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by **Sir Roger** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:33 am

Now that people believe we have no chance of coming fourth you just watch how we tw@t the next three teams.
Then "if only..."

by **lakes10** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:36 am

Sir Roger wrote:Now that people believe we have no chance of coming fourth you just watch how we tw@t the next three teams.
Then "if only..."

pmsl.

i think most of us had the last 4 games down a wins anyway.

yet again its not been the points that we lost to the big teams that has cost us but the points to the smaller teams.

sounds like all the other years.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:12 am

lakes10 wrote:there might and i say might be news coming out today that Mourinho's men are in talks with Man City.

It seems that his team are working hard for him on a new job, Liverpool was not talked about in the report.

I did not get this from any friends but read it on a media forum.

Citeh are probably only after Mourinho because he is part of the Aristocracy. I only found that out yesterday when I heard Rafa say that Mourinho is a Portugese Count (I think thats what he said anyway)

by **supersub** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:38 pm

lakes10 wrote:there might and i say might be news coming out today that Mourinho's men are in talks with Man City.

It seems that his team are working hard for him on a new job, Liverpool was not talked about in the report.

must be something to do with the amount of cash that will be available to spend.....

by **Owzat** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:07 pm

s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:there might and i say might be news coming out today that Mourinho's men are in talks with Man City.

It seems that his team are working hard for him on a new job, Liverpool was not talked about in the report.

I did not get this from any friends but read it on a media forum.

Citeh are probably only after Mourinho because he is part of the Aristocracy. I only found that out yesterday when I heard Rafa say that Mourinho is a Portugese Count (I think thats what he said anyway)

He's a count of the highest order to be sure, to be sure.

Will he ever be tested as a manager? I mean he goes from one of the biggest clubs in Portugal to the then richest club in England and then off to the current biggest club in Italy before being linked with a move to the now richest club in England. I'd like to see him tested at a club not in the top three or four of a league and without pots of cash, and see what he does - but perhaps not us

by **Sir Roger** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:20 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:Now that people believe we have no chance of coming fourth you just watch how we tw@t the next three teams.
Then "if only..."

pmsl.

i think most of us had the last 4 games down a wins anyway.

yet again its not been the points that we lost to the big teams that has cost us but the points to the smaller teams.

sounds like all the other years.

Ive said it before on another thread. There is a pattern that has been built since Rafa has been here. He is consistent and true to his beliefs and therefore each season pans out quite similar with regards to the Prem.
Still no title and gone from second to possibly sixth at the end of the season.
Whatever it takes to win the Prem I think we can safely say he hasnt got it. Hes had time and money but cant take that extra step needed for whatever reason

by **only me** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:16 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

Bye Bye

See, this is what makes me laugh at times. How the f*ck can anyone on an internet forum say that the man is lousy at money management, a lousy scout? Scout? It's not his f*cking job to scout. That's why you have people called "scouts" you know that do that particular job. A lousy players coach? Ask Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Torres about that? That's right, you can't. Down at Melwood every day, are you? Speak to the players during training? No. Wrong ideology when it comes to football? Right, Special One! I take it you've managed a football club and won bigger honours, then?

I don't mind it when someone actually comes out and puts forward a knowledgable argument for their opinions, but it's absolute tripe like this that just does my head in.

See you are obssesed with me as i am with Rafa - guess we should both seek treatment....

Again you have no clue nor opinion when writing your posts..

Lousy money manager - paying 20++ for Keane , 20++ for injured Aqua not enough for you?

Lousy scout? well i assume he does go over the tapes and decideds who would come to Anfield doesn't he? Dossena ,Lucas ,Babel ,Keane ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa ,Skertel...all players with no impact no signture on the game...

Players manager...well havn't been to the dressing room (neither did you) but got some clues from Riera,Babel..others nor does Rafa character and behaviour prooves you the other way..

So i need to to coach a football club to know that i like attacking ,risk taking ,happy free football?? really guess all of us should shut up and bow down..

Talk to the point not to the person.

I see you're in here still gurning.

Here's the difference: I don't write posts 'pretending' that I know what I'm talking about regarding Rafa's man management, money handling, tactics etc etc. I am not a qualified football manager and nor would I, or YOU, have any clue about going about managing us either. To spout the absolute w@nk you just wrote is as presumptous as it is idiotic. It just makes you look like a complete tool. Which you are.

