Liverpool FC Forum

[jacdaniel]

Its almost like top 4 is just not supposed to be this season.  Gerrards injuries have lasted a lot longer than anyone would have expected.  Then there was the unfortunate Lucas injury and now the shocking Suarez ban.  Not to mention hitting the woodwork 15 or 16 times and having some dodgy decisions go against us.

Im still delighted with the progress Kenny has made in a year though.  As for expectations though, I think I might lower mine based on the circumstances.

[Thommo's perm]

Its almost like top 4 is just not supposed to be this season.  Gerrards injuries have lasted a lot longer than anyone would have expected.  Then there was the unfortunate Lucas injury and now the shocking Suarez ban.  Not to mention hitting the woodwork 15 or 16 times and having some dodgy decisions go against us.

Im still delighted with the progress Kenny has made in a year though.  As for expectations though, I think I might lower mine based on the circumstances.

Fair enough
I still say we will win the league
And we have hit the woodwork 18 times so far

[red till i die!!]

we wont make the top 4 if we keep putting in performances like last night.
that squad dont have the goals required to fire us above the the rest.our defence is good enough to win the league but step past that half way line and its average to poor at times and untill thats adressed its mediocrity leading to frustration all the way till the end of the season.
pretty much half way through now and one thing im sure of is that we are capaple of producing last nights poor display many more times before may.
last night was 4 steps back imo.

[red till i die!!]

Its almost like top 4 is just not supposed to be this season.  Gerrards injuries have lasted a lot longer than anyone would have expected.  Then there was the unfortunate Lucas injury and now the shocking Suarez ban.  Not to mention hitting the woodwork 15 or 16 times and having some dodgy decisions go against us.

Im still delighted with the progress Kenny has made in a year though.  As for expectations though, I think I might lower mine based on the circumstances.

Fair enough
I still say we will win the league
And we have hit the woodwork 18 times so far

i really admire your optimism thommo.
id say your the only one that thinks we can still win the league.
so many people are fixated on the amount of times we hit the wood work,i dont know why cos its not like you get points for it.
to me its poor finishing and far short of whats needed to get into the top 4 never even mind talking about winning the league.

what makes you think our performances are going to improve from here on in? especially since you dont think we should sign in january?.

[Roger Red Hat]

i reckon we're 2 new players off  finished in top 4. don't know who the 2 are but we need a scorer and a play maker. address these issues quickly in january and we could be good for a top 4 or top 3.

[alwayslfc]

i reckon we're 2 new players off  finished in top 4. don't know who the 2 are but we need a scorer and a play maker. address these issues quickly in january and we could be good for a top 4 or top 3.

[quote]

This the ideal situation. But there are 2 stumbling blocks.

1. We may not have the deep pockets to buy 2 such needed quality players.

2. Even if we have, without CL football, will they want to come to Liverpool?

[only me]

i reckon we're 2 new players off  finished in top 4. don't know who the 2 are but we need a scorer and a play maker. address these issues quickly in january and we could be good for a top 4 or top 3.

This the ideal situation. But there are 2 stumbling blocks.

1. We may not have the deep pockets to buy 2 such needed quality players.

2. Even if we have, without CL football, will they want to come to Liverpool?

Actuelly we need one player which we already have. S.G

[only me]

Champions League next season is a MUST !!!

The owners have invested heavly in the playing squad it is what they and us will expect, we have finished in the top 4 with a weaker squad than we have now.  There is no excuses.

I share the Sentiment but it would be a huge challange. With all the investment put in the club we are still ,quality wise ,Weaker then Arsenal and Spurs. We had tons of avarage players in our squad and we are now much more equipped to play football but still a long way ahead.

Gerrard is the X factor ,if he gives a strong season we would meet the CL goal.

Interesting going back and reading what i wrote 3 month ago ,prediction still stands 

[Thommo's perm]

Its almost like top 4 is just not supposed to be this season.  Gerrards injuries have lasted a lot longer than anyone would have expected.  Then there was the unfortunate Lucas injury and now the shocking Suarez ban.  Not to mention hitting the woodwork 15 or 16 times and having some dodgy decisions go against us.

Im still delighted with the progress Kenny has made in a year though.  As for expectations though, I think I might lower mine based on the circumstances.

