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[Thommo's perm]

it seem every one on tv today is saying that we will end up 6th or 7th.
I would love to say they are wrong but as we cant beat smaller clubs i think they have a good point, lets face it , the only way we can now move up the table is if the top 5 slip up.

Like who?

football focus
sky sports

the only two shows that cover football lol

mark lawrenson is starting to me off, all he has done in the last few weeks is slag us off.

This "voice of football" tag has really gone to his head. He was a decent player but hes a ropey pundit.
Hes becoming the new Jimmy Hill

[Rush Job]

it seem every one on tv today is saying that we will end up 6th or 7th.
I would love to say they are wrong but as we cant beat smaller clubs i think they have a good point, lets face it , the only way we can now move up the table is if the top 5 slip up.

Like who?

football focus
sky sports

the only two shows that cover football lol

mark lawrenson is starting to me off, all he has done in the last few weeks is slag us off.

Thats all he`s done the past 20 years mate, he`s creepy get.

[Kerry07]

When you spend 100million (while recouping 60) the objective has to be 4th minimum.

You live or die by your signings... and assessing each one in descending order: the signing of Suarez is one of the best ever.. none of us truly knew he was this good (arguably the best creative striker in the world), so full marks to Kenny on this one. Enrique most of us knew was quality..and at the price we paid was an absolute steal. Charlie Adam is a very good player (not sure hes a title winning midfielder but definitely worthy of being in a midfield that gets into a CL place) and when given time his left foot can find a teammate anywhere on the field. Downing has been the biggest disappointment so far as he has undoubted quality, but for whatever reason hasn't yet shown it (some insiders from Villa have suggested he's not the strongest of characters so his head goes down rather easily)..i believe Kenny can get a tune out of him. Jordan Henderson is a player who has shown flashes of quality..still very early days in his development. Which leaves Andy Carroll..a baffling signing that neither has the quality nor the style to suit us. A fish out of water.

Remove Carroll and Henderson (53million).. and replace with Fernando Llorente and Javi Martinez (the fee paid wouldn't be far off similar)... and we would almost certainly be sitting in the top 4 right now. The top top forward is Roberto Soldado (Madrid really f**ked up on that one).. but god knows how much he would cost. Its all hindsight as Kenny went British.. i hope he looks towards La Liga when the next transfer window(s) come around as there is a plethora of technical players who suit the very style he implements. With the signings he has made so far i don't see us getting top 4.. with Suarez, Enrique and Adam being the three players good enough to get us there... but not the other three.

You need to stop playing Champ Manager !! Players like Llorente and Martinez would not of touched us because of the situation we found ourselves in !

Yes because Bilbao are really pulling up trees aren't they?

So the 57.5 million we spent on Andy Carroll (35m fee, 22.5m wages)... that wouldn't have snagged Javi Martinez? Behave.

Money talks.. and this is Liverpool FC.

We signed the hottest spanish midfielder in la liga in summer 2004...when all the talk was of Real Madrid signing him.... and we did so at a time when our name was far lower than it is now (thanks to Rafa and his CL campaigns). Players hear interest from Liverpool and their eyes light up.. regardless of how we are doing (their expectation is we will soon be back challenging).

We are still signing second tier players..Adam, Lucas, Henderson.. these are good players who help u qualify for CL.. but then u need to change them for the Sneijders and  Martinezs..to challenge for the very top.

[Kerry07]

it seem every one on tv today is saying that we will end up 6th or 7th.
I would love to say they are wrong but as we cant beat smaller clubs i think they have a good point, lets face it , the only way we can now move up the table is if the top 5 slip up.

If you look at our squad.. as it stands right now... 6th is about right (altho i think its very close between us and Arsenal for 5th and Chelsea aint that much ahead in 4th)

The player recruitment this year (bar Suarez and Enrique) hasn't lifted us above any of the other 5 clubs. Henderson, Downing, Carroll...if we hadnt signed them.. we'd still be 6th.. such is their minimal impact. We could have Ngog in the squad instead of Carroll and we would be in the same place. We could have Spearing or Shelvey appearing instead of Henderson and we'd be in the same place. We havent signed difference makers, and its that that takes a team up a level (Man City with Silva for instance).

As some have mentioned, Spurs are very impressive. Their signings have been excellent.. you look at their team... Modric, Bale, Lennon, Parker, Adebayor, Defoe.. thats some front six.. even Friedel was a very shrewd signing. They create chance after chance...and play well consistently. If we had our best front six...Gerrard, Adam, Maxi, Bellamy, Suarez, Lucas (need a Jan replacement).. fit, and played them week in week out, then we would definitely be in amongst the top 4. Instead we've been without the captain, and kenny has tinkered with a successful forward line and persisted with a lesser player.

