Liverpool FC Forum

[Thommo's perm]

Only takes a few defeats for the cry baby's to start sticking the knife into Rodgers. Pathetic.

He inherited a poor squad used to playing route one football despite having 100 million spent on it.

The captain who carried the team on and off for 10 years is no longer capable of doing so and our keeper who was the best in the league with Cech a few years ago seems to have lost it.  The likes of Hyypia and Carra have been replaced by the inferior Agger and Skrtel and a midfield containing Alonso and Mascherano now has players like Allen and Henderson.

We have been in decline since before Benitez left. His team peaked in 2008/09. We haven't qualified for CL since. The previous owners almost put us out of business and the current ones have made a catalogue of errors including Comolli and the disaster that was the summer transfer window. I don't trust them, I don't buy into their 'Arsenal-esque' model and I don't like the fact that they seem to hide when things aren't going well. The Red Sox are a shambles too just now which worries me more.

Rodgers seems to have been appointed with the remit of reducing the wage bill and taking the team forward, oh yeah, and on top of that he has plenty of LFC fans so frustrated by the last few years that they want him to achieve this immediately despite having hardly any transfer funds.

Whether you agree with Rodgers' appointment or philosophy he is here now and we need to give him time. There are plenty I'd vent my frustrations at before Rodgers.

sgs:
"A team with Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas and Suarez cannot be poor. Yes its not as complete a squad as City's but lets not talk it down in order to excuse failings by the manager"

Add on to those 7 the captain of england under 21s, a senior england international, the hottest new young player since owen or rooney and an in form Jose Enrique and you have a distubingly good team, on paper. Why dont they perform like they should? Why havent they got belief in the fact that in the prem only 2 or 3 teams at most would not envy having a team like that?

[Boxscarf]

No its a sign that the money is there. Even without the last 16 mill, its only Manu, city and chelsea that has been spending more than us.

It's no use spending money if we're not going to get quality players into improve us. Thomas Ince and Daniel Sturridge are not the quality we need to move forward. We need to be signing established players with a proven track record of being a good player.

If we are going to sign a striker, let's sign someone who has a better goal to games rating of 38 in 140 for crying out loud. We need goals and we're signing a player who at the mid-way point of the season has scored just 2 goals in 12 appearances.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

QPR have got some decent players, how the hell they have only won 1 game all season with that squad god only knows (granero, taraabt (sp?), cisse, wright-phillips, zamora, park, rob green etc)
redknapp will have them well fired up for this though, he`ll be telling his players that we can be outworked and we dont want to know when the going gets tough so they`ll come right at us on sunday, it`s live on the telly as well so they`ll want to put on a good performance in front of the nation, brendan has got to make it clear to the players that they have got to work their @rses off and match fire with fire.
in normal circumstances after a morale sapping defeat like the one against stoke a draw would do but with away games against city, united and arsenal looming on the horizon we need a win.
i`d bring allen back into the team, we are going to need players who are prepared to put a shift in on sunday.

[red till i die!!]

we bounced back well from the villa debacle and trounced fulham so id be expecting a similar response against Q.P.R, who are absolute dung.
they have only won 1 game so far and id be gutted if we became no 2, even a draw would be a poor result for us.
rodgers had a good pop at them in the media so hopefully that will fire them up

[mart]

No its a sign that the money is there. Even without the last 16 mill, its only Manu, city and chelsea that has been spending more than us.

It's no use spending money if we're not going to get quality players into improve us. Thomas Ince and Daniel Sturridge are not the quality we need to move forward. We need to be signing established players with a proven track record of being a good player.

If we are going to sign a striker, let's sign someone who has a better goal to games rating of 38 in 140 for crying out loud. We need goals and we're signing a player who at the mid-way point of the season has scored just 2 goals in 12 appearances.

I didnt say anything about the quality we decide to buy only that the money is there. But sure i dont have any faith that Ince or Sturridge will improve the team, but Rodgers is the one that decides who we get.

[metalhead]

Metalhead - on this season's form Gerrard, Reina and Sahin are not 'top 4' players. And Lucas hasn't been fully fit at any point.

Defensively Skrtel and Agger have been inconsistent and although they are decent they are both overrated by LFC fans.

The only 3 players we have been able to rely on this season consistently are Suarez,  Johnson and to a slightly lesser extent Enrique. After that maybe Sterling who is now looking a bit jaded.

We are seriously short of quality imo mate.

Hi mate, I'm not judgding with form, I'm judging with quality of players. Gerrard, Reina, Lucas and Sahin on form are top players. Skrtel and Agger are good players for top 6 sides, as well as Enrique and Johnson. Last season, we conceded less goals when Skrtel-Agger partnered and even at some point had the second best defensive record in the league after Man City and when Agger and Lucas got injured we started conceding a lot again. Now with BR's philosophy we seem to be naive in defense.

