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by **maguskwt** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:58 am

s@int wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
s@int wrote:Yeah, we are much better with a loyal manager like Rafa who would never dream of allowing his agent to tout him to different clubs , lie about prospective owners, and use his "friends" to try to blackmail the club.

we will soon find out...

but what's lying about prospective owners all about? why on earth would rafa lie about prospective owners... and good would that do to him?

Just over a week ago Benitez's agent Manuel Garcia Quilon claimed an unnamed Chinese investor was interested in taking over the club and had already spoken to the manager about keeping him on next season.

Benitez subsequently denied Quilon's claims.
LINK TO FULL ARTICLE

If you remember back Rafa's agent said that the prospective new owners would only buy Liverpool IF Rafa stayed on.

Rafa then had to deny it (days later) when it became clear that NO SUCH DISCUSSION HAD TAKEN PLACE.

These kinda things happen all the time with agents [email]s@int...[/email] you can't control them 24/7... we don't know that Rafa told his agent to act in this way, we don't know what reallly happened...

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:03 am

Martin O'neil according to Dave usher . :sniffle

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:03 am

maguskwt wrote:
s@int wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
s@int wrote:Yeah, we are much better with a loyal manager like Rafa who would never dream of allowing his agent to tout him to different clubs , lie about prospective owners, and use his "friends" to try to blackmail the club.

we will soon find out...

but what's lying about prospective owners all about? why on earth would rafa lie about prospective owners... and good would that do to him?

Just over a week ago Benitez's agent Manuel Garcia Quilon claimed an unnamed Chinese investor was interested in taking over the club and had already spoken to the manager about keeping him on next season.

Benitez subsequently denied Quilon's claims.
LINK TO FULL ARTICLE

If you remember back Rafa's agent said that the prospective new owners would only buy Liverpool IF Rafa stayed on.

Rafa then had to deny it (days later) when it became clear that NO SUCH DISCUSSION HAD TAKEN PLACE.

These kinda things happen all the time with agents [email=s@int...]s@int...[/email] you can't control them 24/7... we don't know that Rafa told his agent to act in this way, we don't know what reallly happened...

If you were paying someone half a million pounds a year, I think you would know exactly how that person would act mate, and if they did things against your wishes they wouldn't last long.

Agents do what their clients tell them to.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:06 am

s@int wrote:If you were paying someone half a million pounds a year, I think you would know exactly how that person would act mate, and if they did things against your wishes they wouldn't last long.

Agents do what their clients tell them to.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

The agent is paid to represent the person of who they are representing. If the agent is rogue, then they are sacked. Simple as that.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:49 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Martin O'neil according to Dave usher .

not as bad an option as you obviousley think. Whats the problem with o'neil? he might just get the fkr's playing decent footie.

by **Sabre** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:16 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Martin O'neil according to Dave usher .

I don't dislike him, but his profile seems to be the one of a manager who's asked to compete with little resources.

Competing with little resources is not the profile of Mourinho and that's probably why he won't have the balls to come to Liverpool, more than his affinity to Chelsea.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:33 am

Sabre wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Martin O'neil according to Dave usher .

I don't dislike him, but his profile seems to be the one of a manager who's asked to compete with little resources.

Competing with little resources is not the profile of Mourinho and that's probably why he won't have the balls to come to Liverpool, more than his affinity to Chelsea.

which is why O'neil would be a good option. He'd turn up and be told "we ain't giving you a penny' and he would respond by getting the best out of what we already have got.

anyway, Rafa might not bugger off so it's all irrelavent

by **Fauxy** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:12 am

Martin O'neill ...

I really dont rate him

Maybe its the tracksuits

by **zarababe** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:13 am

Hiddink would be my preference, if Rafa left - and he would come

by **stmichael** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:25 am

Lee J wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Martin O'neil according to Dave usher .

not as bad an option as you obviousley think. Whats the problem with o'neil? he might just get the fkr's playing decent footie.

have you ever watched any of his teams play. they're essentially long ball teams.

the guy also doesn't have a clue tactically.

by **Thewaykokid** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:29 am

Juventus Reach Agreement With Liverpool Coach Rafael Benitez - Report

By Salvatore Landolina
Apr 27, 2010 10:02:00 AM

Juventus are on the verge of landing Liverpool coach Rafael Benitez after the Italian club reached an agreement with him via his agent Manuel Quillon Garcia, accoring to Tuttosport.

Director Roberto Bettega met with the agent in Monte Carlo on Monday night, where the two men spoke about bringing the Spaniard to Turin.

A verbal agreement has now been reached over a three-year deal, and all that remains is to set him free from the contract he is under at Liverpool.

Bianconeri president Jean-Claude Blanc will fly to Merseyside at the end of the week in an attempt to convince Liverpool into yielding their man.

Despite the report, Juventus have said Bettega was in Turin until 16:00CET on Monday, and neither the agent nor the director have confirmed talks had taken place.

Meanwhile, La Stampa reports that a Benitez arrival in Turin could spark off a squad overhaul at Vinovo.

They claim Fernando Torres, Javier Mascherano, Dirk Kuyt and Martin Skrtel would all follow the coach.

However, reports suggest Liverpool would accept no less than €70million for the Spanish striker.

:no

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:31 am

Why the feck would O'Neill leave his promising team with good financial backing ?!?

by **Sabre** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:55 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Why the feck would O'Neill leave his promising team with good financial backing ?!?

Because Liverpool are a bigger club.

