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[The Hustler]

What should be the minimum requirement this season for all of you, for Brendan Rodgers to avoid the chop?? Kenny got the chop last season, despite winning the Carling Cup, getting to the FA Cup final, and finishing in the top 8.

What is your own opinion of what we should achieve, taking into account, the fans, the club,transfers, youth players brought in etc etc. and your own assessment of Rodgers in the first season. Ie: should we be- Top half of table, top 8, top 6, top 4, winning the carling cup, europa etc. Where should we be? for him to avoid getting the Chop like KK did.

His first season or not, he is in the hot seat! Some of you like him, some of you don't. So where should we be come May?

Brendan talks the talk, but can he walk the walk!!!?

I'll Start...........Top 6 league minimum. 

[Penguins]

Considering the (lack of) backing he has got any top 10 finish buys him at least another year.
The team he took over had just wasted a fortune on players that was meant to replace older players who left or about to leave the club.
Now instead alot of youth players has been forced into the team to replace them and it is a big ask demanding the same or better output from them.
We got spoilt by Rafa and demanded the title and now we are nowhere near Cl quality.
Besides the back 4 it's almost a start from scratch this season on many aspects.
The sooner we accept that, we won't have to fire the manager every season, cause that is what will happen.
If you look at football today it so much more what the owners do than what the managers do that will decide the future of a club.
And without sticking my neck out, there will be no title challenge with the owners we have right now.
If you look at the competiton it will take a huge efffort from the owners to really go that extra mile to get it.
It doesn't matter which manager we got if the owners aren't prepared to go all out.

[red till i die!!]

as long as we arent anywhere near the bottom pile fenway will let him carry on into next season and so will the majority of fans.
the side he inherited (as bad as it )was finished 8th last season with a cup in the cabinet and i dont think we will better that this year but the league position is important and i reckon we will at least equal that but will it keep fenway happy? .
top 4 challenge this year has become a dream again

[Kenny Kan]

Hustler should get the chop from here before Rodgers does at Liverpool.

[Kukilon]

Top 4. Not that I think we will ever reach it but he should be meassured with the same ruler as all of our coaches.

[Reg]

Top 4. Not that I think we will ever reach it but he should be meassured with the same ruler as all of our coaches.

Complete load of *****. I despair at some of the comments on the forum these days, you'know I thought Kenny Kan was bad but Jeez today Kenny kinda sounds vaguely sensible.

You can't compare BR's young and inexperienced squad with Rafa's dream team or Roy Evan's 'Spice Boy XI'.

I'd be made up with a 'run' in all cups to 1/4 finals or better and a top 6-7 finish. I'd hope for a settled team by the end of January where we can see the future. I'd be happy for a MAJOR clear out of the deadwood in January and the summer.

Bring in some new players over the summer and we start phase 2 of the rebuild but anyone thinking the rebuild is a 3 month make-over to hide the cracks is clearly off their noddy.

I mean, did you see how ***** Adam was yesterday? how the feck did Kenny think he was part of the big picture? WTF?

[SouthCoastShankly]

Hustler should get the chop from here before Rodgers does at Liverpool.

1) he's not a Liverpool supporter
2) he has a clear agenda against Rodgers (maybe sees his style as a threat to his actual supported team?) - his most active topic according to the website is the Brendan Rodgers thread - coincidence?

[LFC1990]

Top 4 Isnt out of reach but top 6 is a must.

We play good football and aslong as we keep it up results will come. Janvier Can not come soon enough

[The Hustler]

Hustler should get the chop from here before Rodgers does at Liverpool.

1) he's not a Liverpool supporter

Where are you getting this information from? ..Your basing that on what!??

I am one of those who didn't fancy Rodgers getting the job in the first place, in favour of a more experienced manager, just like when Roy Hodgson took charge, I didn't fancy him much either. And look how it's cost us so far....7 League games 1 win! How poor is that?? Due to this, it has ruined any chance of us getting in the top 4 this season. I for one am annoyed that we won't be in the champions league next season, as well as this.

Before you all now start coming out with loads of excuses like its a transitional period or he needs time to implement his system/ tactics or any other garbage, let me tell you...

does this mean that our season has to suffer as a result of waiting for BR to make mistakes and (if ever) get it right? Those of us who have forked out £800 + for a season ticket, whilst we basically watch the youth team in action, and loads of other inexperienced players playing at senior level!?

I for one, think we are going in the wrong direction, and needed to buy proven quality to stay in touch at the top. This larking about with the youth players, shows nievity by BR and inexperience as a manger, as our results will suffer like they are, whilst we wait for him to get it right.

Him starting a 17 Year old, every match, and three youngens (Suso, Wisdom and Sterling) starting on Sun, fills me with horror.
Am I the only poster on here that can see that!!???
I don't even know if I would trust Rodgers with a huge purse come January if he got the same cash that Kenny did.
We will see who is right come January/ end of the season, as we nowhere near, have the experience/ strength and depth/ quality that we need to win consistently.

[Benny The Noon]

Why does starting three youngsters fill you with fear ?!? It should fill you with hope.

[the lone wolf]

Hustler should get the chop from here before Rodgers does at Liverpool.

1) he's not a Liverpool supporter

Where are you getting this information from? ..Your basing that on what!??

I am one of those who didn't fancy Rodgers getting the job in the first place, in favour of a more experienced manager, just like when Roy Hodgson took charge, I didn't fancy him much either. And look how it's cost us so far....7 League games 1 win! How poor is that?? Due to this, it has ruined any chance of us getting in the top 4 this season. I for one am annoyed that we won't be in the champions league next season, as well as this.

