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by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:33 pm

Are all these ex players actual c'nts or is there something in what they are saying ?

Granted Collymore has come out with some stuff that made me cringe reading it, but surely former captains like Ronnie Whelan and Jamie Redknapp do still have the club at heart in some way.

Anyone who criticises the manager in public feels teh wrath of the fans and perhaps rightly so.
Maybe these ex players should realise the negative impact that there comments can bring, but do they genuinely not have any affinity towards the club like some are attempting to suggest just because they are critical of Rafa ?

I dont think this is the case all of the time.

And i certainly think despite recent comments someone like Ronnie Whelan doesnt deserve to be called a c'nt.

by **parchpea** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:53 pm

Somehow Benitez has manufactured a situation where he is seen as the most important figure at the football club and if you buy into his mind games then fair enough but my opinion is you are not doing the club as a whole any favours. Only a complete numbskull would support a football team without raising questions or expecting people to be dealt with if they dont do a good enough job. Turning up like a droid with blind faith in all before you no matter what is absolute madness and no one is expected to behave like that. We all support Liverpool but I dont hang on Rafas every word and in my opinion he is not doing a job anymore and needs to be replaced just like a player or anyone else on the payroll at Anfield.

by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:00 pm

Someone else has said that the reason Rafa still remains so popular amongst many supporters is because of the situation him against the owners.

I think that is bang on the money and if we had no had all of this trouble with the owners then he most would have wanted him gone by now without doubt.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:01 pm

parchpea wrote:Somehow Benitez has manufactured a situation where he is seen as the most important figure at the football club and if you buy into his mind games then fair enough but my opinion is you are not doing the club as a whole any favours. Only a complete numbskull would support a football team without raising questions or expecting people to be dealt with if they dont do a good enough job. Turning up like a droid with blind faith in all before you no matter what is absolute madness and no one is expected to behave like that. We all support Liverpool but I dont hang on Rafas every word and in my opinion he is not doing a job anymore and needs to be replaced just like a player or anyone else on the payroll at Anfield.

Probably because you're an idiot.

Probably.

It could be that you have no idea about football, of course, but I think I'm betting on option 1...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:03 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:Someone else has said that the reason Rafa still remains so popular amongst many supporters is because of the situation him against the owners.

I think that is bang on the money and if we had no had all of this trouble with the owners then he most would have wanted him gone by now without doubt.

And if Jose Mourinho raped everyone's grannies then no-one would want him here.

Well, apart from Mick, of course...

We can talk about your fantasies at a later date, but let's keep to the facts for now, eh?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:14 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:If we dont have a change of manager sooner rather than later we will be out of all the cup competitions and playing for a mid-table place by january. If any more money is given to Rafa he will only squander it on bad buys.....(he has been strongly linked with Upson from west ham?) another mediocre overated, and vastly overpriced at £12-14 million!...30 yrs old with no sell on value......thats the type of player rafa will waste more money on....give him no more.......just show him the Door!

Was you sitting near me yesterday wereing a bat man cape , because there was some tool sprouting the same s.*i*e as that,

you must have been Looking at a reflection of yourself......Plebb!.......there are a few like you on here spouting ......Afraid of the truth....Rafa has had his day.....just like some of you lot on here.

Where exactly were you when we were doing well ? where you posting on here saying what a good job Rafa was doing when he took us to second last season ?

I've always believed that Rafa is just not good enough to win us the Title.......even Last season......when again his bad tactics and negative approach to games (especially early in the season) probably cost us the best chance we had...coupled with the unsettling of Alonso, along with the way he was treated by Rafa resulting in him joining Madrid, then what does Rafa do?...goes and buys a crock for £20 million! to replace him.....but is only good enough (or half fit enough?) to sit on the bench after 4 mths!...yeah great buy that Rafa? and some people want to let him waste more money in January......I think so, get rid now.

It's quite difficult to know where to begin trying to rectify your post. The "negative tactics" which led to the outscoring of every side in the league - those tactics?

The unsettling of Alonso - even - and I want to make this absolutely clear - even though many on here (probably you, yourself) were wanting rid of him, too? Are you sure you want to cite this as a flaw, knowing what you know of the "experts'" opinions on here at the time?

The purchase of a "crock" who Rafa was assured - by one of the World's leading doctors - would be out for 1 month at most?

For f*ck's sake; it appears the boss is not only responsible for the mistakes of the players, it's also his fault that he isn't God and cannot predict the future.

