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by **LFC2007** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:46 am

roberto green wrote:I thought I would make a tongue in cheek post just for those of us who know our stuff and realise what we have and appreciate the best manager we have had since King Kenny left.It's surprising how many people on here don't remember as far back to May when we narrowly missed on on the league for the first time in years(didn't hear any voice of concerns about Rafa then?) and also the best point total in the league when in any other year he would of won the league with the tally.

We all know he makes strange decisions but we put up with it because we realise his Quaalitty, he has been desperately unlucky with injuries and dealt a real blow with the people that run our club but he is sticking it out for what I believe is to pay the fans back for sticking by him. I believe there is a method in his madness for he is now putting pressure on our owners to sell and get investment from new owners to help get us back to the top.

I believe Rafa has Spoilt some of our Fickle fans, the same fans that were probably chanting his name at Old Trafford towards the backend of last season?(I won't mention the minor cups he won for us at the start of his reign lol)

If we had our strongest team out this season would we be in this position we are currently in now? = NO

Is it Rafa's fault they are injured? = NO

Is it Rafa's fault he has 2 dikheads running the club? = NO

Does Rafa deserve to be sacked? = NO

= Rafa is the Man who can = Believe

You've got them foaming at the mouth, mate. Good on ya!

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:47 am

Totally agree with Made in UK here, this is a good thread and fair play to you mate for pinning your flag to the mast. Like the previous posters I don't agree with you but that matters not a jot, you are as entitled if not more so to your opinion as anyone else on here.

In all honesty if the club stick with Rafa through this spell, those that are making the decisions deserve a bit of luck for their loyalty, as do some of the fans who are sticking by the manager through thick and thin. As we know in life you don't always get what you deserve, but hopefully this is the exception which proves the rule.

Just out of interest, are there any circumstances whatsoever which would make you reconsider your position? Failure to get into the top four next season for instance, or does your faith run deep enough whereby you are prepared to give Rafa an unlimited period of time to get us up to the summit?

by **roberto green** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:50 am

lakes10 wrote:roberto green

is it his fault that he has taken 76 players to this club and yet we dont have a good bench this year on?

Yep, is it is his fault he has had to wheel and deal in the transfer market as Chel$ea and Manche$ter United have been able to spend almost 30m on a player most seasons he has been in charge?These 76 players you are on about (I can't even be rsed looking it up) do you think they were ever his first choice given his fianances, It wasn't long ago everyone was saying we had the best spine of a team in the prem if not Europe we just needed to add to it which meant CASH,TBH I can't even be bothered going on about it because it's won't change your mind.I guess me and some others on here can see things the way they really are.

by **roberto green** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:11 am

bigmick wrote:Totally agree with Made in UK here, this is a good thread and fair play to you mate for pinning your flag to the mast. Like the previous posters I don't agree with you but that matters not a jot, you are as entitled if not more so to your opinion as anyone else on here.

In all honesty if the club stick with Rafa through this spell, those that are making the decisions deserve a bit of luck for their loyalty, as do some of the fans who are sticking by the manager through thick and thin. As we know in life you don't always get what you deserve, but hopefully this is the exception which proves the rule.

Just out of interest, are there any circumstances whatsoever which would make you reconsider your position? Failure to get into the top four next season for instance, or does your faith run deep enough whereby you are prepared to give Rafa an unlimited period of time to get us up to the summit?

TBH I think anyone with half a brain can tell he is a good manager (ok he can be a stubborn Bas*ard at times) and he has made mistakes but he has come into this position at our club with Chelsea and the Russian guy flapping their cash and Uniteds continued dominance aswell as other clubs getting their new investment,

If we got new owners who give him 40m to spend on just a few players yous would see the results, he has never had a clear 20m to spend on 1 player apart from Torres(and apart from Keane and we all know what happened there).

I have to admit I have Questioned Rafa's position before but under the circumstances with the sh!t we are in financial wise we really can't do any better whoever took the position.The only way I would really consider his position is if he kept being so negative with regard to playing Lucas and Masch all the time when he has Aqua ready to come in now and some other strange decisions he makes.

We have been at this stage of the season under rafa many times (not out of Champions league tho) and went on to have a good season, I f we won the F.A cup and Europa Cup and qualified for the champions league all this would be forgotten and I for one wouldn't bet against it.

by **roberto green** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:16 am

NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER LAKES
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Does that make me a super fan

Super fan = super Nan

The badge is in the post

by **lakes10** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:29 am

NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER LAKES
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Does that make me a super fan

lol i only asked if it was his fault

by **killerp** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:39 am

Rafa is taking us in a direction but I don't think its forward :glare:

by **anne** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:57 am

Mr Owzat (and that little side kick “killerp”), permit me to be blunt. Look i don't know who you are, so stop sending us with these stalking e-mails you pair of freaks. With a name like Owzat it oozes a pessimist and I know you are pessimist, unfortunately I am an optimist (grateful for what Rafa has done) so therefore whatever you think can happen between us won't. The “Gods” don't allow it. Unless i convert, but what do you think i am going to do? Organize a trip for the pair of us to Jerusalem, dodge the 1349th interfada simply to convert to Mourinho/Hiddink love parade (by the way, they’re doing well!!!!) Yooooooouuuuu Putz. In other words stop pestering us with your homo-erotic-Rafa-bashing-freaky-stalking nonsense you schmuk and get a life.
P.s. By the time I get your reply, I’ll be at work, so it had better be short
But if you are a lucky mitzvah, i'll torah scroll your puny :censored:

when i get back to HQ (Liverpool). Now say your prayers!

Sorry chaps (not you Owzat/Killerp/Gremlin/Cretin/Clown)

I’m currently working in Israel at the moment and love it!

