Liverpool FC Forum

[SouthCoastShankly]

Well if anybody thinks Rodgers is going to turn this around really NEED TO WAKE UP.we have amassed the lowest points total since the 3 pts for a win was introduced after 19 games oh yes he's taking us forward ok

its these types of naive posts that annoy me. There is no context.

We are 21 points from the top yet in previous season we have been further adrift, under both Evavs and Houllier we were 30points adrift by Xmas. Yet we would have accrued more points.

The league is harder now that before, the playing field is more level, every week there are lower sides upsetting the big teams. This was unheard of in the mid 90s.

Try to avoid picking statistics that match your agenda, anyone would think you write for a red top.

[laza]

also feel we lack a hardman, i mean a real Hardman
graeme souness
jan molby
neil ruddock
julian dicks

skrtel? it dont work for me.

Dicks and Ruddock , I think I prefer Skrtel regardless of how many times those two ended up in Vinnie Jones' hardmen video compliations

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

maguskwt

And the all conquering Barcelona wasn't build in half a season. It took decades for them to reap the rewards of their academy. Now here we are, judging the manager after half a season. Kenny spent 80 million on the squad and underperformed. It would be understandable if the criticisms directed at BR came after he was given a similar amount of money to build his team. I will say this now... if we are patient and gives the manager the support that he deserves then we will reap the benefits of BR's revolution. And this is a revolution not evolution that the club is going through at the moment.

what exactly are you basing this confidence on? i see nothing in his CV to suggest that he is some sort of footballing visionary with the ferguson-esque ability to turn around a fallen giant.
he has been a manager for a grand total of 4 years and his claim to fame is that he got swansea into the premiership via the play off`s, this brilliant `total football` swansea side of his finished behind neil warnocks QPR and paul lamberts norwich.
i wouldnt mind if he was the man who took swansea through the divisions and instilled this style of play throughout the club but he wasnt, roberto martinez did that, dont forget swansea were getting plaudits for their style of play years before rodgers got there.
the season before he arrived they finished 7th so it`s not like he massively improved them, they were there or thereabouts anyway and had been knocking on the door for promotion for a few years.
in his other 2 jobs he was very average, he was sacked from reading because results were so poor and at watford he managed to get them to halfway after spending most of the season in the bottom 3. this isnt ancient history either this all happened in the last 4 years.
he hasnt exactly enhanced his reputation here.
i`d just like to know why people are so confident that he is the man to turn around one of the biggest clubs in the world? he hasnt even won a johnsons paint trophy never mind the prem title or the CL.
you may think he`s going to build a new barcelona by bringing in his mates like allen and borini but i dont, maybe if he starts bringing in a load of spanish players then i will buy into his vision myself but while we are being linked with english players like sturridge and ince i`m afraid i`m going to remain sceptical about seeing a catalonian style revolution appearing on the banks of the mersey anytime soon.

[Boxscarf]

My problem with Rodgers is not his philosophy or desire to emulate the total football that Barcelona play, it's the fact that we just aren't doing it well enough for it to be effective. Our players just do not have the ability to play that way, sure we might have done five or six years ago when we had Alonso, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Torres, Mascherano etc, but those players have gone and in their place inferior players have come in.

At this moment in time I'd rather we lined up with a 4-4-2 formation and played ugly, direct football that Stoke City play, then try and play tika-taka football which has amassed just 25 points in 19 league games.

I'm also not really happy that there is a good chance we'll sign Daniel Sturridge in January. The fella has scored 2 goals in 12 appearances, no better than Carroll's 1 goal in 9 games for West Ham. Sturridge has scored 38 goals in 140 appearances, so he's not exactly prolific and who is to say he'll come into Liverpool and will suddenly become a 20 goals a season striker? In fact all of Rodgers signings with the exception of Assaidi have struggled this term, then again so has the entire team in truth. I watched Joe Allen play for Swansea and he looked like a really good young talent, him and Leon Brittain were the two Swansea players I loved watching last season. However Joe Allen like Carroll, Downing and Henderson seems to struggling with the adjustment of going from a club which wasn't expected to achieve much at all to a club where you are expected to challenge for honours every season. Borini has spent most of his time here injured and hasn't looked like anything special and Nuri Sahin seems to have been dropped for not really setting the blue touch paper alight immediately.