[Benny The Noon]

When you spend 100million (while recouping 60) the objective has to be 4th minimum.

You live or die by your signings... and assessing each one in descending order: the signing of Suarez is one of the best ever.. none of us truly knew he was this good (arguably the best creative striker in the world), so full marks to Kenny on this one. Enrique most of us knew was quality..and at the price we paid was an absolute steal. Charlie Adam is a very good player (not sure hes a title winning midfielder but definitely worthy of being in a midfield that gets into a CL place) and when given time his left foot can find a teammate anywhere on the field. Downing has been the biggest disappointment so far as he has undoubted quality, but for whatever reason hasn't yet shown it (some insiders from Villa have suggested he's not the strongest of characters so his head goes down rather easily)..i believe Kenny can get a tune out of him. Jordan Henderson is a player who has shown flashes of quality..still very early days in his development. Which leaves Andy Carroll..a baffling signing that neither has the quality nor the style to suit us. A fish out of water.

Remove Carroll and Henderson (53million).. and replace with Fernando Llorente and Javi Martinez (the fee paid wouldn't be far off similar)... and we would almost certainly be sitting in the top 4 right now. The top top forward is Roberto Soldado (Madrid really f**ked up on that one).. but god knows how much he would cost. Its all hindsight as Kenny went British.. i hope he looks towards La Liga when the next transfer window(s) come around as there is a plethora of technical players who suit the very style he implements. With the signings he has made so far i don't see us getting top 4.. with Suarez, Enrique and Adam being the three players good enough to get us there... but not the other three.

You need to stop playing Champ Manager !! Players like Llorente and Martinez would not of touched us because of the situation we found ourselves in !

Yes because Bilbao are really pulling up trees aren't they?

So the 57.5 million we spent on Andy Carroll (35m fee, 22.5m wages)... that wouldn't have snagged Javi Martinez? Behave.

Money talks.. and this is Liverpool FC.

We signed the hottest spanish midfielder in la liga in summer 2004...when all the talk was of Real Madrid signing him.... and we did so at a time when our name was far lower than it is now (thanks to Rafa and his CL campaigns). Players hear interest from Liverpool and their eyes light up.. regardless of how we are doing (their expectation is we will soon be back challenging).

We are still signing second tier players..Adam, Lucas, Henderson.. these are good players who help u qualify for CL.. but then u need to change them for the Sneijders and  Martinezs..to challenge for the very top.

Stop playing computer games and get yourself back into the real world

1. We signed Alonso because we have just aqcuired the talents of one of the best managers in the world who was also spanish plus we were in the CL ( the last bit is crucial - remember that for later)

2. Players like Martinez and LLorente are reported to be the next best thing in Spain so guess which clubs would be looking at them should they become available- yes thats right the top clubs in Europe who could offer them CL ( there is those two letter again) and big wages - forget 22 million over 5 years - they could earn that in 2 years at Man City . That's why its just stupid saying because we spent 50 mil on Carroll and Henderson  we should of spent it on twwo other players instead - you have to look at the situation are club was in - NO CL - and going through a very rocky patch .

3. The romantic notion that players eyes suddenly light up when they hear Liverpool is after them is total nonsense - their eys light up when they hear Barce or Madrid or Mancs or the money of City . - thats the difference between reality and fairytale - you my friend are in a fairytale playing Championship Manager .

Your last paragraph is close to being the only thing with a bit of sense - execpt Lucas is not a "second tier" player he is a top class player . We bought players like Henderson etc to get us into the CL and thats is our aim - the top players are out of our reach and may well be for a long time yet while you have teams like City and MAdrid spending a lot of money .

[Kerry07]

When you spend 100million (while recouping 60) the objective has to be 4th minimum.

You live or die by your signings... and assessing each one in descending order: the signing of Suarez is one of the best ever.. none of us truly knew he was this good (arguably the best creative striker in the world), so full marks to Kenny on this one. Enrique most of us knew was quality..and at the price we paid was an absolute steal. Charlie Adam is a very good player (not sure hes a title winning midfielder but definitely worthy of being in a midfield that gets into a CL place) and when given time his left foot can find a teammate anywhere on the field. Downing has been the biggest disappointment so far as he has undoubted quality, but for whatever reason hasn't yet shown it (some insiders from Villa have suggested he's not the strongest of characters so his head goes down rather easily)..i believe Kenny can get a tune out of him. Jordan Henderson is a player who has shown flashes of quality..still very early days in his development. Which leaves Andy Carroll..a baffling signing that neither has the quality nor the style to suit us. A fish out of water.