So why do you even bother posting here? The whole purpose of this board is to write opinions and ideas it's not as all of us are licensed football managers...You completely missed the plot on this one.

You are however a rude individual to say the least but hey it's a free forum, take care.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:38 pm

only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

Bye Bye

See, this is what makes me laugh at times. How the f*ck can anyone on an internet forum say that the man is lousy at money management, a lousy scout? Scout? It's not his f*cking job to scout. That's why you have people called "scouts" you know that do that particular job. A lousy players coach? Ask Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Torres about that? That's right, you can't. Down at Melwood every day, are you? Speak to the players during training? No. Wrong ideology when it comes to football? Right, Special One! I take it you've managed a football club and won bigger honours, then?

I don't mind it when someone actually comes out and puts forward a knowledgable argument for their opinions, but it's absolute tripe like this that just does my head in.

See you are obssesed with me as i am with Rafa - guess we should both seek treatment....

Again you have no clue nor opinion when writing your posts..

Lousy money manager - paying 20++ for Keane , 20++ for injured Aqua not enough for you?

Lousy scout? well i assume he does go over the tapes and decideds who would come to Anfield doesn't he? Dossena ,Lucas ,Babel ,Keane ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa ,Skertel...all players with no impact no signture on the game...

Players manager...well havn't been to the dressing room (neither did you) but got some clues from Riera,Babel..others nor does Rafa character and behaviour prooves you the other way..

So i need to to coach a football club to know that i like attacking ,risk taking ,happy free football?? really guess all of us should shut up and bow down..

Talk to the point not to the person.

I see you're in here still gurning.

Here's the difference: I don't write posts 'pretending' that I know what I'm talking about regarding Rafa's man management, money handling, tactics etc etc. I am not a qualified football manager and nor would I, or YOU, have any clue about going about managing us either. To spout the absolute w@nk you just wrote is as presumptous as it is idiotic. It just makes you look like a complete tool. Which you are.

So why do you even bother posting here? The whole purpose of this board is to write opinions and ideas it's not as all of us are licensed football managers...You completely missed the plot on this one.

You are however a rude individual to say the least but hey it's a free forum, take care.

In general, such is life, if you ask a person a stupid question you're more often than not going to have it met by a stupid answer and deservedly so. If you write something that is offensive to me as a supporter of this football club, then you're going to be met with harsh rertort deserving of such antogonism. Write up your opinion all you want, but when it's inflammatory and downright antagonistic, don't find yourself so shocked when someone replies to it so "rudely" especially if you put forward such bile as if it were a matter of fact, which it is not. It's your opinion, albeit a very daft one based on little to no fact whatsoever.

by **only me** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:19 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

Bye Bye

See, this is what makes me laugh at times. How the f*ck can anyone on an internet forum say that the man is lousy at money management, a lousy scout? Scout? It's not his f*cking job to scout. That's why you have people called "scouts" you know that do that particular job. A lousy players coach? Ask Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Torres about that? That's right, you can't. Down at Melwood every day, are you? Speak to the players during training? No. Wrong ideology when it comes to football? Right, Special One! I take it you've managed a football club and won bigger honours, then?

I don't mind it when someone actually comes out and puts forward a knowledgable argument for their opinions, but it's absolute tripe like this that just does my head in.

See you are obssesed with me as i am with Rafa - guess we should both seek treatment....

Again you have no clue nor opinion when writing your posts..

Lousy money manager - paying 20++ for Keane , 20++ for injured Aqua not enough for you?

Lousy scout? well i assume he does go over the tapes and decideds who would come to Anfield doesn't he? Dossena ,Lucas ,Babel ,Keane ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa ,Skertel...all players with no impact no signture on the game...

Players manager...well havn't been to the dressing room (neither did you) but got some clues from Riera,Babel..others nor does Rafa character and behaviour prooves you the other way..

So i need to to coach a football club to know that i like attacking ,risk taking ,happy free football?? really guess all of us should shut up and bow down..

Talk to the point not to the person.

I see you're in here still gurning.

Here's the difference: I don't write posts 'pretending' that I know what I'm talking about regarding Rafa's man management, money handling, tactics etc etc. I am not a qualified football manager and nor would I, or YOU, have any clue about going about managing us either. To spout the absolute w@nk you just wrote is as presumptous as it is idiotic. It just makes you look like a complete tool. Which you are.

So why do you even bother posting here? The whole purpose of this board is to write opinions and ideas it's not as all of us are licensed football managers...You completely missed the plot on this one.