We spent 15m on a midfielder, when we could have spent it on a finisher, which we really lacked! I fail to see any good coming out from the summer transfer window. We've been poor in the transfer market since 2008 and we've been repeating the same mistakes over and over again, from Rafa to Hodgson to Kenny and now to Brendan Rodgers. Do you really think Tom Ince (not a single game in the premier league) and Daniel Sturridge would solve our problems?

I'm in with supporting the manager and giving him time, but with the way I see it right now, the shambolic summer transfer window and results aren't going our way, I cannot trust Rodgers, I'm actually scared that we will repeat the same mistakes in the transfer window this January. I hope I'm wrong, but after the summer I don't feel any optimism

[metalhead]

Well it's always nice to see some of the usual suspects appear again on board after a loss and put the knife into the manager's back...

A lot of the posters on here have VERY valid arguments on where Rodgers is falling down, for example bringing in Sturridge raises A LOT of concerns.

I have NOT read a SINGLE post asking for him to resign or to be sacked. 

Rather then make silly one line comments try and put some arguments forward on where Rodgers is getting it right and where our drive to 4th may come from.

Because at this moment in time, unless we buy a very, very good playmaker in January we are well and truly f**ked for this season.

TBH I am f**king livid if Rodgers brings in Sturridge and Ince. More money wasted. But I can only hope I am proven wrong and we make a solid run from here onwards.

Agreed Eds, my main concern is mistakes being repeated in the transfer market. Sturridge and Ince? We had 4 months to search the whole globe and we still go in for overrated english players. Haven't we learned from our past mistakes?

[eds]

Rather then make silly one line comments try and put some arguments forward on where Rodgers is getting it right and where our drive to 4th may come from.

You can't teach a blind man to see... I've given up on most of you negative feckers on here...

As I said STOP with the stupid one line responses, although I do like your blind man metaphor, sums up your silly blind faith perfectly.

Are you so self deluded that not one single aspect of your support can be perceived as constructive criticism.

You must be one of those silly buggers that goes into a fetal position everytime performance appraisal time comes around at your work. 

How boring would this forum be if zombies just came on clapping like idiots for more mediocrity and not discussing from a football perspective where we are going wrong.

Once again you haven't discussed a single argument posed by various people, you would rather make stupid redudant little one liners to show you are "witty" or want to be perceived as having "intelligence"   

[eds]

Well it's always nice to see some of the usual suspects appear again on board after a loss and put the knife into the manager's back...

A lot of the posters on here have VERY valid arguments on where Rodgers is falling down, for example bringing in Sturridge raises A LOT of concerns.

I have NOT read a SINGLE post asking for him to resign or to be sacked. 

Rather then make silly one line comments try and put some arguments forward on where Rodgers is getting it right and where our drive to 4th may come from.

Because at this moment in time, unless we buy a very, very good playmaker in January we are well and truly f**ked for this season.

TBH I am f**king livid if Rodgers brings in Sturridge and Ince. More money wasted. But I can only hope I am proven wrong and we make a solid run from here onwards.

Agreed Eds, my main concern is mistakes being repeated in the transfer market. Sturridge and Ince? We had 4 months to search the whole globe and we still go in for overrated english players. Haven't we learned from our past mistakes?

Look its better than not signing anyone at all but I'm not convinced by this ridiculous argument that "beggars cant be choosers".

F**k that if smaller sides can bring in quality players why can't we take some calculated risks in the foreign players market?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

we bounced back well from the villa debacle and trounced fulham so id be expecting a similar response against Q.P.R, who are absolute dung.
they have only won 1 game so far and id be gutted if we became no 2, even a draw would be a poor result for us.
rodgers had a good pop at them in the media so hopefully that will fire them up

fulham stood off us mate, every team that has managed to fuse a high tempo together with aggression has caused us major problems and that fact wont have escaped the notice of redknapp. infact it wont have escaped the notice of every manager in the division.
QPR are fighting for their premiership lives right now so i hope our players are expecting a battle, if we waltz into loftus road thinking the 3 points are already in the bag then we`ll come unstuck again, our players have got to realise that whenever we play against another premiership team we have got (at the very least) to match them in terms of energy and workrate, only then when we`ve matched their effort will our superior ability win the day, but all the ability in the world means nothing without effort, people often forget that apart from being a fantastically gifted side barcelona are one of the hardest working teams on the planet.
whenever we play against united or someone of that ilk our players go into the game prepared to run themselves into the ground for the cause and we look a really good side when everyone gives their all, but for some reason our players seem to think they only have to put that sort of shift in when the really big games come around, we need that type of comitment and effort out of them every time they step out onto the pitch not 3 or 4 times a season.

[maguskwt]

Rather then make silly one line comments try and put some arguments forward on where Rodgers is getting it right and where our drive to 4th may come from.

You can't teach a blind man to see... I've given up on most of you negative feckers on here...

