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Postby bigmick » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:39 am

lakes10 wrote:the bottom line is mane that the owners only care about the money, if they canmake money without us winning anything then they donrt care, if we dont make money and have not won anything then they will make the change,

right now its more like Rafa walking ftom the club than him getting sacked.

its down to who acts first, Rafa walking to the owners sacking him, if we get a big tv final and make a bit of money for the owners then they might change there mind for a bit...untill they look at what Rafa might ask for the next year.

See I think in this current climate Lakes, they aren't going to "make" any money, and I think they are well aware of the fact. The best they can hope for right now is to stay afloat, not have the banks nick it back off of them and hold out until the world economy picks up (all only my opinion of course).

Until Liverpool FC gets a new stadium (which they can't afford), competing financially with Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City is a pipedream, as is "making money". In reality, even WINNING the Premiership might be a dream too, certainly on anything like a consistent basis.

I think the owners aren't idiots, and realise this. Given that fact, their best bet as I say is to hold on, not lob any more money than they absolutely have to into what is effectively a bottomless pit, and hope against hope that somebody far richer and far less concerned about balancing the books comes along and takes the thing off their hands, hopefully for a tidy profit.

Given all of that, they aren't too concerned about a genuine title challenge. They aren't too concerned about Carling Cups, FA Cups and the like, just so long as we are in Europe (preferably the Champions League obviously) and punching our wieght, which we are and no doubt will continue to do under Rafa. As I've said a couple of times, things as they are suit them just fine.

If you were to ask them if they think spending 16 million quid paying Rafa off, getting a new manager in who would want his own players and backroom staff with the added expense of all that was a good idea, what do you think they'd say? I think they'd say "feck right off". There's absolutely no guarantee that a new manager would make the club worth any more in pound notes than it currently is (its even concieveable that he could make it worth less), and Rafa has been tamed as far as his interviews are concerned. Why change, spend a shedload of cash and risk the wrath of the vocal matchgoer?

Doesn't matter wich way you look at it, Rafa suits them down to the ground.
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Postby kazza » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:40 am

bigmick wrote:Who else would be more ideal as a manager for these two than Rafa?

Alex Mcliesh as he would accept mediocrity. Also try Fat Sam, Hodgeson, Rednapp, Mark Hughes, Martin O'Niel, and I'm sure many others that I cannot be bothered to list.

Thread is cr@p, another needless dig at the manager when we should be supporting the team before Benfica. No surprise however.
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Postby bigmick » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:44 am

Another thing Lakes. As you and I know, how many managers would you give a bigger chance of overturning tonights 2-1 deficit that Rafa? For all his foibles, I am very confident we'll win tonight. We might well win the thing, and Purslow said earlier in the season the TV rights and the rest meant winning this was equivalent to the last 8 in the CL or something. PARTICULRLY now everyone else is out of the Champions League as well. Wemight just end up making more money out of Europe this year than anybody else.

That's the key for these two, money not glory.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:02 am

We dont need another Rafa abusing topic theres fuckin plenty of them knocking around already  :glare:
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Postby tonyeh » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:15 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:More Bollocks talk.

Finally you admit to everyone the crux of your posts . Well done I know it must of been hard to take that first step of admitance

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Postby tonyeh » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:26 am

bavlondon wrote:
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Big Niall wrote:That spoofer is calling for more money. He spent 18m on a full back and 20m on a midfielder that contributed nothing. He wastes so much money and then comes back for more.

He says our squad is poor but he has spent 6 years building it and spending hundreds of millions of pounds to do so.

SACK HIM :angry:

Why has the money been wasted when they are both in the squad .

We have limited funds and he spent about 38m on a full back (who can't defend) and a crock.

We could have bought a world class player for that much money - we only have 2 and 1 was there before Benitez ever came here.

Who could we have bought instead of Johnson?

If Benitez wasn't such a dick to people we'd still have Arbeloa (and Xabi for that matter).

Liverpool wouldn't need to have splashed out on replacing players that Benitez had alienated.

...and he wouldn't be whinging about money to "strengthen" a squad (he weakened) today.

Mistakes Benitez?

You said it.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:00 pm

So Rafa accepts he's screwed up AGAIN with a big money transfer. Last season it was Keane, this year its Aquilani. For this alone i think he HAS to go. We have limited cash and our manager is wasting it as if we were Chelsea.

On a side note, i still think Johnson is a good player and yes we overpaid, but he's good none the less. The same can't be said for Insua, who has been shown this season to be woefully lacking.
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Postby Greavesie » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:04 pm

for the record from what I've read and understand Arbeloa was off because he wanted to go back to Spain, just like Masch was linked away. As far as I'm aware Rafa was not at fault for Arby's departure though he could have got more money from him had he not waited for his contract to run down.