I still support Rodgers and I still want him as our manager next season, irrespective of what happens this season, but the proposed signing of Daniel Sturridge worries me a lot.

[alwayslfc]

Appointing BR was a gamble and doesn't look like it's paying dividends. It was a shame Rafa wasn't re-appointed in the summer, had he been appointed I'm sure we wouldn't be where we are now. Rafa's first year here, we finished 5th, I don't think we'll finish anywhere near 5th this first season of BR, more likely 5th from bottom. Even promoting S.Clark we could have done better, look at how well his WBrom is doing better than us. And their players are no better than Liverpool. Chelsea looks like they are starting to fly under Rafa and I hope to see him back here next summer when he's sacked by Roman for not winning the PL this season.

Up until now I just don't understand why FSG wanted BR, a fella with only 1 full year of premiership experience and had not won any trophies and performed badly at Reading and Watford. How can such a manager qualify to lead a club like Liverpool. Our rivals must had been laughing behind our backs and still are and hope he will continue to manage Liverpool so that we'll continue to be sh*t

[JC_81]

Only takes a few defeats for the cry baby's to start sticking the knife into Rodgers. Pathetic.

He inherited a poor squad used to playing route one football despite having 100 million spent on it.

The captain who carried the team on and off for 10 years is no longer capable of doing so and our keeper who was the best in the league with Cech a few years ago seems to have lost it.  The likes of Hyypia and Carra have been replaced by the inferior Agger and Skrtel and a midfield containing Alonso and Mascherano now has players like Allen and Henderson.

We have been in decline since before Benitez left. His team peaked in 2008/09. We haven't qualified for CL since. The previous owners almost put us out of business and the current ones have made a catalogue of errors including Comolli and the disaster that was the summer transfer window. I don't trust them, I don't buy into their 'Arsenal-esque' model and I don't like the fact that they seem to hide when things aren't going well. The Red Sox are a shambles too just now which worries me more.

Rodgers seems to have been appointed with the remit of reducing the wage bill and taking the team forward, oh yeah, and on top of that he has plenty of LFC fans so frustrated by the last few years that they want him to achieve this immediately despite having hardly any transfer funds.

Whether you agree with Rodgers' appointment or philosophy he is here now and we need to give him time. There are plenty I'd vent my frustrations at before Rodgers.

[lakes10]

also feel we lack a hardman, i mean a real Hardman
graeme souness
jan molby
neil ruddock
julian dicks

skrtel? it dont work for me.

Dicks and Ruddock , I think I prefer Skrtel regardless of how many times those two ended up in Vinnie Jones' hardmen video compliations

it dont work like that, if you have a real hardman in your team your best players tend to be better protected, this was put in place when souness would go in hard if Kenny was getting kicked about. soon Kenny was finding more space.Molby done the same job for Rush. (but most of the team where hardmen in 80's)

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

also feel we lack a hardman, i mean a real Hardman
graeme souness
jan molby
neil ruddock
julian dicks

skrtel? it dont work for me.

Dicks and Ruddock , I think I prefer Skrtel regardless of how many times those two ended up in Vinnie Jones' hardmen video compliations

it dont work like that, if you have a real hardman in your team your best players tend to be better protected, this was put in place when souness would go in hard if Kenny was getting kicked about. soon Kenny was finding more space.Molby done the same job for Rush. (but most of the team where hardmen in 80's)

physically we are as weak as p1$$, this is the most lightweight liverpool side i`ve ever seen.
any side with a physical approach just brushes us aside with ease, we were floundering against west ham until diame went off, up to that point him and carlton cole were giving us nightmares.
someone wants to point out to rodgers that we dont play in spain were every side, even the bottom clubs, try to play football, we play in england were 80% of the teams we play against base their games around being hard to beat and a hard work ethic.
set pieces play a huge role in this country, infact over half the goals scored in england come about either directly or indirectly as a result of a set piece and yet we have no one in our side that can be described as good in the air.
we need to get some steel in the side and that doesnt neccessarily mean going out and signing hatchet men that means the players in our squad have got to be prepared to roll their sleeves up and battle.
it`s getting too easy to beat us at the moment

[mart]

Rodgers seems to have been appointed with the remit of reducing the wage bill and taking the team forward, oh yeah, and on top of that he has plenty of LFC fans so frustrated by the last few years that they want him to achieve this immediately despite having hardly any transfer funds.

