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by **bigmick** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:02 pm

Penguins wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:if you think he will come in here and take us to the top just like that I'd call you naive at best.

So would I. That said, I'm not sure anyone is saying that in all honesty.

And if we would like to see less of negative tactics Mourinho, or should I say Mr 1-0, is not the way I'd go.

I know you've been reluctant Penguins to go onto the Mourinho thread and do some reading, hence the complete innaccuracy of most of your pronouncements on that particular subject.

It might be an idea though to do some research into Mourinho's Inter Milan tenure. At least that way you'll avoid making foot in the mouth statements like this one. Don't they average over two goals a game in Italy this season, and didn't they beat the European Champions 3-1 tonight? Might be time to let it go mate, failing that talk about the subject in the proper thread.

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:31 pm

Oh, wow. Just cause Inter Milan manage to get 2-3 goals by the likes Siena and Livorno it has relevance on LFC and PL?

Fact is Chelski, which plays in the PL by the way, where he was allowed to spend 200 million in a couple of years, won 1-0 practically most games the won, be it Wigan or Tottenham.

So they beat a Barcelona team which doesn't seem to know how to defend and a team we turned aside a couple of years ago.
One game doesn't tell the tale.

But all those 1-0 games in the PL do tell a tale, and is no coincidence. And he had even infinite amonts of money and still had his team play like ****.
Was it 5 games without a win before he got the sack, vs greats like Rosenborg?

by **bigmick** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:43 pm

Penguins wrote:Oh, wow. Just cause Inter Milan manage to get 2-3 goals by the likes Siena and Livorno it has relevance on LFC and PL?

Fact is Chelski, which plays in the PL by the way, where he was allowed to spend 200 million in a couple of years, won 1-0 practically most games the won, be it Wigan or Tottenham.

So they beat a Barcelona team which doesn't seem to know how to defend and a team we turned aside a couple of years ago.
One game doesn't tell the tale.

But all those 1-0 games in the PL do tell a tale, and is no coincidence. And he had even infinite amonts of money and still had his team play like ****.
Was it 5 games without a win before he got the sack, vs greats like Rosenborg?

I don't know why I bother, and no doubt I'll get accused of derailign the thread, but anyway since you flatly refuse to go into the Mourinho thread and talk about it, here goes.

In Mourinho's first season, Chelsea scored 72 goals in 38 games. They were the second top scorers in the division (behind Arsenal). They conceded 15 goals in 38 games, in his first season in English football, and won the Premiership with a still standing record points total. How you can dispute that this was at the very least an impressive achievement is a constant amazement to me.

In his second season, Chelsea were the joint top scorers in the division with 72 goals once again. They won the title once again with weeks to spare.

In his third season, they were the second top scorers in the division with 64 goals. They finished second in the league behind Man Utd.

In his fourth season he left/was sacked after about six matches.

Why do you insist on talking utter sh!t on this subject when the facts are so easy even for me to find?

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:45 pm

And the 2 years before Mourinho was there the great Mancini managed:

2006/2007 30 3 1 80-34 97 pts
2007/2008 25 10 3 69-26 85 pts

And since then Mourinho has:

2008/2009 25 9 4 70-32 84 pts
2009/2010 20 10 4 65-30 70 pts

So he has done even worse than the great Mancini in the league. They scored more goals with him as manager also.
That means Mancini is a genious then... :no

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:47 pm

bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:Oh, wow. Just cause Inter Milan manage to get 2-3 goals by the likes Siena and Livorno it has relevance on LFC and PL?

Fact is Chelski, which plays in the PL by the way, where he was allowed to spend 200 million in a couple of years, won 1-0 practically most games the won, be it Wigan or Tottenham.

So they beat a Barcelona team which doesn't seem to know how to defend and a team we turned aside a couple of years ago.
One game doesn't tell the tale.

But all those 1-0 games in the PL do tell a tale, and is no coincidence. And he had even infinite amonts of money and still had his team play like ****.
Was it 5 games without a win before he got the sack, vs greats like Rosenborg?

I don't know why I bother, and no doubt I'll get accused of derailign the thread, but anyway since you flatly refuse to go into the Mourinho thread and talk about it, here goes.

In Mourinho's first season, Chelsea scored 72 goals in 38 games. They were the second top scorers in the division (behind Arsenal). They conceded 15 goals in 38 games, in his first season in English football, and won the Premiership with a still standing record points total. How you can dispute that this was at the very least an impressive achievement is a constant amazement to me.

In his second season, Chelsea were the joint top scorers in the division with 72 goals once again. They won the title once again with weeks to spare.

In his third season, they were the second top scorers in the division with 64 goals. They finished second in the league behind Man Utd.

In his fourth season he left/was sacked after about six matches.

Why do you insist on talking utter sh!t on this subject when the facts are so easy even for me to find?

I agree it was very impressive to win the league in his 1st season when he only spent 140 million in his first summer. Poor fellow.

I mean, that is clear evidence he would do so much better than Rafa who has also had the same circumstances... eh no, I guess not....

by **bigmick** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:49 pm

Fecking hell :laugh:

. So there's four games to go but we're still comparing the goals scored against a full season

Talk to the hand mate I don't mean to be rude but you are a numpty. Fire away and have the last word, but I'm done debating with you :laugh:

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BTW FWIW I do think Mancini is an excellent manager. he masterminded a city team which went past us like we were stood still this season which wasn't a bad effort.

