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Postby Sir Roger » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:29 am

Kerry07 wrote:
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Kerry07 wrote:Wow wow wow... i didnt say he has Aspergers syndrome, i said signs of it (ie.there are varying degrees)..poor interaction with others and his environment, repetitive comments, not being on the same page in conversations (geez open your ears in his interviews)... he undoubtedly is a very distant person, little emotion, and sees things in black and white. I ask people... name me another manager in the history of football who doesnt celebrate their team scoring??...EVER. When Gerrard hammered home vs Olympiakos, 45,000 went nuts, while he didnt flinch, this aint normal.

The language i used wasnt over dramatic. Anyone who has read the stuff about him as a kid and how his father told him it was ok to cry when he got hurt (but he still didnt), would understand. Because his mind is not clogged up with emotion, he has more capacity for statistics and analysis (this is a trait of the Chinese)...and as a kid he played a tactic board game and destroyed everyone he played. He is renowned as one of the weakest manmanagers in the game because he has no people skills...Gerrard "maybe i will get a well done out of him one day", Carra "whatever you tell Rafa hes done it better", Torres being congratulated on his kid by everyone bar Rafa who came up to him an instead talked about a near post run from the previous game, Alonso "we had a working relationship" who was disgracefully treated on the issue of wanting to see his son born, Pako ran off as he couldnt work with the man, Ballague stating "rafa has a short life cycle with players before they run out of patience with him", All the commentators when we score "come on smile Rafa", and at both Valencia and Liverpool he has dictated that he runs the entire club... Valencia he left, at Liverpool he got his demands... and we are the ONLY club where this is the case. Control freak.

He is a very black and white strategic type person, very little emotion. This is why he has been immensely successful in many tactical battles in the Champions League...(ie.over Mourinho) because his mind is free from any emotional stuff, so has a greater capacity to think tactics, stats, strategy. While this is a great advantage in terms of outsmarting his opponent, the disadvantage is not having the emotional side (ie,good manmanagement, motivational, come on guys) that top coaches have in being able to inspire. This eventually alienates people as Rafa is so good at doing.

i am crying laughing reading this  :laugh:



If only Rafa cried when he was a kid more  :D

He has no tear ducts.  :laugh:

Yes the psycho analysis (Freudian) does seem extreme, as football is predominantly discussed on a basic level of .."hes sh*t"... "why do we play 4-5-1"...."that ref is a cheating w*nker"... "f*ck off yanks"

....pretty mundane stuff. My point is purely based on the reality that Rafa is an oddball, cold, distant, never addresses the question hes being asked...but will throw in a soundbite "we were controlling the game"... "we were working really hard"....pap.

He reminds me of Jack from an episode from Father Ted, when Ted learnt him two standard phrases for the bishops.... "YES"... "That would be an ecumenical matter"


He has the art of being a bluffer down to a tee.. hence never addresses the onfield problems. Its Houlli mk II

Rafa is in siege mentality mode where he has to get the "everything is not as bad as it seems" message out as quickly and clearly as he can.
His lack of social skills and his sarcasm hasnt helped his cause.
I would still like to know what those mad hand and eye movements after we score mean...
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Postby tubby » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:34 am

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Ben Patrick wrote:Banned already, that must be a record.

Bit harsh, I've seen worse abusive posts

I think it is Stu from back in the day. Who I think has been banned each year since 2005.

Glutton for punishment.

fo dne  :D

Good Bob  :D

Shame really as he knows his football.
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:50 am

Sir Roger wrote:His lack of social skills and his sarcasm hasnt helped his cause.

Could you elaborate?
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:24 am

Sir Roger wrote:Why doesnt someone like the Spirit of Shankly sit down with Rafa and tell him some home truths?

???
What would these "home truths" be and how would it help the situation?
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Postby Sir Roger » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:26 am

Social skills:
The ability to remain relaxed, or at a tolerable level of anxiety while in social situations
Listening skills, including letting others know you are listening
Empathy with and interest in others' situations
The ability to build rapport, whether natural or learned

Sarcasm:
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark
3. using a characterisation of something or someone in order to express contempt
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Postby Sir Roger » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:29 am

Rush Job wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:Why doesnt someone like the Spirit of Shankly sit down with Rafa and tell him some home truths?