Before you all now start coming out with loads of excuses like its a transitional period or he needs time to implement his system/ tactics or any other garbage, let me tell you...

Hustler - you are harsh - But I agree. BR wasn't the man for the job, it's simplt too BIG!

Minimum Requirement - Stay in Prem for when the new SKY deal kicks in next season, simple. Anything else, without laying blame is now a pipe dream.

[JC_81]

Minimum requirements?

I think Rodgers' remit from the owners was probably (and this is complete speculation on my part based on what I've seen so far):

1)  Improve the style of play
2)  Get the older overpaid players off the wage bill
3)  Convince the established first teamers to buy into his philosophy and sign new contracts
4)  Blood some youngsters into the first team set up and bring down the average age
5)  Use the season to consolidate, mid table acceptable, top 6 would be good season, top 4 not expected
6)  Domestic cups don't matter (based on Kenny being sacked after last season)
7)  Europa league doesn't matter either (based on our team selections in it so far this season)

In my opinion the only way Rodgers is getting sacked this season is if either the players lose belief in his methods and stop putting in a shift for him and/or we get dragged into a relegation scrap (neither of which I can see happening).  An improvement on last season can't be expected when established players have been sold/ loaned and Rodgers hasn't been backed in the transfer market to replace them,

He'll get some backing in the next two transfer windows hopefully and if there aren't signs of progress by this time next season we can start asking questions.  But for now let's get off Rodgers' back and let him get on with what is an absolutely massive job at the moment.  This isn't going to get better overnight and things may get worse still before they get better.

[the lone wolf]

Minimum requirements?

I think Rodgers' remit from the owners was probably (and this is complete speculation on my part based on what I've seen so far):

1)  Improve the style of play
2)  Get the older overpaid players off the wage bill
3)  Convince the established first teamers to buy into his philosophy and sign new contracts
4)  Blood some youngsters into the first team set up and bring down the average age
5)  Use the season to consolidate, mid table acceptable, top 6 would be good season, top 4 not expected
6)  Domestic cups don't matter (based on Kenny being sacked after last season)
7)  Europa league doesn't matter either (based on our team selections in it so far this season)

In my opinion the only way Rodgers is getting sacked this season is if either the players lose belief in his methods and stop putting in a shift for him and/or we get dragged into a relegation scrap (neither of which I can see happening).  An improvement on last season can't be expected when established players have been sold/ loaned and Rodgers hasn't been backed in the transfer market to replace them,

He'll get some backing in the next two transfer windows hopefully and if there aren't signs of progress by this time next season we can start asking questions.  But for now let's get off Rodgers' back and let him get on with what is an absolutely massive job at the moment.  This isn't going to get better overnight and things may get worse still before they get better.

Some very good points outlined - and you're right, without really knowing BR's remit for the season it is impossible to speculate. I for one am not on his back - the job's just too BIG for him.

BR would have made an excellent assistant to Kenny - 2-3 seasons and he would have been better groomed - but I geuss noones ego would of allowed that to happen? Regardless of results, Kenny would have taken bullets for us and believe could have listened to a younger assistant with fresh ideas?

[JC_81]

[quote="[url=http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1190261#p1190261]the lone wolf » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:36 pm[/url I for one am not on his back - the job's just too BIG for him.

And how is the job too big for him?  Based on 7 league games?  Based on what some so called pundits or experts on Sky TV say?

It might be, but it's far too early to say and for me that statement is just a cliche branded about by lazy journalists.

By that reckoning the job was also too big for Kenny (a club legend and successful, experienced manager) and Hodgson (also a very experienced manager).  Or were they just not good enough?  It seems that because of Rodgers' younger age the phrase 'job's too big' replaces 'not good enough'.  Either way it's too early to say if 'the job's too big for him' or as I would prefer to call it, if he's not good enough.

[the lone wolf]

[quote="[url=http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1190261#p1190261]the lone wolf » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:36 pm[/url I for one am not on his back - the job's just too BIG for him.

And how is the job too big for him?  Based on 7 league games?  Based on what some so called pundits or experts on Sky TV say?

It might be, but it's far too early to say and for me that statement is just a cliche branded about by lazy journalists.

By that reckoning the job was also too big for Kenny (a club legend and successful, experienced manager) and Hodgson (also a very experienced manager).  Or were they just not good enough?  It seems that because of Rodgers' younger age the phrase 'job's too big' replaces 'not good enough'.  Either way it's too early to say if 'the job's too big for him' or as I would prefer to call it, if he's not good enough.

Not good enough, job's too big - However you want to write it, he just does not have the right credentials nor experience to carry this project to a fulfilling conclusion. AND remember for LFC a successful conclusion if either PL Champions, CL Champions or both - now do you think BR is capable of this? Forget too early to say...

Without going into too much depth:
Credentials and experience - Here's one for you. La liga has how many teams capable of winning it? Not too difficult question to answer. It WAS similar to Scotland until Rangers F*&Ked themselves! Either Barca or Real M WILL win La Liga this season - do you agree on that? In 2004/5 season LFC had the forceit to employ a man who had CONSISTANTLY put a 3rd team into that equation!!! THAT's WHAT I mean by credentials and experience. The rest remains a part of our glorious history. 

Again I am not against BR - AND WOULD LOVE IT (Kevin Keagan style) if he were to prove me wrong, because we'd all win. 

IMHO - I can't see it happening...