Fair enough
I still say we will win the league
And we have hit the woodwork 18 times so far

i really admire your optimism thommo.
id say your the only one that thinks we can still win the league.
so many people are fixated on the amount of times we hit the wood work,i dont know why cos its not like you get points for it.
to me its poor finishing and far short of whats needed to get into the top 4 never even mind talking about winning the league.

what makes you think our performances are going to improve from here on in? especially since you dont think we should sign in january?.

Im an optimist. I cant help it

I would rather see the positive in things and cant see the point in constantly moaning
That said, there isnt much to be optimistic about in last nights performance. It was one of the most frustrating and disappointing matches I have ever watched. I got more joy from the spurs 4-0 defeat than last nights miserable draw. The players need a leader. Ive said before that they look like they are lost sometimes. Like they are trying too hard, or not hard enough and KK is not really doing us any favour re Carroll by bringing him on with minutes to go. He needs to bite the bullet and put him on from the begining, give him a run and let him either succeed or fail through his performances. Then make his mind up whether or not Carroll is an expensive flop and should get rid if thats what he believes.
The whole team (besides the defence) needs a kick up the ar'se to be fair because we have people treading water and flattering to deceive. Kuyt is the perfect example of this "works hard" description of professional footballers who are paid thousands to win matches. Ironically Kuyt played well last night but running round loads and missing chances galore is simply not good enough for LFC. It might be for the likes of other, lesser clubs but not for one with the pedigree we have. I do believe that we have good and very good players, but unfortunately I dont know if they believe it? When I watched the skanks tw@ting Fulham last night I was gutted. Not because they won, but by the manner in which they won. They were scoring for fun. Their attacking play paid off because they have confidence and belief that the other team were inferior and would succumb to their superiority. We dont have that. We have enthusiasm (for the first 20 minutes) which turns into clunking and predictable monotony, ending in pointless substitutions and ultimately frustration at what could and should have been. Add onto this wasteful and useless corners and free kicks, constantly hitting posts and crossbars and missing penalty after penalty, you end up with what we have now; Almost but not quite.
Thats whay KK needs to sort a leader out rather than new signings in my opinion. I honestly believe that Liverpools success in the past can be clearly linked to great captains, but at the moment we havent even got a good captain. If this particular problem cant be solved then my optimism will be misplaced and we will probably not become Premier League Champions.
At least not this season

[red till i die!!]

Its almost like top 4 is just not supposed to be this season.  Gerrards injuries have lasted a lot longer than anyone would have expected.  Then there was the unfortunate Lucas injury and now the shocking Suarez ban.  Not to mention hitting the woodwork 15 or 16 times and having some dodgy decisions go against us.

Im still delighted with the progress Kenny has made in a year though.  As for expectations though, I think I might lower mine based on the circumstances.

Fair enough
I still say we will win the league
And we have hit the woodwork 18 times so far

i really admire your optimism thommo.
id say your the only one that thinks we can still win the league.
so many people are fixated on the amount of times we hit the wood work,i dont know why cos its not like you get points for it.
to me its poor finishing and far short of whats needed to get into the top 4 never even mind talking about winning the league.

what makes you think our performances are going to improve from here on in? especially since you dont think we should sign in january?.

Im an optimist. I cant help it

I would rather see the positive in things and cant see the point in constantly moaning
That said, there isnt much to be optimistic about in last nights performance. It was one of the most frustrating and disappointing matches I have ever watched. I got more joy from the spurs 4-0 defeat than last nights miserable draw. The players need a leader. Ive said before that they look like they are lost sometimes. Like they are trying too hard, or not hard enough and KK is not really doing us any favour re Carroll by bringing him on with minutes to go. He needs to bite the bullet and put him on from the begining, give him a run and let him either succeed or fail through his performances. Then make his mind up whether or not Carroll is an expensive flop and should get rid if thats what he believes.
The whole team (besides the defence) needs a kick up the ar'se to be fair because we have people treading water and flattering to deceive. Kuyt is the perfect example of this "works hard" description of professional footballers who are paid thousands to win matches. Ironically Kuyt played well last night but running round loads and missing chances galore is simply not good enough for LFC. It might be for the likes of other, lesser clubs but not for one with the pedigree we have. I do believe that we have good and very good players, but unfortunately I dont know if they believe it? When I watched the skanks tw@ting Fulham last night I was gutted. Not because they won, but by the manner in which they won. They were scoring for fun. Their attacking play paid off because they have confidence and belief that the other team were inferior and would succumb to their superiority. We dont have that. We have enthusiasm (for the first 20 minutes) which turns into clunking and predictable monotony, ending in pointless substitutions and ultimately frustration at what could and should have been. Add onto this wasteful and useless corners and free kicks, constantly hitting posts and crossbars and missing penalty after penalty, you end up with what we have now; Almost but not quite.
Thats whay KK needs to sort a leader out rather than new signings in my opinion. I honestly believe that Liverpools success in the past can be clearly linked to great captains, but at the moment we havent even got a good captain. If this particular problem cant be solved then my optimism will be misplaced and we will probably not become Premier League Champions.
At least not this season

