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[SouthCoastShankly]

A trophy that meant we ended our wait for a trophy, a trophy that means we're back in Europe, a trophy that means we have more than three players who won something with Liverpool in the squad, a trophy that keeps us as England's most successful club, a trophy that brought me to tears when we won, a trophy that was quite possibly the happiest I've been in the last few years supporting Liverpool. So yeah, that trophy meant f*ck all.

Kenny's sacking was shocking, a man who has done so much for this club as a player, manager and human being should be allowed to walkaway when he wants not when some yank without a clue thinks so.

So wrong.

Whilst I did not agree with the way things panned out with Kenny.

No manager, no matter what standing he has with the club, should be able to have power over the owners. All managers should be judged on results, not on history. I think it was premature to let Kenny go but in reality there has been no uproar to his departure because last season was terrible.

Even legends are not, and should not be, immune to criticism.

[baldricks_cunning_plan]

A trophy that meant we ended our wait for a trophy, a trophy that means we're back in Europe, a trophy that means we have more than three players who won something with Liverpool in the squad, a trophy that keeps us as England's most successful club, a trophy that brought me to tears when we won, a trophy that was quite possibly the happiest I've been in the last few years supporting Liverpool. So yeah, that trophy meant f*ck all.

Kenny's sacking was shocking, a man who has done so much for this club as a player, manager and human being should be allowed to walkaway when he wants not when some yank without a clue thinks so.

So wrong.

Whilst I did not agree with the way things panned out with Kenny.

No manager, no matter what standing he has with the club, should be able to have power over the owners. All managers should be judged on results, not on history. I think it was premature to let Kenny go but in reality there has been no uproar to his departure because last season was terrible.

Even legends are not, and should not be, immune to criticism.

No one said Kenny was immune from criticism or that he should be immune from it, but he should of had the say on when he left because the only time he'd leave the club he's done so much for is when he felt he couldn't do the job properly anymore. If he felt he was still up to the job then that's good enough for me because I trust Kenny's judgement on football matters a whole lot more than I do the owners.

[heimdall]

A trophy that meant we ended our wait for a trophy, a trophy that means we're back in Europe, a trophy that means we have more than three players who won something with Liverpool in the squad, a trophy that keeps us as England's most successful club, a trophy that brought me to tears when we won, a trophy that was quite possibly the happiest I've been in the last few years supporting Liverpool. So yeah, that trophy meant f*ck all.

Kenny's sacking was shocking, a man who has done so much for this club as a player, manager and human being should be allowed to walkaway when he wants not when some yank without a clue thinks so.

So wrong.

Whilst I did not agree with the way things panned out with Kenny.

No manager, no matter what standing he has with the club, should be able to have power over the owners. All managers should be judged on results, not on history. I think it was premature to let Kenny go but in reality there has been no uproar to his departure because last season was terrible.

Even legends are not, and should not be, immune to criticism.

No one said Kenny was immune from criticism or that he should be immune from it, but he should of had the say on when he left because the only time he'd leave the club he's done so much for is when he felt he couldn't do the job properly anymore. If he felt he was still up to the job then that's good enough for me because I trust Kenny's judgement on football matters a whole lot more than I do the owners.

Lets say for one crazy moment that you were the owner, would you be happy with not being able to fire the manager even if he got the team relegated. Of course the owners have the right to fire anyone they want and that's how it has to be. In any case Kenny had a horrible league season and had to go, I still have the utmost faith in Brendan but he needs to pick a new cpatain for the club becasue Stevie is not doing his job, he should have been firing the players up against West Brom and been givign them a verbal kick up the ***** instead of leading by example in having a negative attitude and feck all drive and passion.

[SouthCoastShankly]

A trophy that meant we ended our wait for a trophy, a trophy that means we're back in Europe, a trophy that means we have more than three players who won something with Liverpool in the squad, a trophy that keeps us as England's most successful club, a trophy that brought me to tears when we won, a trophy that was quite possibly the happiest I've been in the last few years supporting Liverpool. So yeah, that trophy meant f*ck all.

Kenny's sacking was shocking, a man who has done so much for this club as a player, manager and human being should be allowed to walkaway when he wants not when some yank without a clue thinks so.

So wrong.

Whilst I did not agree with the way things panned out with Kenny.

No manager, no matter what standing he has with the club, should be able to have power over the owners. All managers should be judged on results, not on history. I think it was premature to let Kenny go but in reality there has been no uproar to his departure because last season was terrible.

