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by **parchpea** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:33 pm

Benitez does well in tactical matches and as such the Italian league may suit him better. To succeed in England you need to be cavalier at times, play off he cuff, and take risk to win matches.Rafa simply cannot bring himsef do that. Instead he keeps on with his methodical, tactical style which has its rewards on occasion, but is not enough to win silverware.Ultimately his plans are ripped apart by a random long ball, throw in, or by a team just throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk.Benitez cannot deal with this side of the game and thats his problem. In Italy they all play cat and mouse like he does and he would probably beat them at it.Maybe even draw his way to the title over there but you cant do that here. Juventus? Not sure they have any money either and with average crowds of around 23,000 it would be an odd one :glare:

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:37 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:NeGrAmArOfOrEvEr.

According to some on this site mate . Rafa is a lucky manager , who won the champions league with someone elses team . Has done feck all for Liverpool and has taken us backwards , he's a tool , a muppet , at scouting , can't man manage ,not @rsed about the league , to stubborn in his ways , manipulates the fans , manipulates the media , manipulates the owners , tactically naeve for the premiership , to defensive , doesn't make the right substitutions , ruined alot of players ie crouch ,keane ,babel , alonso, sissoko , bought ,sold class players , hates gerrard , hates torres , hates Aquilani , loves lucas long time . No top team in europe would even consider him as manger as he is that bad , Juve will do better to get Ranieri back mate as he's miles better than Rafa or there's Mourinho , Hiddink ,Guardiola ,wenga ,fergie , alladyce , bruce , Rednapp , Van gaal , rykard , have i mentioned Alladyce . Anyway mate i would steer well clear if i was you , he's just not good enough . Done feck all for LFC , fat spanish tw@t .

Yeah, going by that all that so called logic, we'd be religated 4 years ago and be in administration by now.

Doesn't add up, does it?

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:39 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:NeGrAmArOfOrEvEr.

According to some on this site mate . Rafa is a lucky manager , who won the champions league with someone elses team . Has done feck all for Liverpool and has taken us backwards , he's a tool , a muppet , at scouting , can't man manage ,not @rsed about the league , to stubborn in his ways , manipulates the fans , manipulates the media , manipulates the owners , tactically naeve for the premiership , to defensive , doesn't make the right substitutions , ruined alot of players ie crouch ,keane ,babel , alonso, sissoko , bought ,sold class players , hates gerrard , hates torres , hates Aquilani , loves lucas long time . No top team in europe would even consider him as manger as he is that bad , Juve will do better to get Ranieri back mate as he's miles better than Rafa or there's Mourinho , Hiddink ,Guardiola ,wenga ,fergie , alladyce , bruce , Rednapp , Van gaal , rykard , have i mentioned Alladyce . Anyway mate i would steer well clear if i was you , he's just not good enough . Done feck all for LFC , fat spanish tw@t .

Yeah mate and those are just his good points!

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:40 pm

Emerald Red wrote:Yeah, going by that all that so called logic, we'd be religated 4 years ago and be in administration by now.

Doesn't add up, does it?

Just give him time mate...... give him time

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:41 pm

parchpea wrote:Benitez does well in tactical matches and as such the Italian league may suit him better. To succeed in England you need to be cavalier at times, play off he cuff, and take risk to win matches.Rafa simply cannot bring himsef do that. Instead he keeps on with his methodical, tactical style which has its rewards on occasion, but is not enough to win silverware.Ultimately his plans are ripped apart by a random long ball, throw in, or by a team just throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk.Benitez cannot deal with this side of the game and thats his problem. In Italy they all play cat and mouse like he does and he would probably beat them at it.Maybe even draw his way to the title over there but you cant do that here. Juventus? Not sure they have any money either and with average crowds of around 23,000 it would be an odd one

Juve have reportedly got 70 million Euro to spend, and that excludes player sales. I'll do a Lakes here and say that some sources are reporting that all that is left to complete is Rafa putting his signiture to paper there, but TBH, I think it's bollox.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:43 pm

s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Yeah, going by that all that so called logic, we'd be religated 4 years ago and be in administration by now.

Doesn't add up, does it?

Just give him time mate...... give him time

How much time? :lookaround

by **fivecups** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:45 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
parchpea wrote:Benitez does well in tactical matches and as such the Italian league may suit him better. To succeed in England you need to be cavalier at times, play off he cuff, and take risk to win matches.Rafa simply cannot bring himsef do that. Instead he keeps on with his methodical, tactical style which has its rewards on occasion, but is not enough to win silverware.Ultimately his plans are ripped apart by a random long ball, throw in, or by a team just throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk.Benitez cannot deal with this side of the game and thats his problem. In Italy they all play cat and mouse like he does and he would probably beat them at it.Maybe even draw his way to the title over there but you cant do that here. Juventus? Not sure they have any money either and with average crowds of around 23,000 it would be an odd one

Juve have reportedly got 70 million Euro to spend, and that excludes player sales. I'll do a Lakes here and say that some sources are reporting that all that is left to complete is Rafa putting his signiture to paper there, but TBH, I think it's bollox.