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:53 pm

LMAO

Mancini masterminded City?
ARE YOU FOR REAL?

Not getting 4th with that backing is
a mega fiasco and nothing less.

City, the most bankrolled team in the world, and he maybe manages to get 4th. Give the man a medal ffs!!!
You have obvioulsy no clue as you seem to think a couple of hundred million here and there has no relevance of how a manager performs. Talk about ignorance of the highest order!

4 games to go and he will still do poorly compared to Inter under Mancini so the comparision is relevant. Inter will probably get maybe 80 pts and not even win the league.

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:58 pm

Mick, you are one of few who can, if Mourinho wins the league with us after getting bankrolled with a couple of hundred millions,
sit with a straight face and say how much better manager he is compared to Rafa.

Just sheer disbelief at your ignorace is all I can say :no

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:41 am

I don't like Jose. I think he's a git and I would be in two minds if he went to Anfield.

However, one thing you can say about Jose's Inter...they're a damn sight more entertaining to watch than Rafael's Liverpool. I actually enjoyed watching Inter tonight.

I don't think I can say that about a Liverpool perfromance, for the better part of the last few seasons.

by **Penguins** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:17 am

tonyeh wrote:I don't like Jose. I think he's a git and I would be in two minds if he went to Anfield.

However, one thing you can say about Jose's Inter...they're a damn sight more entertaining to watch than Rafael's Liverpool. I actually enjoyed watching Inter tonight.

I don't think I can say that about a Liverpool perfromance, for the better part of the last few seasons.

So Rafa's Liverpool wasn't ever entertaining to watch last season at all?

And Inter is the Italian equivalent to Manure or Chelski.
Have always money and can pick and choose on the market
keeping them in the front seat every season.

Just what suits Mourinho. Always picks a sure winner, never gets himself in a situation where his credentials actually might get tested without being the favourite pick to win or have a bottomless pit of gold.

by **Teshie** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:40 am

bigmick wrote:BTW FWIW I do think Mancini is an excellent manager. he masterminded a city team which went past us like we were stood still this season which wasn't a bad effort.

mancini master minded ? pretty sure u gotta be a retard with the IQ of a potato not to break into top 4 with city's money and current squad

*case in point mark hughes .. retard*

by **maguskwt** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:09 am

Just a question that's on my mind, do you guys think that if rafa was in charge at city with thier current team would they be doing better than now? Personally I feel that they have a better squad than us, they have alot of good players and all the positions are covered whereas we have a few great players but the rest are average. So I do think rafa can do better than Mancini over at city.

(I know what the anti's gonna say... That absolutely not. That we have a good enough squad to win the title and that it's rafa's fault that he couldn't get the best out of the current squad. Which is absolutely rubbish of course. Otherwise why would both our team captain and our best striker say that we need to buy 3-4 good players to be challenging. Didn't our captain also say that it's very difficult to catch up considering man u's squad and that we need strengthening. At times like these gerrard's great admirer big Mick and the rest of the anti squad would have no comments

)

by **tonyeh** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:18 am

Penguins wrote:
tonyeh wrote:I don't like Jose. I think he's a git and I would be in two minds if he went to Anfield.

However, one thing you can say about Jose's Inter...they're a damn sight more entertaining to watch than Rafael's Liverpool. I actually enjoyed watching Inter tonight.

I don't think I can say that about a Liverpool perfromance, for the better part of the last few seasons.

So Rafa's Liverpool wasn't ever entertaining to watch last season at all?

I didn't say that. You need to learn to read the posts lad. :;):

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:23 am

Juventus give Liverpool boss Benitez more time to decide on future

Juventus are ready to give Rafa Benitez until the end of the season to finalise his move to Italy after a personal intervention from the new president of FIAT.

The Serie A giants had wanted a definite answer from the Liverpool manager by the end of this week.

But John Elkann, who took over the running of Juventus’ parent company yesterday, now believes a deal is so close they are ready to give the Spaniard more time.

Elkann, the New York-born heir to the Agnelli fortune, is not directly involved in the day-to-day running of his family’s club.

But the 34-year-old has instructed Carlo Sant’Albano, his director on the Juventus board, to conclude the signing of Benitez to relaunch his ailing club.

Sant’Albano and Juventus president Jean Claude Blanc are continuing talks with Benitez’s agent Manuel Garcia Quilon after their meeting in Milan last week.

The Italian club have offered the Spaniard a four-year deal and £175m to invest in the transfer market with the promised signings of Javier Mascherano and Edin Dzeko.

Benitez has asked to bring eight of his staff from Anfield to Turin and overhaul the management structure of the club.

While talks first began in January, the biggest obstacle to the deal remains Benitez’s reluctance to resign from Liverpool without a payoff from his contract. Juventus are so far unwilling to buy out his deal and all his staff.

The lack of Champions League football will also be a deterrent with the Bianconeri currently lying seventh in Serie A, six points behind fourth-placed Sampdoria with just four games remaining this season.

Elkann, who was raised in the UK, Brazil, France and Italy, was left with control of the family’s business assets when his grandfather Giovanni Agnelli died in 2003

by **lakes10** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:24 am

£175m to spend on players.....Rafas gone lol

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