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[Thommo's perm]

yeah ok benny

Its a pity we cant change him for an optimistic, knowledgable, interesting person

[devaney]

yeah ok benny

Its a pity we cant change him for an optimistic, knowledgable, interesting person

My nomination is Norris from Corrie !! 

Having recently been on the target end of RBG's somewhat apoplectic rage I have decided to give Benny the whinge an extremely wide berth and basically ignore his argumentative stance on nearly everything. RBG had the audacity of referring to BTN as my b.um chum and tarring me with the same brush! When that happens it is time to let somebody else pick up the baton. Good luck Kenny Kan but be warned it is a thankless and thoroughly miserable task 

[Benny The Noon]

It's good that the thread stays on topic and doesn't resort to certain posters once again throwing derogatory comments at other posters on the forum.

[Green Environment]

I can understand and empathise with both Benny and all the others who are against him. Brendan was an unknown, unproven young manager that we didn't know much about when he was appointed last summer. Martinez was FSG's first choice and I wonder where we would be in the PL had he been appointed based on what happened to his Wigan. IMHO, Brendan at this moment in time is not as good as Rafa(my choice to replace Kenny last year) and finishing 7th is the best he can do right now. If he doesn't improve our league standing, we'll remain stuck at mid table. After only 1 season, we know he is not a relegation battling manager but a mid table manager. Since he is still young as a manager, there are ample opportunities for him to grow and  we can only pray as time passes, he becomes older and wiser and can return the club  to glory. Due to his young age and only 1 season in charge, only time can tell whether he will come out good. By this time next year, we should know more about whether he is the messiah for Liverpool.

[devaney]

I can understand and empathise with both Benny and all the others who are against him. Brendan was an unknown, unproven young manager that we didn't know much about when he was appointed last summer. Martinez was FSG's first choice and I wonder where we would be in the PL had he been appointed based on what happened to his Wigan. IMHO, Brendan at this moment in time is not as good as Rafa(my choice to replace Kenny last year) and finishing 7th is the best he can do right now. If he doesn't improve our league standing, we'll remain stuck at mid table. After only 1 season, we know he is not a relegation battling manager but a mid table manager. Since he is still young as a manager, there are ample opportunities for him to grow and  we can only pray as time passes, he becomes older and wiser and can return the club  to glory. Due to his young age and only 1 season in charge, only time can tell whether he will come out good. By this time next year, we should know more about whether he is the messiah for Liverpool.

I'm at a total loss to understand why you can empathise with supporters (?) who are actually advocating that we sack BR and replace him with Rafa. That in my opinion would be unreasonable in the extreme. You seem to take the sensible view that we will have a better idea this time next year of BR's capabilities. We need stability. I find it amusing that the same individual that is advocating that we sack BR is also heaping praise on Downing in the Downing thread. It should not be forgotten that Downing was a disgrace, and a laughing stock on this forum, for his first 15 months at Liverpool. He also contributed considerably towards Kenny's downfall.

Some supporters have short memories when it comes to Rafa.  Rafa did some excellent work and I will always like him regardless of some of his shortcomings. H & G did not help the situation but some of the disastrous purchases that Rafa was responsible for could hardly be down to them. Dossena, Keane and Aquilani cost more than £40m at a time when supporters were moaning about a lack of support from H & G and proved to be three of the worst purchases the club has ever made. Rafa's handling of Alonso was poor to say the least. Rafa had a stubborn side and it was his way or the highway. Rafa was out of top flight management for two years prior to Chelsea offering him a short term contract. If he had done a truly remarkable job at Liverpool and Inter Milan clubs would have come running. In reality the reverse was true.

[Benny The Noon]

Rafa's "disastrous" signings pale into significance when we see how much we have wasted over the last 3 years. Even BR looks like he could have wasted a good £30mil so far.

Every manager will have signings that don't work out - unless you can show me someone who has a perfect record. Just have to look at the signings that were successful for us and they rank amongst some of the best to have played for the club.

[Reg]

HOW much did the Mancs pay for Veron.......     

[devaney]

I thought I made myself reasonably clear: Dossena, Keane and Aquilani cost more than £40m at a time when supporters were moaning about a lack of support from H & G and proved to be three of the worst purchases the club has ever made.

Rafa's overall transfer record was exceptionally good but that is not to say that towards the end of his tenure he made some very poor decisions which included Dossena, Keane and Aquilani and that certainly contributed towards his eventual downfall.Replacing Alonso with an injured Aquilani was not simply a mistake it was a catastrophic misjudgement. Keane falls into the same category. Mistakes I can live with but I'm afraid those two signings fall into another category.These are Rafa's final purchases prior to him leaving Liverpool and it doesn't make for exciting reading:

Philipp Degen Free Transfer Free * 3 July 2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 4 July 2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11 July 2008
David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24 July 2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham Hotspur £19,000,000 28 July 2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31 August 2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26 June 2009
Alberto Aquilani Roma £17,100,000 * 7 August 2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21 August 2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17 September 2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12 January 2010
Raheem Sterling Queens Park Rangers £500,000 * 27 February 2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton Athletic £1,700,000 * 10 May 2010
Milan Jovanovic Standard Liege Free * 8 July 2010

Why do you actually think that no top clubs apart from a desperate Chelsea have shown any interest in Rafa since his short and somewhat disastrous spell at Inter Milan? You demanded the return of Kenny and look where that got us. Take off the rose tinted spectacle and look at the bigger picture.