???
What would these "home truths" be and how would it help the situation?

The truth hurts but you have to be cruel to be kind
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:54 am

Sir Roger wrote:
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Sir Roger wrote:Why doesnt someone like the Spirit of Shankly sit down with Rafa and tell him some home truths?

???
What would these "home truths" be and how would it help the situation?

The truth hurts but you have to be cruel to be kind

Two cliches in a single sentance, well done but you didnt answer the question.
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:07 am

Stu_Murph wrote:The youth players are all poor aswell

Thats total sh!te that.
I think what he`s done with the youth and ressies, who are also now a youth side is a vast improvement on the previous set up.
With our injurys I would have the likes of Amoo and Eccleston closer to the first team not to mention Nemeth who really needs a proper run out at some point.
Bet Eccleston does really well on loan.
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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:49 am

Evidence of a lack of social skills, evidence of sarcasm; summary of the alleged costliness of these.

To elaborate would have been to use that, or something like it, as a template.

Stale facts do nothing to progress the line of discussion.
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Postby Octsky » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:07 am

Rush Job wrote:
Stu_Murph wrote:The youth players are all poor aswell

Thats total sh!te that.
I think what he`s done with the youth and ressies, who are also now a youth side is a vast improvement on the previous set up.
With our injurys I would have the likes of Amoo and Eccleston closer to the first team not to mention Nemeth who really needs a proper run out at some point.
Bet Eccleston does really well on loan.

Seeing kids play in the first team??
it will never happen under Rafa.
He is not a risk taker. and never will be.
no risk no gain.
Look at how many months he took to "nurse" a 20 mil critical signing back to health.
Even now Aquaman, the man to replace Alonso, isnt yet a regular starter. Start one game, bench for 3 matches, great for his confidence.
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Postby made in UK » Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:11 am

LFC2007 wrote:Evidence of a lack of social skills, evidence of sarcasm; summary of the alleged costliness of these.

To elaborate would have been to use that, or something like it, as a template.

Stale facts do nothing to progress the line of discussion.

More like the line of interrogation.  :glare:
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Postby babu » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:30 am

yes but you any effort to keep a discussion linear as oppossed to circular is good.
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Postby made in UK » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:22 am

babu wrote:yes but you any effort to keep a discussion linear as oppossed to circular is good.

Where did you get linear from, this "discussion" has been done to death. Hence it would be an interrogation of circular issues.
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Postby andy_g » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:17 am

you can all take this p!ss out of this kerry poster but we all know he has a point. rafa acts like a robot and wants his players to act like robots. i too would love to see him more animated, more dynamic, more involved with the players during the game. i'd love to see him make the slightest gesture of happiness when we score a goal, i'd love to hear him praise players when they have done well, and also to make it clear when they haven't. i'd love him to be the kind of manager that motivates his players and makes them want to play for him, run through walls for him, believe in him.

i know that some will counter that he must be doing allright because we came within a sniff last season, yada yada yada. but as long as he's been here there have been players voicing their concern about the way they are treated, and we arguably lost one of our most influential players because of it. and pennant!! i'm sure that if he was the motivational, 'lets form a gang and wipe the floor with everyone, boys' type of manager we'd probably of kept it going and won the prem last season, and we'd sure as eggs be performing a lot better this one.
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Postby Big Niall » Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:46 am

I don't care whether he celebrates goals. I just think his a krap manager.

Sack him. LFC are going nowhere with him. We are competing with Birmingham now FFS - that is our level.

Since won a cup in his first season, all we've done is beat West Ham on penalties (thanks to last minute goal) - now spinners are trying to make out that if we squeek 4th his done well.

He is krap - spent a fortune and underachieved.

SACK HIM , SACK HIM , SACK HIM.
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