You are however a rude individual to say the least but hey it's a free forum, take care.

In general, such is life, if you ask a person a stupid question you're more often than not going to have it met by a stupid answer and deservedly so. If you write something that is offensive to me as a supporter of this football club, then you're going to be met with harsh rertort deserving of such antogonism. Write up your opinion all you want, but when it's inflammatory and downright antagonistic, don't find yourself so shocked when someone replies to it so "rudely" especially if you put forward such bile as if it were a matter of fact, which it is not. It's your opinion, albeit a very daft one based on little to no fact whatsoever.

"especially if you put forward such bile as if it were a matter of fact"

Try again - this time address the issue and not the person ,an no calling me a crying Kunt is at best moronic (at least i don't have to live with you)

Did or didn't Rafa sign an injured player for 20 million? Keane for 20+? Babel for 9 mil?

Riera said he was not alone in having communication problems with Benítez. "He thinks he is in charge and he just turns a deaf ear to everyone else," he told Radio Marca in Spain. "The dialogue with the players is practically non-existent. There is a lack of tact." - Was Riera in the dressing room ?

Pennant said. "Liverpool have had some great strikers come and go – Robbie Keane is scoring goals at Tottenham, Peter Crouch is scoring now. It didn't happen at Liverpool: it must be about how the manager relates to players, how the tactics are and how he restricts players - Was he in the Dressing room?

Scouting skills - again do you think Dossena ,Babel ,skertel ,Lucas ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa and on and on are a proof for good scouting?

Football ideology? is there a question Rafa likes to be in total command on the game and on the players? is it doubfull he is conservative in his approach to games and will always prefer defensive lineups? because if it is then we are seeing a total different football game...

Do your best to answer or just not..Take Care

by **lakes10** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:32 pm

s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:there might and i say might be news coming out today that Mourinho's men are in talks with Man City.

It seems that his team are working hard for him on a new job, Liverpool was not talked about in the report.

I did not get this from any friends but read it on a media forum.

Citeh are probably only after Mourinho because he is part of the Aristocracy. I only found that out yesterday when I heard Rafa say that Mourinho is a Portugese Count (I think thats what he said anyway)

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:44 pm

Owzat wrote:
s@int wrote:
lakes10 wrote:there might and i say might be news coming out today that Mourinho's men are in talks with Man City.

It seems that his team are working hard for him on a new job, Liverpool was not talked about in the report.

I did not get this from any friends but read it on a media forum.

Citeh are probably only after Mourinho because he is part of the Aristocracy. I only found that out yesterday when I heard Rafa say that Mourinho is a Portugese Count (I think thats what he said anyway)

He's a count of the highest order to be sure, to be sure.

Will he ever be tested as a manager? I mean he goes from one of the biggest clubs in Portugal to the then richest club in England and then off to the current biggest club in Italy before being linked with a move to the now richest club in England. I'd like to see him tested at a club not in the top three or four of a league and without pots of cash, and see what he does - but perhaps not us

Exactly my point.

If he does it then I'll be the first to tip my hat off for the man
and admit my reservations was misplaced.
Until then my viewpoint will be cemented and if you think he will come in here and take us to the top just like that I'd call you naive at best.

by **bigmick** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:45 pm

Penguins wrote:if you think he will come in here and take us to the top just like that I'd call you naive at best.

So would I. That said, I'm not sure anyone is saying that in all honesty.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:46 pm

only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
only me wrote:The question is not what we need next season but rather if Rafa can deliver it? my opinion that he can't - he is a lousy money manager ,lousy scout ,lousy players coach and has the wrong ideology when it comes to football.

Rafa is an excellent engineer he would be great in the computer and design world - unfortunently players aren't Robots and the game has a flow of it's own ,feelings and passion which Rafa is not programmed to cope with.

Bye Bye

See, this is what makes me laugh at times. How the f*ck can anyone on an internet forum say that the man is lousy at money management, a lousy scout? Scout? It's not his f*cking job to scout. That's why you have people called "scouts" you know that do that particular job. A lousy players coach? Ask Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Torres about that? That's right, you can't. Down at Melwood every day, are you? Speak to the players during training? No. Wrong ideology when it comes to football? Right, Special One! I take it you've managed a football club and won bigger honours, then?

I don't mind it when someone actually comes out and puts forward a knowledgable argument for their opinions, but it's absolute tripe like this that just does my head in.