Do you consider 45+ mill "hardly any transfer funds"?

Its far from the arsenal model where they make a profit on transfers most seasons.

[JC_81]

Rodgers seems to have been appointed with the remit of reducing the wage bill and taking the team forward, oh yeah, and on top of that he has plenty of LFC fans so frustrated by the last few years that they want him to achieve this immediately despite having hardly any transfer funds.

Do you consider 45+ mill "hardly any transfer funds"?

Its far from the arsenal model where they make a profit on transfers most seasons.

45 mil?

Nonsense. It's 28 plus whatever the Sahin loan fee is.

[sgs]

Only takes a few defeats for the cry baby's to start sticking the knife into Rodgers. Pathetic.

He inherited a poor squad used to playing route one football despite having 100 million spent on it.

The captain who carried the team on and off for 10 years is no longer capable of doing so and our keeper who was the best in the league with Cech a few years ago seems to have lost it.  The likes of Hyypia and Carra have been replaced by the inferior Agger and Skrtel and a midfield containing Alonso and Mascherano now has players like Allen and Henderson.

We have been in decline since before Benitez left. His team peaked in 2008/09. We haven't qualified for CL since. The previous owners almost put us out of business and the current ones have made a catalogue of errors including Comolli and the disaster that was the summer transfer window. I don't trust them, I don't buy into their 'Arsenal-esque' model and I don't like the fact that they seem to hide when things aren't going well. The Red Sox are a shambles too just now which worries me more.

Rodgers seems to have been appointed with the remit of reducing the wage bill and taking the team forward, oh yeah, and on top of that he has plenty of LFC fans so frustrated by the last few years that they want him to achieve this immediately despite having hardly any transfer funds.

Whether you agree with Rodgers' appointment or philosophy he is here now and we need to give him time. There are plenty I'd vent my frustrations at before Rodgers.

A team with Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas and Suarez cannot be poor. Yes its not as complete a squad as City's but lets not talk it down in order to excuse failings by the manager.

I'm not sure we are top 5 level atm, but we are underperforming. Worse, the ideas BR was supposed to bring to the table are not visible, at least not in any sustainable manner..

As a new manager u have options; build from existing structures or go root and branch. He chose the latter and as yet is not able to stamp his ideas in any consistent manner. Worse, where we were strong b/4 him, like in defence, we are poorer- with the same players!

Liverpool has been passing and moving since Shankly...He had a good base to begin with, as he himself acknowledged.

I'm not advocating his sack. We need long term thinking...But lets quit making excuses for him....

[parchpea]

I always say it's like a good meal - I'm not a great cook but a good meal takes a wee bit of time but also to offer a good meal you need good ingredients.

"That is something we will do over time and hopefully put a nice meal on the table for supporters."

Brendan I am absolutely famished though mate 

[mart]

Rodgers seems to have been appointed with the remit of reducing the wage bill and taking the team forward, oh yeah, and on top of that he has plenty of LFC fans so frustrated by the last few years that they want him to achieve this immediately despite having hardly any transfer funds.

Do you consider 45+ mill "hardly any transfer funds"?

Its far from the arsenal model where they make a profit on transfers most seasons.

45 mil?

Nonsense. It's 28 plus whatever the Sahin loan fee is.

its 28 + at least 16 now for christmas. Thats at least 45 mill during this season.

[JC_81]

Mart - you can hardly count the money spent in January as evidence that Rodgers is performing poorly as manager. Those players, if signed, haven't had a chance to make an impact yet.

[mart]

No its a sign that the money is there. Even without the last 16 mill, its only Manu, city and chelsea that has been spending more than us.