In the case of Mourinho he has already managed top clubs, but in this case he hasn't, and that's always important for any football professional.

by **zarababe** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:06 pm

Ripped from RAWK: read and weep people don't knock RAFA - hindsight is in front of us now !

" Right

Rafa has bought around 78 players in 6 seasons - a big amount I agree. But can you name even half of them? Or would it surprise you to learn that over 2/3 of these are STILL at the club. And that 2/3 of these are under the age of 23 and cost less than £5m each? Surprised?

For a club whose youth system was archaic to say the least and faltering under the impression that youth team meant the same as local team then Rafa's actions here were a godsend - its now on par with any in the Premier League with a host of top class youngsters sourced from all over the world rather than Kirkby, Ormskirk or Heswall. And it took him near 4 seasons to finally get full control of it!! Not the actions of a man who doesnt know what hes doing is it?

Oh and as for your other so called 'facts' (haha where did you get these from - the Star?) Aquilani cost £9m, we were still owed money for Crouch from Portsmouth so got Johnson for considerably less than the £20m reported. Torres cost £18 million. Keane was so good a striker that even Del Boy Redknapp saw him surplus to requirements at Spurs and hes now missing open goals and laughing about it at an embarasingly poor poor Celtic side - a side that wouldnt even compete in the Championship in England! Sells Alonso??? Alonso WANTED to go - and very nearly went to Arsenal too - why dont you read and discover these facts for yourself? Rafa bought him for what? £11m when no-one had heard of him, he was a great player for us and then is sold to the biggest club in the world for £25m. Not a sign of a man who doesnt know what hes doing.

Throw in the fact that Rafa had to pick someone to go to raise funds for signings the season before (the reason he was touted to Barcelona and why he fell out with Rafa int he first place) due to the fact the owners promised money never materialised, tne again - not the signs of someone who doesnt know what hes doing. Perhaps if we'd have bought Barry instead of Parry - who you all know had final say on transfers instead of a two time la liga winner (haha you couldnt make it up could you?) - then you can see the reason for my incredulity at some of these statements.

Getting back to parry - you know he bid £3million for Vidic when Rafa (advised by the Spanish players in his squad who played against him in Euro 2008 qualifiers) had personally watched him play around half a dozen times - only to fins out that Parry's bid was below the £4m buy-out clause and the amount Rafa WANTED to bid for him? Then Utd got him for £6m - alerted by our interest?

You did know this didnt you? Or the host of other top players for relatively little money we also wanted to bid for but Parry never sanctioned? Walcott? WIlshire?

You didnt know this?

Oh I am surprised.

Lets try this.

The fact that what money Rafa has been allowed to spend by the owners (contrary to their initial statements) he bought Maxi for £1.5m - the only amount he was allowed to spend from the massive profit he made on Alonso - and has given all the clubs top players extended contracts so as to ensure they stay here for the best part of their careers (or at least will cost a fortune for someone to sign) - all done with the clubs best LONG-TERM interests at heart - Reina, Gerrard, Mascherano, Johnson, Torres, Agger, Skrtel etc etc. Again - are these the actions of someone who doesnt know what they're doing?

Then theres the money spent argument. Again, most of these posts show little knowledge of the true nature of Liverpool's transfer dealings over the past 6 seasons. I'm not surprised at that lack of knowledge however, as most journalists sem to have a vendetta against Rafa that they conveniently ignore the following -

Rafa has spent around £250million in this time. This is true.

However, he has also received around £150 million in the same time period. Meaning he has a NET spend of around £100 million in his 5 and a bit seasons here. Again this might appear to be a lot but is actualy the lower end of the scale for what other top clubs have spent in the same period. Indeed lets look a little closer at that figure eh? In his time here Rafa has ensured qualification for the CL every season (apart from this one of course) of his tenure - something NONE of his predecessors did. Back then we were playing against the likes of Auxerre and Neuchatal Xamax etc and being humiliated by teams a little bit better than them. Now we hand out European beatings to the continents top clubs on a regular basis (apart from this season of course) - Barca, Milan, Inter, Juventus, Chelsea, Arsenal etc etc - we've beaten them all in Europe in the past 5 seasons - we have made two CL finals, a semi and a quarter-final in that time too. Hardly the actions of a man who deosnt know what hes doing.

With CL qualification of course - something RAfa has given us by his tactical awareness and skills in the transfer market - we have made around £20 million a season. NOW - REMEMBER THIS.

That equates to his total NET transfer spend in the same period.

In other words. The owners havent put a SINGLE cent of their own money into transfers other than that which Rafa has earned us.

Surprised? I thought you would be. Its not like the Mirror or the Star would go into such detail is it? THey just lampoon the manager they all love to hate and mention the word Lucas and all you so called football experts go mental.

What the manager needs is FAITH. Not vilification."

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=256383.0

by **red37** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:08 pm

Sabre wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why the feck would O'Neill leave his promising team with good financial backing ?!?

Because Liverpool are a bigger club.

In the case of Mourinho he has already managed top clubs, but in this case he hasn't, and that's always important for any football professional.

In my eye - he has always had a soft spot for LFC.

If this is true that he is a 'possibility' - I couldn't say i would be completely against the idea....he is by far and away not my first choice (should we have any say in the f*cking matter) I too have liked Guus Hiddink from way back. But O'Neill, i think would do well here.

Of course, that all depends on whether or not Rafa, is still in charge. Or who followed him out etc...

We will have to wait and see if these reports have any value to them in the next weeks.

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