See you are obssesed with me as i am with Rafa - guess we should both seek treatment....

Again you have no clue nor opinion when writing your posts..

Lousy money manager - paying 20++ for Keane , 20++ for injured Aqua not enough for you?

Lousy scout? well i assume he does go over the tapes and decideds who would come to Anfield doesn't he? Dossena ,Lucas ,Babel ,Keane ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa ,Skertel...all players with no impact no signture on the game...

Players manager...well havn't been to the dressing room (neither did you) but got some clues from Riera,Babel..others nor does Rafa character and behaviour prooves you the other way..

So i need to to coach a football club to know that i like attacking ,risk taking ,happy free football?? really guess all of us should shut up and bow down..

Talk to the point not to the person.

I see you're in here still gurning.

Here's the difference: I don't write posts 'pretending' that I know what I'm talking about regarding Rafa's man management, money handling, tactics etc etc. I am not a qualified football manager and nor would I, or YOU, have any clue about going about managing us either. To spout the absolute w@nk you just wrote is as presumptous as it is idiotic. It just makes you look like a complete tool. Which you are.

So why do you even bother posting here? The whole purpose of this board is to write opinions and ideas it's not as all of us are licensed football managers...You completely missed the plot on this one.

You are however a rude individual to say the least but hey it's a free forum, take care.

In general, such is life, if you ask a person a stupid question you're more often than not going to have it met by a stupid answer and deservedly so. If you write something that is offensive to me as a supporter of this football club, then you're going to be met with harsh rertort deserving of such antogonism. Write up your opinion all you want, but when it's inflammatory and downright antagonistic, don't find yourself so shocked when someone replies to it so "rudely" especially if you put forward such bile as if it were a matter of fact, which it is not. It's your opinion, albeit a very daft one based on little to no fact whatsoever.

"especially if you put forward such bile as if it were a matter of fact"

Try again - this time address the issue and not the person ,an no calling me a crying Kunt is at best moronic (at least i don't have to live with you)

Did or didn't Rafa sign an injured player for 20 million? Keane for 20+? Babel for 9 mil?

Riera said he was not alone in having communication problems with Benítez. "He thinks he is in charge and he just turns a deaf ear to everyone else," he told Radio Marca in Spain. "The dialogue with the players is practically non-existent. There is a lack of tact." - Was Riera in the dressing room ?

Pennant said. "Liverpool have had some great strikers come and go – Robbie Keane is scoring goals at Tottenham, Peter Crouch is scoring now. It didn't happen at Liverpool: it must be about how the manager relates to players, how the tactics are and how he restricts players - Was he in the Dressing room?

Scouting skills - again do you think Dossena ,Babel ,skertel ,Lucas ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa and on and on are a proof for good scouting?

Football ideology? is there a question Rafa likes to be in total command on the game and on the players? is it doubfull he is conservative in his approach to games and will always prefer defensive lineups? because if it is then we are seeing a total different football game...

Do your best to answer or just not..Take Care

I'll answer your question about this so called defensive ideaology that Rafa has regarding his style of football. Not only will I answer it, but I'll blow it out of the water by putting forward a FACT in saying that how can a team be so defensive, yet be the top scorers in all competitions for two seasons running? Do you remember Rafa's Valencia that played us under Houllier (now he was a defensive manager) that taught us a footballing lesson a few years back? I know I do and how I envied them for doing so.

Interesting how people with your style of argument about the manager always bring up quotations of former players that were shipped out due to them being either absolute sh*te or not taking the chance that came their way. Pennant is an absolute gobsh*te of a person, and not a single word that comes out of that mans mouth regarding us as a football club should be taken seriously. It's as if Pennant is some kind of Liverpool legend, like.

by **Penguins** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:53 pm

bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:if you think he will come in here and take us to the top just like that I'd call you naive at best.

So would I. That said, I'm not sure anyone is saying that in all honesty.

And if we would like to see less of negative tactics Mourinho, or should I say Mr 1-0, is not the way I'd go.

by **dawson99** » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:24 pm

Penguins wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:if you think he will come in here and take us to the top just like that I'd call you naive at best.

So would I. That said, I'm not sure anyone is saying that in all honesty.

And if we would like to see less of negative tactics Mourinho, or should I say Mr 1-0, is not the way I'd go.

Mr 1-0, well thats already come back to bite you on the a$$ eh

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