I'm desperately trying to ignore you BTN but you do make it extremely difficult with your controversial and highly distorted view of the club I support. If you must respond at least go to the trouble of reading exactly what I have written and the point that is being made.

[Benny The Noon]

Atletico Madrid wanted him as manager not so long ago - you would never actually know which clubs would be interested in him

As for Dossena , Aquilani and Keane being the worst ever signings ?!

What has Borini done and he cost more than Dossena

Aquilani in his short time actually provided more on the pitch than Allen has so far

There are a lot of players who have been far worse in recent decades than those three

I demanded the return of Kenny ? Is that another one of your statements plugged from thin air ! You can provide proof of that

As for what Kenny returning did for us - one trophy - another final and back into Europe.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

having a go at rafa is ridiculous, when he took us over we were right in the sh1.te, we had very little money because houllier had blown it all on french flops (infact not long after rafa arrived moores said he`d after sell the club because he was skint), our style of footy was a joke (remember the hoof chants?) and our two best players gerrard and owen wanted out because they thought we were a busted flush.
but somehow within 12 months we had won the biggest prize in club football.
benitez was competing against some of the most powerful clubs in the world when he was here, at that time united were bragging that they were the biggest club in the world (the first billion pound club), and chelsea spent more money than any club in the history of the game, both were managed by top managers as well.
in comparison all`s that rafa had was a couple of million quid and his notepad but that was all he needed (any money rafa spent he generated himself with his CL runs).
under benitez we knocked the likes of barcelona, real madrid, AC milan, inter milan, juventus, chelsea, arsenal, PSV, marseilles, anderlecht etc etc out of the CL (rafa`s record of getting us to 2 finals, a semi final and a quarter final in 6 years is phenominal) and we were just pipped to the prem title by a united side that had a forward line of christiano ronaldo, rooney and tevez.
and as good as that united team was we beat them home and away that year including a 4-1 defeat at old trafford which came days after we beat real madrid 4-0 at anfield.
i cant believe anyone could have a go at benitez after what he did for this club.
i wouldnt swap rodgers for any manager at this moment but i wouldnt start slating a genuine legend of this club to make my point.

[Ben Patrick]

Top post mate

Rodgers deserves the time and opportunity to try and build something.

But what Rafa did at that time was looking back outstanding and should never be forgotten.

[Benny The Noon]

Spot on the last two in regards to Rafa.

BR will get the chance to take the club back to the top 4

[Kenny Kan]

What is ridiculous is, Rafa wins the Europa cup with Chelsea and this suddenly becomes the focal point across threads perpetuated by one poster in particular. This chav mentality making  someone feeling vindicated to highlight and pretty much slam our current manager after 1 full season in charge is simply trolling for a rise. Pining for Rafa is one thing but at least have the class to show Rodgers some respect without saying you'd happily throw him on the scrapheap for Rafa, and in the meantime show nothing but contempt for our current manager because it won't make Rafa come back quicker!

And while we're at it - Rodgers IMO has got a much harder task of getting us back up there, make no bones about it we were pretty much a top four team when Rafa took over. Now, we have not only to compete with the riches of Manchester United and Chelsea, but you can add Citeh to that list too, Tottenham who have come on leaps and bounds and overtaken us and then there is Arsenal. We're not even a top six team and Rodgers doesn't have the financial clout to really outspend any of those, so the starting position Rodgers has is harder than anything Rafa had - if we're going to start a willy waving contest over 'this & that' let's not lose sight of what pressures Rodgers is under.

[Benny The Noon]

Or maybe I'm pretty much free to have an opinion and post it.

What people shouldn't do is lecture other supporters about respect towards managers etc when their own track record of treatment towards plenty in regards the club is as far from respect as you can get.

This is a forum and people post their opinions about current or past managers - it's not a sign of disrespect if some supporters would prefer another manager on charge because they don't have faith in the current one. And it's certainly not just about Rafa

If Klopp was free I would take him right now , same with Pep or Pellegrini. I would actually even possibly prefer Sami in the role. All because I believe they are better than our current manager.

And financial clout ? How much did he spend this season ? £50-60 mil - compare that to the teams above us and I reckon we outspent all bar one.

[Kenny Kan]

There's a difference between opinion and being a troll. See RBG's thread for indication of that.