As I said STOP with the stupid one line responses, although I do like your blind man metaphor, sums up your silly blind faith perfectly.

Are you so self deluded that not one single aspect of your support can be perceived as constructive criticism.

You must be one of those silly buggers that goes into a fetal position everytime performance appraisal time comes around at your work. 

How boring would this forum be if zombies just came on clapping like idiots for more mediocrity and not discussing from a football perspective where we are going wrong.

Once again you haven't discussed a single argument posed by various people, you would rather make stupid redudant little one liners to show you are "witty" or want to be perceived as having "intelligence"   :suspect:

I've said what I've said... if you care to read, you can find it... or you can continue with your self-indulgent teenage rant... it's really all up to you...

As for me I'm just flabbergasted how little support a young and promising liverpool manager with a vision who is trying to do his best to turnaround a stagnant football club gets these days. It was the same with Rafa who was wheeling and dealing within severe constraints but at least Rafa had like 3 seasons before the knives came out. Now it's 6 feckin months...

[maguskwt]

This notion of BR going for british players is again another myth... Sahin, Assaidi, Yesil and Borini are all non-british. Sturridge is a young and promising striker who is alot better than Carroll and the need to reinforce in January and his availability has dictated the transfer. As for Ince, it seems like he's more of a long term investment.

[Kenny Kan]

we bounced back well from the villa debacle and trounced fulham so id be expecting a similar response against Q.P.R, who are absolute dung.
they have only won 1 game so far and id be gutted if we became no 2, even a draw would be a poor result for us.
rodgers had a good pop at them in the media so hopefully that will fire them up

fulham stood off us mate, every team that has managed to fuse a high tempo together with aggression has caused us major problems and that fact wont have escaped the notice of redknapp. infact it wont have escaped the notice of every manager in the division.
QPR are fighting for their premiership lives right now so i hope our players are expecting a battle, if we waltz into loftus road thinking the 3 points are already in the bag then we`ll come unstuck again, our players have got to realise that whenever we play against another premiership team we have got (at the very least) to match them in terms of energy and workrate, only then when we`ve matched their effort will our superior ability win the day, but all the ability in the world means nothing without effort, people often forget that apart from being a fantastically gifted side barcelona are one of the hardest working teams on the planet.
whenever we play against united or someone of that ilk our players go into the game prepared to run themselves into the ground for the cause and we look a really good side when everyone gives their all, but for some reason our players seem to think they only have to put that sort of shift in when the really big games come around, we need that type of comitment and effort out of them every time they step out onto the pitch not 3 or 4 times a season.

Good post. Many true words spoken in there.

[parchpea]

I get the impression Rodgers is just showing signs of feeling a bit of pressure at this point
and he will be praying for a win at QPR and a successful window to give himself some
breathing space, take some heat off.

Hes taken a hell of a job on under the circumstances, and even with best intentions and
long term plans it doesnt stop the pressure weighing down at a club like Liverpool and
it will be interesting to see how he handles things if it goes against us tomorrow against
whipping boys QPR, a side that we have traditionally struggled with away from  home.

[The Raven]

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has responded to reporters who pointed out that his record is no better than axed former boss Roy Hodgson.

Rodgers’ inconsistent side slumped to a 3-1 defeat at Stoke on Wednesday that left the Reds with 25 points from 19 league matches.

That disappointing total is exactly the same as Hodgson, now in charge of England, managed in his short reign at Anfield, which came to a premature end with his sacking in January 2011.

But Rodgers, who arrived from Swansea in the close-season, insists he isn’t losing any sleep over his position because there is no comparison with the Hodgson era.

Rodgers benefits from a position of greater strength as he was the choice of owners Fenway Sports Group and, while his record may not be as good as predecessor Kenny Dalglish, he is working to a different set of objectives than those given to the Scot.
“I don’t think about them to be honest, it is not something I am overly worried about,” he said of comparisons with Hodgson’s record.

“I have been brought in here to do a job and the owners have been brilliant with me.

“The backing I’ve had from supporters has been incredible considering and that is the most important group really.

“They recognise what is going on, they understand like I would understand the frustration.”

Rodgers is adamant Liverpool are making progress despite their struggle to piece together a winning run and he believes his overhaul of the Reds’ squad will gradually reap rewards.

“Any comparisons I don’t really focus on and it is difficult to compare the two groups because there is a lot of youthfulness in this group but yet still a lot of growth left in the team,” he said.

“There is a lot of progressing to do because we’re 10th in the table and this is a club which wants to be at the very top but the only way you can do that is by reconstruction of the work and building the squad.

“That is what is going to take a bit of time. I always say it’s like a good meal – I’m not a great cook but a good meal takes a wee bit of time but also to offer a good meal you need good ingredients.

“That is something we will do over time and hopefully put a nice meal on the table for supporters.”