Serious amount of smoke though ER? I think there's definitely something in it.

I mean do you think Rafa's people have met with Juve?

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:49 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Yeah, going by that all that so called logic, we'd be religated 4 years ago and be in administration by now.

Doesn't add up, does it?

Just give him time mate...... give him time

How much time?

We will have to wait till the last of the Houllier players goes before we get relegated, then administration, before the ground gets sold off and rhen we ask Everton can we play at their place.

Maybe another 4 years before we join Accrington Stanley, so at least we wont have to renew his contract

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:50 pm

fivecups wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
parchpea wrote:Benitez does well in tactical matches and as such the Italian league may suit him better. To succeed in England you need to be cavalier at times, play off he cuff, and take risk to win matches.Rafa simply cannot bring himsef do that. Instead he keeps on with his methodical, tactical style which has its rewards on occasion, but is not enough to win silverware.Ultimately his plans are ripped apart by a random long ball, throw in, or by a team just throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk.Benitez cannot deal with this side of the game and thats his problem. In Italy they all play cat and mouse like he does and he would probably beat them at it.Maybe even draw his way to the title over there but you cant do that here. Juventus? Not sure they have any money either and with average crowds of around 23,000 it would be an odd one

Juve have reportedly got 70 million Euro to spend, and that excludes player sales. I'll do a Lakes here and say that some sources are reporting that all that is left to complete is Rafa putting his signiture to paper there, but TBH, I think it's bollox.

Serious amount of smoke though ER? I think there's definitely something in it.

I mean do you think Rafa's people have met with Juve?

I think there has been talks, yes; but whether or not their is real substance to the claims that Rafa is going for sure is another thing. I think it depends on what haappens with the sale of the club tbh. If new owners come in and are just clones of the last two by buying the club via loans, then Rafa will more than likely say "f*ck this" and pack it in.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:53 pm

s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
s@int wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Yeah, going by that all that so called logic, we'd be religated 4 years ago and be in administration by now.

Doesn't add up, does it?

Just give him time mate...... give him time

How much time?

We will have to wait till the last of the Houllier players goes before we get relegated, then administration, before the ground gets sold off and rhen we ask Everton can we play at their place.

Maybe another 4 years before we join Accrington Stanley, so at least we wont have to renew his contract

So basically once Carra and Gerrard split. Are they Houllier players? Hmm, who else? I think that's it, isn't it?

by **bigmick** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:53 pm

Benitez is a decent enough manager IMHO. A good technical/tactical coach, particularly in a defensive sense. His failings are principally that he lacks ambition both before and during matches, and that his man-management skills are neutral at best, a negative influence at worst. In the transfer market he is in the main not too bad, but is better generally at the mid range market than he is at the expensive end. He does have a tendancy to buy players who he doesn't actually want, and although he seems to have cured it recently he seems to have a fixation with reserve goalkeepers. My guess is if he goes to Juve you'll have a couple more of those before too much longer.

All in all, he is OK. When he takes over a team which has reached two Champions League finals in a row he can keep things going, he proved that, and he can drill a bunch of inferior players into a hard to beat unit. Unfortunately for us however (and for you if you take him on) he is below the very top bracket of managers. The very top bracket of managers don't come second four points behind the winners one season then struggle to get into the top seven the next, neither do they regularly get knocked out of domestic cups by lower league opposition. My guess is that you had a better manager than Benitez last season, the one who is making a good go of winning serie A this season. Equally, the bloke who Mourinho took over from is a better manager too, and needless to say so is Mourinho.

All that said mate, as I've said many times 16 million quid is a lot of money and for that reason, Rafa ain't going anywhere.

by **fivecups** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:03 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
fivecups wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
parchpea wrote:Benitez does well in tactical matches and as such the Italian league may suit him better. To succeed in England you need to be cavalier at times, play off he cuff, and take risk to win matches.Rafa simply cannot bring himsef do that. Instead he keeps on with his methodical, tactical style which has its rewards on occasion, but is not enough to win silverware.Ultimately his plans are ripped apart by a random long ball, throw in, or by a team just throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk.Benitez cannot deal with this side of the game and thats his problem. In Italy they all play cat and mouse like he does and he would probably beat them at it.Maybe even draw his way to the title over there but you cant do that here. Juventus? Not sure they have any money either and with average crowds of around 23,000 it would be an odd one

Juve have reportedly got 70 million Euro to spend, and that excludes player sales. I'll do a Lakes here and say that some sources are reporting that all that is left to complete is Rafa putting his signiture to paper there, but TBH, I think it's bollox.

Serious amount of smoke though ER? I think there's definitely something in it.

I mean do you think Rafa's people have met with Juve?