Even legends are not, and should not be, immune to criticism.

No one said Kenny was immune from criticism or that he should be immune from it, but he should of had the say on when he left because the only time he'd leave the club he's done so much for is when he felt he couldn't do the job properly anymore. If he felt he was still up to the job then that's good enough for me because I trust Kenny's judgement on football matters a whole lot more than I do the owners.

Clearly you are saying that or at least suggesting he could never do any wrong.

Obviously he has the right to step down, but no one should write in stone that this is the only way he should leave.

[maguskwt]

Kenny is gone! Move on!

[red till i die!!]

im sure everyone is upset after the wba result esp in the manner that we lost but we have to keep faith and hope that we can improve enough to at least challenge for top 4.even if we dont get make it its important that we are in the hunt for as long as possible.
i always thought that if we had 6 pts from our first 5 games (considering we have 3 of the top in there) then it wouldnt be all that bad.we can still get that quota but it means we have to up the standard and level of our play and perform.
we cannot allow the same mistakes from last year to haunt us again especially seen as we have a new manager,tactics and personnel.last season was full of excuses and reaching for the same ones again with the changes that has been rang since is just being naive.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

kenny didnt deserve to be sacked, getting to the two domestic cup finals in one season takes some doing (not to mention beating the likes of united, chelsea and city along the way) and although we finished 8th in the league there were extenuating circumstances, he lost lucas for the season in november and gerrard didnt return from a calender year out of the game himself until after christmas. you can add to that the suarez affair and all the fallout from it too (including a 9 match ban for your best player).
the performances under kenny werent bad, out of the 38 league games there were probably only 5 of them were we werent the better side. god knows how many times we hit the post and reina decided to have his worst season since he`s been here....kenny was unlucky to lose his job i thought.

[Simari]

I can see a lot of fans here are willing to give BR time to build up Liverpool, which is good. But, there's a but here,  if that is the case, then we must be prepared to lose Suarez next summer. A player of his calibre will not want to play for a team where qualifying for CL will take a few more seasons. Football playing career of a player is short and he won't have the patience to wait that long. I know he signed a long term contract recently but that doesn't mean he won't ask to leave as early as next summer. It is just that we can command a higher price tag because of his long term contract.

You've spotted exactly what we will need to put up with, moving forward. As much as I hate to admit, I've already accepted that our approach with NESV as our owners, is going to mirror Arsenal.
Chelsea/City/PSG/Real will still spend absurd amounts over the next 2-3 years and will squeeze every loophole available to them to do so.

The only viable alternative is to assume and take the gamble that FFP will eventually come into play and we may stand to benefit in the long run.

In the meantime, in my opinion, our future lies with our academy and I do hope BR can influence our footballing philosophy from grass roots (perhaps even creating a new breed of technically gifted and physically strong footballers  . It is a pipe dream, but it's better to have one that none at all.)

[bowolf42]

I can see a lot of fans here are willing to give BR time to build up Liverpool, which is good. But, there's a but here,  if that is the case, then we must be prepared to lose Suarez next summer. A player of his calibre will not want to play for a team where qualifying for CL will take a few more seasons. Football playing career of a player is short and he won't have the patience to wait that long. I know he signed a long term contract recently but that doesn't mean he won't ask to leave as early as next summer. It is just that we can command a higher price tag because of his long term contract.

You've spotted exactly what we will need to put up with, moving forward. As much as I hate to admit, I've already accepted that our approach with NESV as our owners, is going to mirror Arsenal.
Chelsea/City/PSG/Real will still spend absurd amounts over the next 2-3 years and will squeeze every loophole available to them to do so.

The only viable alternative is to assume and take the gamble that FFP will eventually come into play and we may stand to benefit in the long run.

In the meantime, in my opinion, our future lies with our academy and I do hope BR can influence our footballing philosophy from grass roots (perhaps even creating a new breed of technically gifted and physically strong footballers  . It is a pipe dream, but it's better to have one that none at all.)

Unfortunately your spot on mate

It's a bitter pill too swallow and personally waiting for us to rely on the academy will take such a long time

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I can see a lot of fans here are willing to give BR time to build up Liverpool, which is good. But, there's a but here,  if that is the case, then we must be prepared to lose Suarez next summer. A player of his calibre will not want to play for a team where qualifying for CL will take a few more seasons. Football playing career of a player is short and he won't have the patience to wait that long. I know he signed a long term contract recently but that doesn't mean he won't ask to leave as early as next summer. It is just that we can command a higher price tag because of his long term contract.

