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by **Emerald Red** » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:51 pm

NANNY RED wrote:So what you basicaly getting at Mick is that all of us soft a.rses who go the match an who support the manager while he is in charge are on the unnofical payroll of the yanks , HA HA HA

It's a conspiracy apparently. Someone's lost the plans.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:36 am

Emerald Red wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:So what you basicaly getting at Mick is that all of us soft a.rses who go the match an who support the manager while he is in charge are on the unnofical payroll of the yanks , HA HA HA

It's a conspiracy apparently. Someone's lost the plans.

When im at the game at the weekend im gonna check how much NI an tax there paying for me , If theres a shortfall i might just have to give the yanks a months notice, Better tell every other lad an girl on the kop an all to check there payslips , just incase the wool is being pulled over there eyes and all, seeing as all us match goers are a bit clueless regarding our support :laugh:

by **shawnk** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:59 am

lakes10 wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Is Torres allowed to say stuff and Riera isnt?

he must be able to mate. he come out and said

"The manager must have been able to see something i could not feel"

got to love him for that one, did not think it was true untill i heard the clip on talkshit lol

or he's planning to leave Liverpool already. Cant blame him really if that's the case, it's all about football at the end of the day for a world class player like him.

by **The_Rock** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:24 am

Finally he admits he made mistakes.........6 freckin years to realise it........jesus...

So Aqua man is a mistake after all..... ?

Benitez admits Liverpool mistakes

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has admitted making "regrettable mistakes" during his six-year tenure at Anfield.

The Spaniard has come under pressure this season as the Reds struggle to finish in the Premier League's top four and secure a Champions League place.

When asked if he had made mistakes, without specifying, he replied: "Every manager makes mistakes," before adding he had "sometimes" made "big mistakes".

"The manager plays every game," he reflected.

"You lose, you win or you draw every game and some players play, some don't, but the manager is always there."

The former Valencia boss was most recently criticised for his decision to substitute Fernando Torres in the 1-1 draw with Birmingham last Saturday.

The draw left Liverpool four points behind fourth-place Manchester City having played one game more than both Roberto Mancini's men and Tottenham, who are three points clear in fifth place.

Meanwhile this season, the Reds failed to reach the Champions League's lucrative group stages for the first time in Benitez's reign and suffered a shock 2-1 FA Cup third-round replay defeat to Reading at Anfield.

The sale of midfielder Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid for £30m has also been widely criticised as Liverpool's difficult campaign has unfolded, with his £20m replacement Alberto Aquilani struggling for fitness all season to the frustration of Benitez.

Spain defender Alvaro Arbeloa also moved to the Bernabeu, while the experienced Sami Hyypia was allowed to join German side Bayer Leverkusen.

"If you can manage as a club with the mistakes you are ok," said Benitez, before admitting: "We signed one player that has had a problem for the whole season and we cannot manage."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go....003.stm

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:06 am

No surprise, I agree with Mick that since Rafa had is paddy at the owners before the Newcastle game, he is now become the perfect choice of manager for our two owners. Now he talks about balancing the books and improving things for potential investors, asks the fans not to protest as it might distract the players, and says NOTHING when Purslow tells fans that we received the same transfer funds as usual.

Spot on Mick

by **Big Niall** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:26 am

Maybe the fool should have done a google check on Acquilani's fitness before he bought him. You don't buy a crocked player for 20m.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:28 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Big Niall wrote:That spoofer is calling for more money. He spent 18m on a full back and 20m on a midfielder that contributed nothing. He wastes so much money and then comes back for more.

He says our squad is poor but he has spent 6 years building it and spending hundreds of millions of pounds to do so.

SACK HIM

Why has the money been wasted when they are both in the squad .

We have limited funds and he spent about 38m on a full back (who can't defend) and a crock.

We could have bought a world class player for that much money - we only have 2 and 1 was there before Benitez ever came here.

by **tubby** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:34 am

Big Niall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Big Niall wrote:That spoofer is calling for more money. He spent 18m on a full back and 20m on a midfielder that contributed nothing. He wastes so much money and then comes back for more.

He says our squad is poor but he has spent 6 years building it and spending hundreds of millions of pounds to do so.

SACK HIM

Why has the money been wasted when they are both in the squad .

We have limited funds and he spent about 38m on a full back (who can't defend) and a crock.

We could have bought a world class player for that much money - we only have 2 and 1 was there before Benitez ever came here.

Who could we have bought instead of Johnson?

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:41 am

It's a shame that people only focus on the last line of the post, I knew I should have put a smiley by that bit. I don't LITERALLY mean that twit and tw@t have people on the terraces starting chants, only that when the chant starts up I reckon they'll be feeling pretty happy about it.

I stand by the original point though and am unsurprised that it's very much a minority view. Who would the owners prefer to have in charge, a Rafa who is trying to make the likes of Aquilani, Kuyt, Lucas and Babel fit into the team, or a new bloke who comes in and says he needs half a dozen new players ASAP and says he doesn't need such and such? Would they prefer to keep Rafa or would they rather spend 16 million quid paying him off?