Remove Carroll and Henderson (53million).. and replace with Fernando Llorente and Javi Martinez (the fee paid wouldn't be far off similar)... and we would almost certainly be sitting in the top 4 right now. The top top forward is Roberto Soldado (Madrid really f**ked up on that one).. but god knows how much he would cost. Its all hindsight as Kenny went British.. i hope he looks towards La Liga when the next transfer window(s) come around as there is a plethora of technical players who suit the very style he implements. With the signings he has made so far i don't see us getting top 4.. with Suarez, Enrique and Adam being the three players good enough to get us there... but not the other three.

You need to stop playing Champ Manager !! Players like Llorente and Martinez would not of touched us because of the situation we found ourselves in !

Yes because Bilbao are really pulling up trees aren't they?

So the 57.5 million we spent on Andy Carroll (35m fee, 22.5m wages)... that wouldn't have snagged Javi Martinez? Behave.

Money talks.. and this is Liverpool FC.

We signed the hottest spanish midfielder in la liga in summer 2004...when all the talk was of Real Madrid signing him.... and we did so at a time when our name was far lower than it is now (thanks to Rafa and his CL campaigns). Players hear interest from Liverpool and their eyes light up.. regardless of how we are doing (their expectation is we will soon be back challenging).

We are still signing second tier players..Adam, Lucas, Henderson.. these are good players who help u qualify for CL.. but then u need to change them for the Sneijders and  Martinezs..to challenge for the very top.

Stop playing computer games and get yourself back into the real world

1. We signed Alonso because we have just aqcuired the talents of one of the best managers in the world who was also spanish plus we were in the CL ( the last bit is crucial - remember that for later)

2. Players like Martinez and LLorente are reported to be the next best thing in Spain so guess which clubs would be looking at them should they become available- yes thats right the top clubs in Europe who could offer them CL ( there is those two letter again) and big wages - forget 22 million over 5 years - they could earn that in 2 years at Man City . That's why its just stupid saying because we spent 50 mil on Carroll and Henderson  we should of spent it on twwo other players instead - you have to look at the situation are club was in - NO CL - and going through a very rocky patch .

3. The romantic notion that players eyes suddenly light up when they hear Liverpool is after them is total nonsense - their eys light up when they hear Barce or Madrid or Mancs or the money of City . - thats the difference between reality and fairytale - you my friend are in a fairytale playing Championship Manager .

Your last paragraph is close to being the only thing with a bit of sense - execpt Lucas is not a "second tier" player he is a top class player . We bought players like Henderson etc to get us into the CL and thats is our aim - the top players are out of our reach and may well be for a long time yet while you have teams like City and MAdrid spending a lot of money .

Errr... it helps to read the comments prior to responding.. i had addressed current non CL status (which Bilbao aint in either btw). repeats: "their expectation is we will soon be back challenging".. quote me Javi Martinez on saying he'd never sign for Liverpool. *awaits another baseless comment*

"we had just aquired one of the best managers"... he says.. in contrast to now... nice dismissal of kenny...with a picture of the man himself in his sig.

i shall go no further.

[Benny The Noon]

When you spend 100million (while recouping 60) the objective has to be 4th minimum.

You live or die by your signings... and assessing each one in descending order: the signing of Suarez is one of the best ever.. none of us truly knew he was this good (arguably the best creative striker in the world), so full marks to Kenny on this one. Enrique most of us knew was quality..and at the price we paid was an absolute steal. Charlie Adam is a very good player (not sure hes a title winning midfielder but definitely worthy of being in a midfield that gets into a CL place) and when given time his left foot can find a teammate anywhere on the field. Downing has been the biggest disappointment so far as he has undoubted quality, but for whatever reason hasn't yet shown it (some insiders from Villa have suggested he's not the strongest of characters so his head goes down rather easily)..i believe Kenny can get a tune out of him. Jordan Henderson is a player who has shown flashes of quality..still very early days in his development. Which leaves Andy Carroll..a baffling signing that neither has the quality nor the style to suit us. A fish out of water.

Remove Carroll and Henderson (53million).. and replace with Fernando Llorente and Javi Martinez (the fee paid wouldn't be far off similar)... and we would almost certainly be sitting in the top 4 right now. The top top forward is Roberto Soldado (Madrid really f**ked up on that one).. but god knows how much he would cost. Its all hindsight as Kenny went British.. i hope he looks towards La Liga when the next transfer window(s) come around as there is a plethora of technical players who suit the very style he implements. With the signings he has made so far i don't see us getting top 4.. with Suarez, Enrique and Adam being the three players good enough to get us there... but not the other three.