Apparently only unhappy players make mistakes. Only disgruntled players lose matches. Only sh*t bosses lose games.

Only good man-managers can rectify this, even though Gerrard, Torres, Carragher, Fowler, Kuyt, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, etc, have all been quoted as saying that Rafa is one of the best managers they have ever worked with.

Still - you know best, don't you?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:29 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:Someone else has said that the reason Rafa still remains so popular amongst many supporters is because of the situation him against the owners.

I think that is bang on the money and if we had no had all of this trouble with the owners then he most would have wanted him gone by now without doubt.

If things with the owners were better then we might be seeing a new stadium and the manager getting better funds to bring in better players to enable us to compete even better - never ending circle but where does it start ? The owners or the manager ?

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:31 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:If we dont have a change of manager sooner rather than later we will be out of all the cup competitions and playing for a mid-table place by january. If any more money is given to Rafa he will only squander it on bad buys.....(he has been strongly linked with Upson from west ham?) another mediocre overated, and vastly overpriced at £12-14 million!...30 yrs old with no sell on value......thats the type of player rafa will waste more money on....give him no more.......just show him the Door!

Was you sitting near me yesterday wereing a bat man cape , because there was some tool sprouting the same s.*i*e as that,

you must have been Looking at a reflection of yourself......Plebb!.......there are a few like you on here spouting ......Afraid of the truth....Rafa has had his day.....just like some of you lot on here.

Where exactly were you when we were doing well ? where you posting on here saying what a good job Rafa was doing when he took us to second last season ?

I've always believed that Rafa is just not good enough to win us the Title.......even Last season......when again his bad tactics and negative approach to games (especially early in the season) probably cost us the best chance we had...coupled with the unsettling of Alonso, along with the way he was treated by Rafa resulting in him joining Madrid, then what does Rafa do?...goes and buys a crock for £20 million! to replace him.....but is only good enough (or half fit enough?) to sit on the bench after 4 mths!...yeah great buy that Rafa? and some people want to let him waste more money in January......I think so, get rid now.

It's quite difficult to know where to begin trying to rectify your post. The "negative tactics" which led to the outscoring of every side in the league - those tactics?

The unsettling of Alonso - even - and I want to make this absolutely clear - even though many on here (probably you, yourself) were wanting rid of him, too? Are you sure you want to cite this as a flaw, knowing what you know of the "experts'" opinions on here at the time?

The purchase of a "crock" who Rafa was assured - by one of the World's leading doctors - would be out for 1 month at most?

For f*ck's sake; it appears the boss is not only responsible for the mistakes of the players, it's also his fault that he isn't God and cannot predict the future.

Apparently only unhappy players make mistakes. Only disgruntled players lose matches. Only sh*t bosses lose games.

Only good man-managers can rectify this, even though Gerrard, Torres, Carragher, Fowler, Kuyt, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, etc, have all been quoted as saying that Rafa is one of the best managers they have ever worked with.

Still - you know best, don't you?

Good points there, and well made too :nod

by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:32 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Someone else has said that the reason Rafa still remains so popular amongst many supporters is because of the situation him against the owners.

I think that is bang on the money and if we had no had all of this trouble with the owners then he most would have wanted him gone by now without doubt.

If things with the owners were better then we might be seeing a new stadium and the manager getting better funds to bring in better players to enable us to compete even better - never ending circle but where does it start ? The owners or the manager ?

Yes we might, well its almost certain that Rafa would be doing a better job.
I think every single supporter knows that the owners are destroying the club solely and things for Rafa are harder than they could be.
But is he still making the most of what he actually has ?

Could someone else do a better job in the current circumstances ?
Its open to debate and we will never know really, but they couldnt do much worse than what we have seen so far this season.

by **Ben Patrick** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:39 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:Someone else has said that the reason Rafa still remains so popular amongst many supporters is because of the situation him against the owners.

I think that is bang on the money and if we had no had all of this trouble with the owners then he most would have wanted him gone by now without doubt.

And if Jose Mourinho raped everyone's grannies then no-one would want him here.

Well, apart from Mick, of course...

We can talk about your fantasies at a later date, but let's keep to the facts for now, eh?

