus signed a huge sponsorship deal didnt we? when this all boils down it comes to th fact that we aint in pure sport anymore, we're in a business - an we're run by business men that dont hav th heart o this club in their concerns. so they aint gonna sack Rafa Benitez. Regardless.

[teamleader1]

Kennyisgod
Good points made, as depressing as they are, I cant argue with most of them.
But compounding these problems with a manager who seems to be skipping along happily on planet Rafa without a clue is beyond belief to me.
It will be the fans who will eventually get him out, its got all the hallmarks of the Houlier exit.
His shortcomings on the pitch and in recruitment are there for all to see.
Do you really think that any decent manager wouldn't be able to get more out of the squad even as it stands?

[KennyisGod....still]

hey, I'm not puttin forward a case for th defence, jus seein it as i see it mate.
H & G simply dont see things th way we do, an i doubt they ever will.
th football we saw at the end of last season was in th main awesome, even that damn 4-4 with the goonies - wow what a game, worth a season ticket almost on its own, an yes this season its in th main bloody awful but it dont seem to bother them.
I wrote somewhere else 'wud u walk out on when u hav a 20 mill contract they'd av t pay if they sacked u?' an i remain at that statement my friend. we all know RB is as stubborn as they come, an mayb his negativ stuff is a throw back to H & G for not lettin him loose t dabble an improve th squad. then again I understand he used these methods an won th primera league in Spain so mayb it aint. all i know is we aint gonna see th back of him, an i doubt fans pressure'll make a jot of difrence to them 2 stateside. all they see is cash. then cash. an in the background..... cash. they wont spend their own money, jus burden th club with debt, we all know we aint gonna get substantial amounts of money now or seasons end (at least thats my opinion) so with what we hav can we play expansiv attackin football when th 2 players we rely on most are either still sufferin or jus gettin over groin injuries they've had most of the season?

Benitez made 1 mistake when he bought success here in his first year, an so many ppl then became fans of this awesome institution most of us love dearly. i have absolutely no doubt that he feels th same about the team/city and ppl but there's alotta ppl out there wanted that success to jus carry on happenin and without bein able to keep first teamers and build on em it was destined to fail.

theres also th press bolox tryin desperately to undermine him which merely drives others to feel th same way. our actual league losses are jus a couple behind utd's, but is any1 tellin ferguson he cud be due th chop? what hav arsenal done lately? any1 mountin a campoaign against wenger? but becuz papers like the *** an th NOTW dont sell in Liverpool they can almost write what they want an lose no extra sales. they cant do that about certain other individuals/clubs an get off scot free. even sky hav jumped that particular bandwagon, an by god i'd love to (somehow, tho i find it hard t believe it cud happen) see us finish in th top 3 above one of our main rivals an hav that tw@ interview Rafa that got knocked back after th villa game.

all in all, i stand by him. purely cuz of THAT night in istanbul an becuz i see no other way in th near future anythin will change. he believes in his players. or at least publicly he does becuz thats all he has. an i believ in him, becuz he's all we have.

[teamleader1]

hey, I'm not puttin forward a case for th defence, jus seein it as i see it mate.
H & G simply dont see things th way we do, an i doubt they ever will.
th football we saw at the end of last season was in th main awesome, even that damn 4-4 with the goonies - wow what a game, worth a season ticket almost on its own, an yes this season its in th main bloody awful but it dont seem to bother them.
I wrote somewhere else 'wud u walk out on when u hav a 20 mill contract they'd av t pay if they sacked u?' an i remain at that statement my friend. we all know RB is as stubborn as they come, an mayb his negativ stuff is a throw back to H & G for not lettin him loose t dabble an improve th squad. then again I understand he used these methods an won th primera league in Spain so mayb it aint. all i know is we aint gonna see th back of him, an i doubt fans pressure'll make a jot of difrence to them 2 stateside. all they see is cash. then cash. an in the background..... cash. they wont spend their own money, jus burden th club with debt, we all know we aint gonna get substantial amounts of money now or seasons end (at least thats my opinion) so with what we hav can we play expansiv attackin football when th 2 players we rely on most are either still sufferin or jus gettin over groin injuries they've had most of the season?

Benitez made 1 mistake when he bought success here in his first year, an so many ppl then became fans of this awesome institution most of us love dearly. i have absolutely no doubt that he feels th same about the team/city and ppl but there's alotta ppl out there wanted that success to jus carry on happenin and without bein able to keep first teamers and build on em it was destined to fail.

theres also th press bolox tryin desperately to undermine him which merely drives others to feel th same way. our actual league losses are jus a couple behind utd's, but is any1 tellin ferguson he cud be due th chop? what hav arsenal done lately? any1 mountin a campoaign against wenger? but becuz papers like the *** an th NOTW dont sell in Liverpool they can almost write what they want an lose no extra sales. they cant do that about certain other individuals/clubs an get off scot free. even sky hav jumped that particular bandwagon, an by god i'd love to (somehow, tho i find it hard t believe it cud happen) see us finish in th top 3 above one of our main rivals an hav that tw@ interview Rafa that got knocked back after th villa game.

all in all, i stand by him. purely cuz of THAT night in istanbul an becuz i see no other way in th near future anythin will change. he believes in his players. or at least publicly he does becuz thats all he has. an i believ in him, becuz he's all we have.

I'm under no illusions about them pair of no-marks and I also think Rafa has got the club at heart.
But I also think he could have done much better with what hes had,
Hes made and is still making some very strange team selections.
Hes very negative both home and away.
I would love to see him succeed, but sadly hes been found wanting in many areas.
His handling of things since Alonso, has left a lot to be desired.
He just seems to have no idea how to steady the ship.
I think we are in crisis throughout the club and really need a manager who can get the very best out of the squad.
Sadly that's not Rafa in my book.

[muzza798]

Tbh we were really unlucky in alot of games in the first 2 months, moral was sucked dry and then tht made things worse. Without confidence and moral we wernt just unlucky, we played shockingly bad football. We played amazing football at the end of last year so RB is obviously a realy good manager and the system blatently works so why is everyone bitching bout him. Its not like there's a decent replacement out the for him.

[roberto green]

Tbh we were really unlucky in alot of games in the first 2 months, moral was sucked dry and then tht made things worse. Without confidence and moral we wernt just unlucky, we played shockingly bad football. We played amazing football at the end of last year so RB is obviously a realy good manager and the system blatently works so why is everyone bitching bout him. Its not like there's a decent replacement out the for him.

Totally agree mate and when you ask the Rafa bashers who we would replace him with they are hard stretched to answer that question.