You need to stop playing Champ Manager !! Players like Llorente and Martinez would not of touched us because of the situation we found ourselves in !

Yes because Bilbao are really pulling up trees aren't they?

So the 57.5 million we spent on Andy Carroll (35m fee, 22.5m wages)... that wouldn't have snagged Javi Martinez? Behave.

Money talks.. and this is Liverpool FC.

We signed the hottest spanish midfielder in la liga in summer 2004...when all the talk was of Real Madrid signing him.... and we did so at a time when our name was far lower than it is now (thanks to Rafa and his CL campaigns). Players hear interest from Liverpool and their eyes light up.. regardless of how we are doing (their expectation is we will soon be back challenging).

We are still signing second tier players..Adam, Lucas, Henderson.. these are good players who help u qualify for CL.. but then u need to change them for the Sneijders and  Martinezs..to challenge for the very top.

Stop playing computer games and get yourself back into the real world

1. We signed Alonso because we have just aqcuired the talents of one of the best managers in the world who was also spanish plus we were in the CL ( the last bit is crucial - remember that for later)

2. Players like Martinez and LLorente are reported to be the next best thing in Spain so guess which clubs would be looking at them should they become available- yes thats right the top clubs in Europe who could offer them CL ( there is those two letter again) and big wages - forget 22 million over 5 years - they could earn that in 2 years at Man City . That's why its just stupid saying because we spent 50 mil on Carroll and Henderson  we should of spent it on twwo other players instead - you have to look at the situation are club was in - NO CL - and going through a very rocky patch .

3. The romantic notion that players eyes suddenly light up when they hear Liverpool is after them is total nonsense - their eys light up when they hear Barce or Madrid or Mancs or the money of City . - thats the difference between reality and fairytale - you my friend are in a fairytale playing Championship Manager .

Your last paragraph is close to being the only thing with a bit of sense - execpt Lucas is not a "second tier" player he is a top class player . We bought players like Henderson etc to get us into the CL and thats is our aim - the top players are out of our reach and may well be for a long time yet while you have teams like City and MAdrid spending a lot of money .

Errr... it helps to read the comments prior to responding.. i had addressed current non CL status (which Bilbao aint in either btw). repeats: "their expectation is we will soon be back challenging".. quote me Javi Martinez on saying he'd never sign for Liverpool. *awaits another baseless comment*

"we had just aquired one of the best managers"... he says.. in contrast to now... nice dismissal of kenny...with a picture of the man himself in his sig.

i shall go no further.

Yes Bilbao are not in the CL so do you think he will leave to go to another non CL club - stop dreaming

There expecatation is " we will soon be challenging" ?!?! How the feck do you know that ? - Dreaming again


Kenny was wonderful for us in the 80's as a manager ( doubt you were even born when he was last with us ) but he has a long way to go yet to show he can do it a second time round .

Rafa had just won two La Liga's and a UEFA Cup . Thats a big difference to someone returning from not being a manager for nearly 10 years .

Players like Llorente and Martinez will move to clubs that will 1. Give them the most wages and 2. Give them the chance to win trophies

We could never of not bought Carroll and Henderson and bought Llorente and Martinez instead - that is not reality

[lakes10]

3. The romantic notion that players eyes suddenly light up when they hear Liverpool is after them is total nonsense - their eys light up when they hear Barce or Madrid or Mancs or the money of City . - thats the difference between reality and fairytale - you my friend are in a fairytale playing Championship Manager .

yes them days are long gone.

what you do have to worry about is that if we dont win the Prem or CL very soon they may never come back.

yes money talks in football, but if you dont win anything soon the money moves away and you can end up like Blackburn.

we have lived on what we did in the 70's and 80's far too long and if we dont win another big one soon we cpuld find ourselves a mid table club only.

ok so I know you are going to think i am a bit over the top as we are Liverpool and history says we are a great club.
but the face of football is changing, we did not change with it in the 90's and thats why we are where we are today.

you have to ask yourself why we did not win the prem in the 90's to start to understand why we might not win it for another 20 years if the club dont move on.

[woof woof !]