Its an opinion Lando, thats why i put i think

I keep saying it but Houllier was almost as popular until things started to go wrong and now alot of fans only remember the last season and the Diouf, Diao Cheyrou major feck up.
Rafa if he hadnt won his bitter war with the owners would be struggling for the level of support with the fans that he currently has.
I am sure of that in my own mind.

by **roberto green** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:10 pm

I thought I would make a tongue in cheek post just for those of us who know our stuff and realise what we have and appreciate the best manager we have had since King Kenny left.It's surprising how many people on here don't remember as far back to May when we narrowly missed on on the league for the first time in years(didn't hear any voice of concerns about Rafa then?) and also the best point total in the league when in any other year he would of won the league with the tally.

We all know he makes strange decisions but we put up with it because we realise his Quaalitty, he has been desperately unlucky with injuries and dealt a real blow with the people that run our club but he is sticking it out for what I believe is to pay the fans back for sticking by him. I believe there is a method in his madness for he is now putting pressure on our owners to sell and get investment from new owners to help get us back to the top.

I believe Rafa has Spoilt some of our Fickle fans, the same fans that were probably chanting his name at Old Trafford towards the backend of last season?(I won't mention the minor cups he won for us at the start of his reign lol)

If we had our strongest team out this season would we be in this position we are currently in now? = NO

Is it Rafa's fault they are injured? = NO

Is it Rafa's fault he has 2 dikheads running the club? = NO

Does Rafa deserve to be sacked? = NO

= Rafa is the Man who can = Believe

by **Owzat** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:43 pm

I think you shouldn't have bothered with the "tongue in cheek" comment as it is quite clear that this thread is not

If we had our strongest team out this season would we be in this position we are currently in now? = NO

Disregarding the fact that Rafa has assembled the squad and it is his fault the squad isn't strong enough, you're rather painting a distorted picture. True we've missed Torres and Johnson and Gerrard in recent games, but we haven't just started losing games and the run of one win in TEN started before the injuries. Torres has scored TEN Premiership goals ffs, quite clever if you're trying to portray him as permanently absent

PREMIERSHIP APPS 09/10 (13 MAX)

13 REINA, Lucas, BENAYOUN, KUYT
12 Insua, CARRAGHER, MASCHERANO
11 JOHNSON
10 GERRARD, TORRES
9 SKRTEL, Babel

So despite a very popular myth, Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Benayoun, Mascherano, Carragher and Johnson have all played 10 or more league games out of 13 this season. So what players have I overlooked in this "strongest possible XI" or are you referring to the "perfect scenario" of having the strongest XI fit to play all 13?!?!? (unlikely as that is for any team)

Is it Rafa's fault they are injured? = NO

See above, and in the case of Aquilani it was bought as injured so technically yes. The injury crisis is not helping, but has been blown up so much it conceals the facts. Torres has played in all but one of our league defeats, Gerrard has only missed two and Johnson has only missed one. The only game Mascherano missed was a win, only three times have Skrtel and Agger both not played and we won two out of those three.

Torres has already played 10 league games this season, he managed just 24 all last season and we finished second................... Skrtel only played 21 last season, Agger just 18 so these "injury problems" didn't hinder us last season, perhaps because "we" or the manager didn't need an excuse. No sorry, that isn't quite true as I'm sure some hid behind it as an excuse for not winning the league and perhaps always will.

I guess injuries is an excuse for not beating villa and brum at home. Is it a reason for scoring as many goals as we have in the Premiership after 13 games or is it the reason for conceding 20 goals? :laugh:

Maybe injuries aren't Rafa's fault, however the lack of adequate cover within the squad IS.

Does Rafa deserve to be sacked? = NO

Very subjective, hardly something with a definite right or wrong answer.

by **made in UK** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:53 pm

Good on you Roberto

I'll leave my 'superfan' rhetoric at the door of this thread and save that for the 'superfans' but it is a pleasant change to enter a thread like this. Even though I don't agree with most of you're post, my faith is all but lost on Rafa. But I don't want to discuss that in here, what I will say is though many people are fed up with people critising Rafa, which is fair enough as I can understand why. By the same token though everytime we lose a match the people who are fed up with the critising of Rafa, critise the owners instead. For every bad result we get the owners are fault and I suspect some of Rafa's critics get fed up with that too. Showing support without alluding yourself to being a 'superfan' which by definition is mocking others who don't have the luxury of visiting Anfield on a weekly basis. People who deem fellow LFC supporters inferior and believe they're not genuine Liverpool fans because they don't follow the same perplexing unconditional faith in Rafa as they themselves do. Is not support its immaturity.

by **lakes10** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:36 am

roberto green

is it his fault that he has taken 76 players to this club and yet we dont have a good bench this year on?

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:45 am

GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER LAKES
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Does that make me a super fan :;):

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