You've spotted exactly what we will need to put up with, moving forward. As much as I hate to admit, I've already accepted that our approach with NESV as our owners, is going to mirror Arsenal.
Chelsea/City/PSG/Real will still spend absurd amounts over the next 2-3 years and will squeeze every loophole available to them to do so.

The only viable alternative is to assume and take the gamble that FFP will eventually come into play and we may stand to benefit in the long run.

In the meantime, in my opinion, our future lies with our academy and I do hope BR can influence our footballing philosophy from grass roots (perhaps even creating a new breed of technically gifted and physically strong footballers  . It is a pipe dream, but it's better to have one that none at all.)

we might even struggle to keep hold of the best players coming through our ranks, apparently suso is in the final year of his contract and the club are struggling to get him to sign a new one. by all accounts there`s a bit of a mexican standoff between the club and suso, we wont play him in first team games until he signs a new contract but he`s not keen on signing one at this point for some reason (could be over money or something, god knows).
he`s actually in the middle of a 4 game ban at the moment for being sent off twice in reserve team fixtures but i was reading on rawk that a few weeks ago he apparently sent a tweet along the lines of - not in first squad again, all i can do is keep trying again and again and again`. he`s 19 in november and probably feels that his career should be moving a bit quicker.
if he doesnt sign a new contract in the next few months i reckon the elite of clubs of europe will be falling over themselves to sign him up.

[damjan193]

just remember last seasons's arsenal... they started out really ***** but still managed to qualify for CL...

No they didn't. They had us and United right at the start. It was a bad result against United sure, but that doesn't mean they had a bad start. We were being oled by WBA.

they didn't have a bad start last season?      after august they were near the relegation zone!

Please feel free to drown in your own misery after 1 league game... just don't drag the rest of us in... 

I'm not being miserable, but we got outplayed by WBA and I'm sorry but that deserves bad comments. I'm confident we'll bounce back, but our first game of this season didn't show much improvement. As for Arsenal

August

13 Sat Barclays Premier League A Newcastle United 0 0 (draw)
16 Tue UEFA Champions League H Udinese                  1 0      (win)
20 Sat Barclays Premier League H Liverpool                  0 2     (lose)
24 Wed UEFA Champions League A Udinese                  1 2 (win)
28 Sun Barclays Premier League A Manchester United 8 2     (lose)

September

10 Sat Barclays Premier League H Swansea                  1 0      (win)
13 Tue UEFA Champions League A Borussia Dortmund 1 1 (draw)
17 Sat Barclays Premier League A Blackburn Rovers 4 3 (lose)
20 Tue Carling Cup                 H Shrewsbury          3 1      (win)
24 Sat Barclays Premier League H Bolton Wanderers 3 0      (win)
28 Wed UEFA Champions League H Olympiacos          2 1      (win)


Followed by a lose against Spurs, a win against Sunderlend, a win against Stoke and a win against Chelsea in October. Like I said, losing 2 games against us and Manchester United can't be called a bad start, considering the following results. Everybody's saying they had a bad start because of the bad result against United and the bad performance against us.

[Boxscarf]

i still don't get why we didn't push the boat out to get sigurdsson and just offer him what he wanted, especially with the freeing up of wages by getting rid of certain players.

He preferred to join Spurs than us, that's what it came down to at the end of the day. There's not much a club can do if a player they want to sign wants to sign for somebody else.

[Benny The Noon]

i still don't get why we didn't push the boat out to get sigurdsson and just offer him what he wanted, especially with the freeing up of wages by getting rid of certain players.

He preferred to join Spurs than us, that's what it came down to at the end of the day. There's not much a club can do if a player they want to sign wants to sign for somebody else.

He preffered the extra 20 grand a week

[friendlyguy33]

We all had our say after the disappointment of saturday's result but there is one thing we will all hopefully agree on and that's that we must get behind the manager. He's still the right man for the job and he's been brave and bold in his public statements about the future and the challenges ahead.

Though I don't want to see too many tonkings in the next few weeks and months I accept that it's going to be a long haul to recovery and a better future. I think he will succeed and he needs to be backed in these difficult times.

[bunglemark2]

Well Coach....I'm sure you're reading these posts (errrr, maybe not)
Anyway, observe how Fellaini's height tore the United defence a new collective ar$e tonight, and consider that when you're saying Andy Carroll is Plan B or C, got it?