3. The romantic notion that players eyes suddenly light up when they hear Liverpool is after them is total nonsense - their eys light up when they hear Barce or Madrid or Mancs or the money of City . - thats the difference between reality and fairytale - you my friend are in a fairytale playing Championship Manager .

yes them days are long gone.

what you do have to worry about is that if we dont win the Prem or CL very soon they may never come back.

yes money talks in football, but if you dont win anything soon the money moves away and you can end up like Blackburn.

we have lived on what we did in the 70's and 80's far too long and if we dont win another big one soon we cpuld find ourselves a mid table club only.

ok so I know you are going to think i am a bit over the top as we are Liverpool and history says we are a great club.
but the face of football is changing, we did not change with it in the 90's and thats why we are where we are today.

you have to ask yourself why we did not win the prem in the 90's to start to understand why we might not win it for another 20 years if the club dont move on.

Understand where your coming from Lakes but imo I think you're downplaying the regard in which we are held throughout Europe.We may not have won the premiership but have in the intervening years added many a trophy to our haul. If it was needed we certainly re-established our name throughout Europe on that magnificent night in Istanbul and a few seasons later came within a whisker of winning the premiership.

Twit and Tw'at have a lot to answer for. We are still recovering from their tenure but imo we're in good hands now. All we need are those one or two inspired signings, a Torres or an Alonso to finally drive us over the line.

Money obviously plays a massive part but I still believe that if we had enough in the kitty many a top player would chose us over the likes of City, Chelsea etc.

[Benny The Noon]

Yes Woof if we had money in the kitty we might have a chance but we would also need to be in the CL - we will never be able to outspend or even match those clubs - players won't pick a non CL club over a a CL club no matter who they are .

Being in the CL is what matters - 05 for people outside of Liverpool is forgotten now - its all about Barce , City etc - we aren't even thought about for the majority now .

[woof woof !]

players won't pick a non CL club over a a CL club no matter who they are .

Disagree


Take Suarez, he may have joined us with the hope/expectation of ongoing CL footy but there were no guarantee's and he still came.

[Benny The Noon]

players won't pick a non CL club over a a CL club no matter who they are .

Disagree


Take Suarez, he may have joined us with the hope/expectation of ongoing CL footy but there were no guarantee's and he still came.

Who else did Suarez have a chance of goin too ? I think Spurs was the only other club to have a look at him . So he didn't have to pick - he came to us to move up a level in the football world , if Madrid or Barce  start sniffing around you can bet his head would turn towards them .

If City or Chelsea or a team from Spain or Italy in the CL were competing against us for him , he would of IMO picked the team in the CL - it's why we lost players like Torres and Merieles because we weren't in the CL .

The notion that players pick us because we are Liverpool is romantic at the best but increasingly unrealistic .

[metalhead]

players won't pick a non CL club over a a CL club no matter who they are .

Disagree


Take Suarez, he may have joined us with the hope/expectation of ongoing CL footy but there were no guarantee's and he still came.

No one was in for Suarez at the time we signed him, If Barca came in or Real he would have went there.

Phil Jones, Ashley Young, Clichy, ... all picked other teams over us in the summer.

[woof woof !]

players won't pick a non CL club over a a CL club no matter who they are .

Disagree


Take Suarez, he may have joined us with the hope/expectation of ongoing CL footy but there were no guarantee's and he still came.

Who else did Suarez have a chance of goin too ? I think Spurs was the only other club to have a look at him . So he didn't have to pick - he came to us to move up a level in the football world , if Madrid or Barce  start sniffing around you can bet his head would turn towards them .

Six consistent CL qualifiers from clubs in Italy, Germany, France and England (Arsenal) enquired after him, they were all mugged off.

Admittedly the big two teams in Spain (to my knowledge) made no public enquiry but imo that hardly supports your assertion that top players will only move to a club with guaranteed CL football .

[Benny The Noon]

players won't pick a non CL club over a a CL club no matter who they are .

Disagree


Take Suarez, he may have joined us with the hope/expectation of ongoing CL footy but there were no guarantee's and he still came.

Who else did Suarez have a chance of goin too ? I think Spurs was the only other club to have a look at him . So he didn't have to pick - he came to us to move up a level in the football world , if Madrid or Barce  start sniffing around you can bet his head would turn towards them .

Six consistent CL qualifiers from clubs in Italy, Germany, France and England (Arsenal) enquired after him, they were all mugged off.

Admittedly the big two teams in Spain (to my knowledge) made no public enquiry but imo that hardly supports your assertion that top players will only move to a club with guaranteed CL football .

Who were these clubs and were they turned down by Ajax or the player himself ?

Enquiring about him to Ajax isnt the player turning down a CL club to come to us - which other club had a big excepted for him ? No one.

MH has listed three players just last summer who turned us down for clubs in CL .