I think there has been talks, yes; but whether or not their is real substance to the claims that Rafa is going for sure is another thing. I think it depends on what haappens with the sale of the club tbh. If new owners come in and are just clones of the last two by buying the club via loans, then Rafa will more than likely say "f*ck this" and pack it in.

Obviously we're just guessing but I suspect that if a compromise can be reached over the £16 million Rafa will go.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:07 pm

fivecups wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
fivecups wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
parchpea wrote:Benitez does well in tactical matches and as such the Italian league may suit him better. To succeed in England you need to be cavalier at times, play off he cuff, and take risk to win matches.Rafa simply cannot bring himsef do that. Instead he keeps on with his methodical, tactical style which has its rewards on occasion, but is not enough to win silverware.Ultimately his plans are ripped apart by a random long ball, throw in, or by a team just throwing caution to the wind and taking a risk.Benitez cannot deal with this side of the game and thats his problem. In Italy they all play cat and mouse like he does and he would probably beat them at it.Maybe even draw his way to the title over there but you cant do that here. Juventus? Not sure they have any money either and with average crowds of around 23,000 it would be an odd one

Juve have reportedly got 70 million Euro to spend, and that excludes player sales. I'll do a Lakes here and say that some sources are reporting that all that is left to complete is Rafa putting his signiture to paper there, but TBH, I think it's bollox.

Serious amount of smoke though ER? I think there's definitely something in it.

I mean do you think Rafa's people have met with Juve?

I think there has been talks, yes; but whether or not their is real substance to the claims that Rafa is going for sure is another thing. I think it depends on what haappens with the sale of the club tbh. If new owners come in and are just clones of the last two by buying the club via loans, then Rafa will more than likely say "f*ck this" and pack it in.

Obviously we're just guessing but I suspect that if a compromise can be reached over the £16 million Rafa will go.

TBH, I really don't think the 16 million is a factor in anything. It's just another piece of spin by the media here to write about, unless Rafa's just a money grabbing con man?

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:18 pm

s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
s@int wrote:Not without his big payoff anyway

mate if he leaves for another job he dont get the pay off...we do, and they are ready to do that.

Benitez move to Juventus held up by £16 million clause

Author: Nigel Brown
Posted on:21 April 2010 - 11:48

Liverpool FC manager Rafa Benitez is on the verge of signing a pre-contract with Juventus according to Italian daily Tuttosport, however a conclusion to the deal is being held up by Benitez’s refusal to resign and relinquish his large severance clause in his Anfield contract, estimated at £16 million.

Rafa Benitez has been linked with a move away from Anfield following a poor campaign this term in which Liverpool FC are unlikely to qualify for the Champions League, with Manchester City and Tottenham Hotpsur the two main contenders for fourth spot.

On top of the poor on-field campaign Liverpool FC have been spiraling into chaos off the pitch, with George Gillet and Tom Hicks putting the club up for sale last week. Reports in Italy suggest that Juventus Chief John Eikann has told Juventus chief’s to wrap up a deal for the Spaniard with the Italian giants positioned seventh in Serie A.

According to reports in Italy Liverpool FC boss Rafa Benitez is refusing to resign and join Juventus as he would have to wave all severance clauses in his contract, missing out on a potential £16 million. The Anfield boss currently has four years remaining on his contract at the Merseyside club.

Benitez is reportedly expecting Juventus to agree tocompensate him with the £16 million future earnings, before he signs a pre-contract with the Serie A club.

hmm i did not think that was going to be a problem, from what i understood Juventus had the money to pay liverpool and the money to pay something to Rafa........it might be the case Rafa might be trying to get the full 16mil out of Juventus, if that the only hold up then i think it will be sorted very fast, even if it only means Rafa has 160mil to spend when he gets there.

we should not forget how all this started and how its moved on, it shows just how cleaver Rafa is, late last year photo were said to be arounf of Rafa team meeting members of Valencia.
we then heard that this never happend, yet Valencia said it did.
i think this was just to smoke Juventus out and to make them pick the phone up to Rafas team.

but then again if none of you even believe what i posts then thius never happend and Rafa is very happy at our lub and never once let his team talk to other football clubs about him going there and all our player love him so much as he cares about the and gives the a kiss as he puts them to bed each night.

what one sound right?

(no the joke was not based on Facts lol)

by **bigmick** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:18 pm

To be totally honest, I don't think Rafa is a money grabbing con man but neither do I blame him for not fecking off and not getting what his contract entitles him to. It's all very well people saying "well if he loved the club" and all that old nonsense, but ask yourself seriously, would you walk away from 16 million quid?

Yes his contract was/is daft, but that's hardly his fault. He chucked his weight around, played the media and the fans and timed his contract negotiations perfectly, and hit the jackpot. It's not even as if him walking away would mean any new manager has an extra 16 million quid to spend, it would simply save Hicks and Gillette 16 million quid, they WOULD NOT bung the money to the new manager and say "here fella, bit of a bonus".

No, I blame Rafa for many things but not walking away from 16 million quid isn't one of them.

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