Oddly enough the people here (Israel) cannot understand how Rafa has changed Liverpool from a "has been" (Ajax, Benfica, Marseille) that's right a "Basel struggler". To one of the most feared clubs in Europe and ¼ a way in this season people want to sack that very manager that achieved this?!?!? Again the same man that ‘engineered’ Carra and Gerrard “Worldwide World class status.”

….Oh hold on, Houlllier won the Europa Cup…according to “some” that was an achievement!!!

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:10 am

The sad thing is I remember similar arguments in defence of Houllier, the only difference being I was the one making them.

I defended Houllier for too long, even after I could see that things were bad and secretly worried that things were going to get worse. The real final straw for me was Houllier getting a new contract when I though we should have waited , similarly I thought we should have waited with Rafa too.

Passionless football, players only turning up for the big games, too much deadwood filling the squad....... sometimes history repeats its self.

The problem is you never really know in football until its over. I don't really know that we should change manager, though I think that maybe we should, and I am sure in their heart of hearts all the "believers" have their private doubts too.

I do believe that this manager "worship" that has been a feature of the last couple of managers especially, has and is damaging both to the support and to future of Liverpool FC. IF AND WHEN WE GET A NEW MANAGER I WOULD PREFER HIM TO BE JUST THAT, A MANAGER. It may not be the Liverpool Way, but I believe its the only way forward. Judge them on what they have done for the club not on what you wish they were.

I believe in Liverpool FC, I believe we can and will be great again, I believe we have a team that can win the title, I believe we have the best supporters in the world, maybe I can be forgiven if I don't believe in the manager quite as much.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:13 am

It grates me when people say "rafa has had to wheel and deal". No he hasnt. Harry Redknapp while at west ham "wheeled and dealed". He didnt have a lot of money, and he went about getting the players he wanted. Paulo Di Canio for instance. He was set to meet up with Jim Smith but Harry got in there first, sold west ham to him, and bought him for a good price. Thats wheeling and dealing. Being able to spend £17m on a defender is not. That, compared to lower clubs, is a bloody luxury. Rafa has a lot of things in his favour, having decent money being one of them. Or do people want rafa to be able to spend ludicrous amounts the like of Chelsea and Man City have enjoyed? In which case, thanks but no thanks. I would rather we earn our success not buy it.

by **shawnk** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:15 am

NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER LAKES
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Does that make me a super fan

Hi nanny red,

For some reason, I always read your signature picture as "As always we are focussing on supporting ur manager". hehe

by **anne** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:23 am

Great post Saint, and I wholeheartedly agree,

"WHO" do you have in mind? That can compete with the resources of United, City and Chelsea...."WHO" can win us this league, I know one of man, that got us very close against this competition, and with a little more luck maybe we could have been champions!!!

The season before, Wenger was there, or there abouts. Unfortunately didn't have the 'squad depth' to compete due to "injuries"....yes, yes he's exempt from all scrutiny because of the "attractive football" thing

Now like I said "WHO" Mourinho? Hiddink? Klinsmann? Owzat/Killerp?

Saint, do you see Rafa as a success or failure during his 5yrs?!?!?!?!

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:39 am

If it was my decision I would love to see Dalglish given a chance, I think he still has unfinished business with us, and he is the one man that could bring everyone together. The fans the players the staff everyone (maybe not the owners

)

Mourinho and Hiddink are my other two choices but Mourinho carries a lot of "baggage" and Hiddink is getting on a bit.

I think Rafa has been reasonably successful, more so when he first arrived, but 3 years without a trophy and one title challenge in 5 years is not quite what I expected. This season so far has shocked me, like the Spanish inquisition it was totally unexpected. I thought we might find things harder this season, because I truely believe that last season was a golden opportunity, but I thought we would put in a strong challenge both for the title and in Europe.

by **Penguins** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:51 am

I just love the fact that Rafa has trippled or quadroupled the value of our squad since he took over and still the price of the squad when it was bought by the manager is like 5th or 6th most in the league....
He triples the value of players like Torres, Alonso, Reina etc and no one gives a ****. Even if Rafa achives CL football every season and reach the knockout stages almost every season bringing in huge amount of money, Spurs who are never doing anything, failing to qualify to Europe most of the time, still spend just as much if not even more than LFC.

And you know where the money Rafa generates goes....

Right now Manure, Chelski, City, Spurs maybe Arsenal and Villa can outspend us in January and probably next summer as well but the league title is still a requirement if you want to manage Liverpool FC. With that kind of reality staring down at you it must be the most demanding job in the footballing world....

by **Penguins** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:00 am

Every time Mourinho has taken over a club he has always come to a served table. Took over at Porto who had dominated in Portugal for the last decade before him and had the best team by a mile in the country.
Then he takes over at Chelski and gets a CL team and a few hundred millions to spend. He even failed to win the CL once in 3 years with those resources at his disposal!
And then he takes over at Inter which had the best team in the league by a mile having won the previous 2 titles before he even arrived and has failed just as much as Mancini before him in the CL.

Where is the big achievement? One odd CL title? I would say the way Rafa won it was way better and facing tougher opponents.
Mourinho is overhyped like crazy.
How ****** hard is it to come at served table everytime?

And Hiddink is getting on and it doesn't look like he'll leave the job he has currently.

Are we gonna start be like Newcastle or Bayern who chop and change manager every other year when targets aren't meet and instead of realizing where the problem lies. Stability and strenght of the overall squad!

Once you as a club think you are better than you are or think that CL football, titles, whatever it may be, IS SOMEHOW A RIGHT FOR THE CLUB NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE THEN IT GOES DOWNHILL FAST.

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