For the little amount of b!tching that went on when he did go I find it hard to believe Rafa's being slated for it now
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Postby tubby » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:08 pm

tonyeh wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Big Niall wrote:That spoofer is calling for more money. He spent 18m on a full back and 20m on a midfielder that contributed nothing. He wastes so much money and then comes back for more.

He says our squad is poor but he has spent 6 years building it and spending hundreds of millions of pounds to do so.

SACK HIM :angry:

Why has the money been wasted when they are both in the squad .

We have limited funds and he spent about 38m on a full back (who can't defend) and a crock.

We could have bought a world class player for that much money - we only have 2 and 1 was there before Benitez ever came here.

Who could we have bought instead of Johnson?

If Benitez wasn't such a dick to people we'd still have Arbeloa (and Xabi for that matter).

Liverpool wouldn't need to have splashed out on replacing players that Benitez had alienated.

...and he wouldn't be whinging about money to "strengthen" a squad (he weakened) today.

Mistakes Benitez?

You said it.

What are you talking about Arby wanted to go anyway, hes not getting any younger he was never going to turn down a move to Madrid. He was just as suspect at the back too (Arsenal at home?)

All the other top managers make mistakes, but the difference is they have the big cash to be able to go out and make people quickly forget them. But here everyone dwells on them.
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Postby Greavesie » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:09 pm

Bav he's just seeing what he wants to see, leave him to it
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Postby account deleted by request » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:10 pm

Greavesie wrote:for the record from what I've read and understand Arbeloa was off because he wanted to go back to Spain, just like Masch. As far as I'm aware Rafaa was not at fault for Arby's departure though he could have got more money from him had he not waited for his contract to run down.

For the little amount of b!tching that went on when he did go I find it hard to believe Rafa's being slated for it now

I am not slating Rafa for selling Arbeloa, although I THINK IT WAS VERY WRONG OF HIM TO TELL PLAYERS NOT TO SIGN NEW CONTRACTS UNTIL HE HAD.
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Postby dawson99 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:11 pm

Stop talking about big cash to get them out. the fact is we are playing sh!t football and what money we do have is being spent badly, and when other teams want to buy players we dont really want we aren't selling, and the players all look completely bemused by the decisions being made
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Postby Greavesie » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:11 pm

s@int wrote:
Greavesie wrote:for the record from what I've read and understand Arbeloa was off because he wanted to go back to Spain, just like Masch. As far as I'm aware Rafaa was not at fault for Arby's departure though he could have got more money from him had he not waited for his contract to run down.

For the little amount of b!tching that went on when he did go I find it hard to believe Rafa's being slated for it now

I am not slating Rafa for selling Arbeloa, although I THINK IT WAS VERY WRONG OF HIM TO TELL PLAYERS NOT TO SIGN NEW CONTRACTS UNTIL HE HAD.

that I do agree with FWIW

Rafa should never have stalled on tying up players to the club before he had himself. In doing what he did he was putting his own future before that of LFC

My comment was more aimed at the others spouting about Johnson and 'Rafa being a d!ck'  :D
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Postby Big Niall » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:23 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Big Niall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Big Niall wrote:That spoofer is calling for more money. He spent 18m on a full back and 20m on a midfielder that contributed nothing. He wastes so much money and then comes back for more.

He says our squad is poor but he has spent 6 years building it and spending hundreds of millions of pounds to do so.

SACK HIM :angry:

Why has the money been wasted when they are both in the squad .

We have limited funds and he spent about 38m on a full back (who can't defend) and a crock.

We could have bought a world class player for that much money - we only have 2 and 1 was there before Benitez ever came here.

Who could we have bought instead of Johnson?

It's only a full back, I wouldn't be pushed. INstead we could have used the funds to have Tevez up front with Torres, with Gerrard and Tevez's friend Masch in midfield.

He WASTED the money on the least important position and a crock.
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Postby Big Niall » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:29 pm

lakes10 wrote:the bottom line is mane that the owners only care about the money, if they canmake money without us winning anything then they donrt care, if we dont make money and have not won anything then they will make the change,

right now its more like Rafa walking ftom the club than him getting sacked.

its down to who acts first, Rafa walking to the owners sacking him, if we get a big tv final and make a bit of money for the owners then they might change there mind for a bit...untill they look at what Rafa might ask for the next year.

The world isn't like that. He won't walk - he'll negotiate a big fat payoff. Whether people fail as bankers or football managers they hang around for millions in payoffs.
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