They are in a win-win situation really as far as the manager is concerned. They can stick with him for the forseeable, and on the off-chance that he does actually turn things around they can claim credit for doing things the Liverpool way, backing the manager when all around them were calling for his head, being very astute etc (course they save themselves 16 million quid for his contract AND the costs of having to rebuild the squad as well). If he does royally feck it up to the extent where ALL the fans demand his head (I can't imagine how bad that would have to be, I seriously think some would back him through relegation), they can pull the trigger and claim to have heeded the wishes of the fans. Obviously by then, if they can wait it out another year or two they'll save themselves 8 million quid or so on having to pay his contract out as well. The original win-win. All the while of course anybody who is sniffing around to buy, will look at the situation and consider how different it might be if such and such were the manager, so making the club more attractive.

Equally, although Rafa has a little grumble about finances sometimes (as he has in the press today), it is very much a case of getting his excuses in early nine times out of ten. Equally, he is very careful these days not to ever criticise the owners, his ire being directed towards the "new investment" which he and everybody else (including the owners) says we need.

No, I am convinced that he will still be at the club next season the more I think about it, regardless of the Copa Cup (and the decision shouldn't be based on that anyway in my view). He fits what the owners are looking for, he does as he's told, keeps the fans quiet about them, and he is obligated to try and make some of the more expensive signings work. Who would they rather have (the owners), Rafa or Mourinho? Now that is a no-brainer, and it's got nothing to do with what coat one of them wears either :;):

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by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:48 am

I actually like Johnson and think he is and will be a good signing, but we really must stop with this "but who else is there" nonsense. Johnson isn't the only decent right-back in World football I shouldn't think, any more than Rafa is the only manager on Planet Earth who could manage Liverpool to trophyless three years for a four million quid salary.

We could quite easily have taken Johnson AND Nico Krakjaar I should think since Pompey owed us a few quid, and forgotten about signing Aquilani altogether. Sol Campbell was kicking around on a free, we could have taken him and forgot about the Greek (who in fairness hasn't done bad for the money). With the change we could have bought Darren Bent ("but he wouldn't have come here") and that way we'd have had credible cover for N'Gog. Could've should've would've but didn't.

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:57 am

Some bad bitter people in this forum . Why insult the man ? Surley people are capable of critisizing him without getting personal and re-writting history to suit there own murkey agenda. Damned if he does ,damned if he doesn't . Seriously this thread is getting a big feck off bump from me this time next year. Bad bad meffs on here sometimes.

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:02 am

Not biting i'm afraid , tw@t of a thread .Re-writting history again i see . Sound . The more times you tell a lie it soon becomes the truth . LIKE SOS BEING ANTI OOT or a scouse only cleeeeekk hey mick . BOLLOX .

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:05 am

Agree there's no need for language such as "fool", Rafa certainly isn't one of those. I actually think he's a decent manager who did a decent to good job in his first couple of seasons (could have been a great job had we not snookered ourselves with uber rotation for the first three years), but his time has passed unfortunately.

Winning the Champions League with Djimi Traore and gor Biscan playing a role rates right up there as an excellent achievement though, albeit aided and abetted as were by the hand of fate and fortune. I can't help thinking that the bitterness we are seeing form some fans now is magnified by some having taken plenty of abuse over the years, and possibly by an astonishing refusal on the part of many to accept what is on occasions glaringly obvious.

There has been an increase in the "fat", "fool" even "w@nker" and the like over the last few weeks, and there's no place for all that nonsense.

by **lakes10** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:09 am

the bottom line is mane that the owners only care about the money, if they canmake money without us winning anything then they donrt care, if we dont make money and have not won anything then they will make the change,

right now its more like Rafa walking ftom the club than him getting sacked.

its down to who acts first, Rafa walking to the owners sacking him, if we get a big tv final and make a bit of money for the owners then they might change there mind for a bit...untill they look at what Rafa might ask for the next year.

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:14 am

No lies about SOS Igor, I only gave my impression of the way things are. I can't lie about it's make up as I don't know it, how could I? I think if you think back you'll recall that you asked me a couple of direct questions about the organisation, and rather than duck it I gave my honest view.You can tell me my view is wrong of course, but I didn't give it out as a FACT and so therefore I am not a liar.

The "bollox thread" is a result of some thinking I was doing the other day, when the truth (as I see it) dawned on me. It's not Rafa's fault that it is the case that he's the ideal manager for these two, but IMHO it remains the case anyway.

"bollox" maybe, but not a lie, just an opinion. haven't even written any history either, never mind re-written it.I accept my theory is a bit out there, and isn't ripped form some press hack, but that doesn't necessarily disqualify it. Who else would be more ideal as a manager for these two than Rafa? Is there anybody in World football who could do a job good enough in any sense whatsover that would make them likely to spend 16 million quid paying Rafa off unless their hands were forced? I don't think there is. They like things just the way they are. Just my opinion though.

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