i agree with most of that.

on the woodwork issue i put most of that down to just bad finishing.take suarez's shot on to the crossbar against fulham.he did everthing perfect,rounded the keeper and just hammered it rather than just slotting it in.he doesnt take that extra second to compose himself before pulling the trigger and that seems to be the norm throughout the strikers.its either off the first defender or straight at the keeper.

gerrard is a fantastic captain to have in the team and we are suffering badly without him.just his presence on the pitch ups our game and the levels of those around him.carra is the next to gerrard for the role and after that the only one's id consider is agger or suarez.

last night was indeed frustrating and poor and at times we looked like we could lose it and its not like its the first time we played like that this season.the difference between us and the mancs is creativity and the amount of individual players they have that can produce it during games.
we really need that back in our team and judging by the players we have atm we are miles off achieving that.

i honestly feel we need a fully fit gerrard to return and last for the rest of the season and still use this window as an oppertunity to strenghten and we will at least be in with a shout of top 4 right up till the end.if we dont we will be out of it come march.

if we do win the league i promise ill print this post off and eat it.

[jimmy brighton]

Good result for us tonight. The cockneys drawing like. Two home games next and after last night I expect us to hammer home our intent. Then it's Citeh and if (and I mean IF on our current hit or miss form) we can get maximum points from those 2 games then why not? Could be a great new LFC new year or (after the disappointment of last night) be a non-football one 

p.s. I need to stop sitting on the fence

[7_Kewell]

Good result for us tonight. The cockneys drawing like. Two home games next and after last night I expect us to hammer home our intent. Then it's Citeh and if (and I mean IF on our current hit or miss form) we can get maximum points from those 2 games then why not? Could be a great new LFC new year or (after the disappointment of last night) be a non-football one 

p.s. I need to stop sitting on the fence

we'll hammer city 4-0 and then lose to QPR or the like, knowing our luck 

[jimmy brighton]

Good result for us tonight. The cockneys drawing like. Two home games next and after last night I expect us to hammer home our intent. Then it's Citeh and if (and I mean IF on our current hit or miss form) we can get maximum points from those 2 games then why not? Could be a great new LFC new year or (after the disappointment of last night) be a non-football one 

p.s. I need to stop sitting on the fence

we'll hammer city 4-0 and then lose to QPR or the like, knowing our luck 

My thinking is if we can find consistency, and consistency is the key word here, then we are least aiming at third. Some of our performances this season have been absolutely outstanding but we've been continually let down by very mediocre performances in-between. If we do find that consistency (and I believe we will (glass half-full)) then we can certainly put pressure on the manc lads.

[maypaxvobiscum]

The problem with us is that we are always reliant on certain players to score goals and get us the win. This is not something recent but has been the case for years. It was always Torres, Gerrard or Suarez. We don't have a game changer in our team, a little magician, someone like Luis Garcia, who has a knack for scoring crucial goals. Now with Suarez and Gerrard out, the only 3 players i can think of who could supply any attacking threat are Enrique, Bellamy and Johnson. Carroll, Henderson, Adam and Kuyt, average at best.

[stmichael]

well arsenal throw us another lifeline.

we've only got ourselves to blame if we don't get top 4 after all these home draws. we're fortunate that arsenal and chelsea are so inconsistent. arsenal have united next weekend and chelsea have a tricky away game at norwich so we simply have to beat bolton. i still expect newcastle to fall away.