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Postby tonyeh » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:39 am

Still gutted this morning.

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Postby Sabre » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:40 am

Bad Bob wrote:Holy fecking hell I've just seen the replay and the word shambolic doesn't begin to do it justice.  The Irish were well and truly violated with that goal (several times over) and it's another in a long litany of bad decisions these days that makes you wonder about the integrity of the sport.  Absolutely pathetic.

Makes you wonder about the integrity of spot?

It seems that you only have seen the clean English football so far, because I stopped believing in the integrity of football at the age of 13.

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The headlines in Spain about the match yesterday is : Hands up!!!!! Which I think is what you say when there's a robbery.

Disgusting.
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Postby woof woof ! » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:50 am

Big Niall wrote:It was supposed to be an open draw so we'd have a decent chance of getting greece,ukraine or another team which  aren't much good.

How can you change the rules at the end to ensure we get a big team?

You really think if that had happened at the other end we'd have got it? you think FIFA didn't care which team won?

It's not as if Ireland were outmatched or outplayed by a so called "Big Team", I'm sure France weren't to happy when they got Ireland in the draw.

I doubt if Ireland would have fared any better if the draw had been different,they could just as easily got to play Portugal or Russia.

To me Ireland looked a pretty hardworking but fairly toothless side. Certainly all Irish supporters should be aggrieved by the handball that gave France their goal but lets face it, Ireland failed to take the best chances of the match. Two fluffed one on ones with the keeper is the real reason Ireland aren't in the finals.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:00 am

footballcrystal7 wrote:Henry blatantly cheated and should be called out for it. Feel sorry for the Irish, but slightly annoyed about the hypocrisy that goes on in football.

Diving is cheating, handballing is cheating, but so is deliberately fouling someone, pulling someones shirt, blocking a player of in the box and the most dishonest thing claiming throw ins when you know its not yours.

All the above is a form of cheating, but people do not complain. I played football till I was chucked out at youth level and played county rugby before that. I can honestly say I have never deliberately cheated in any match I have played. Yet I dont understand why other forms of cheating

deliberate fouls
pulling shirts
claiming throw ins
faking injuries

are accepted.

Thanks for the wonderful insight into football, you moron.

A deliberate handball - TWICE - in the box, missed by both the ref and the linesman, with the rest of the world watching, has chucked us out of a competition worth an absolute fortune to a football association in dire need of it. We were immense last night - if you told an outsider that the surrender monkeys in blue were the ones with world class players, he'd have laughed you out of it.
And as Dundalk says, this comes AFTER that other cheatin' surrender monkey Platini changes the rules to allow those poxbottles be seeded ahead of us...

Your post is muck. Fouls and shirtpulling are all part of the game. What is not part of the game is being cheated out of a fair chance at penalties (most likely), even after a chance against a lesser team than france (possible).
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Postby bunglemark2 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:05 am

woof woof ! wrote:
Big Niall wrote:It was supposed to be an open draw so we'd have a decent chance of getting greece,ukraine or another team which  aren't much good.

How can you change the rules at the end to ensure we get a big team?

You really think if that had happened at the other end we'd have got it? you think FIFA didn't care which team won?

It's not as if Ireland were outmatched or outplayed by a so called "Big Team", I'm sure France weren't to happy when they got Ireland in the draw.

I doubt if Ireland would have fared any better if the draw had been different,they could just as easily got to play Portugal or Russia.

To me Ireland looked a pretty hardworking but fairly toothless side. Certainly all Irish supporters should be aggrieved by the handball that gave France their goal but lets face it, Ireland failed to take the best chances of the match. Two fluffed one on ones with the keeper is the real reason Ireland aren't in the finals.

With all due respect mate, that's ar.se and you know it...

One of the one-on-ones was actually a blocking tackle by (I think) Sagna which can clearly be seen on the replays. The flight of the ball changes.

Their keeper also played a blinder, forcing Keane wide on one occasion, and on another making a brave dive at Keane's feet just as he was about to strike. Yes, we don't have world-class strikers but we played up to our strengths and made the best of what limited quality we have. On another night, it could have been a fairytale ending, but there's no way anybody with even a half decent appreciation of the game would suggest that our honesty deserved the victory.

Sadly moral victories don't count....
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Postby supersub » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:24 am

footballcrystal7 wrote:and the most dishonest thing claiming throw ins when you know its not yours.

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Postby made in UK » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:36 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Big Niall wrote:It was supposed to be an open draw so we'd have a decent chance of getting greece,ukraine or another team which  aren't much good.

How can you change the rules at the end to ensure we get a big team?

You really think if that had happened at the other end we'd have got it? you think FIFA didn't care which team won?

It's not as if Ireland were outmatched or outplayed by a so called "Big Team", I'm sure France weren't to happy when they got Ireland in the draw.

I doubt if Ireland would have fared any better if the draw had been different,they could just as easily got to play Portugal or Russia.

To me Ireland looked a pretty hardworking but fairly toothless side. Certainly all Irish supporters should be aggrieved by the handball that gave France their goal but lets face it, Ireland failed to take the best chances of the match. Two fluffed one on ones with the keeper is the real reason Ireland aren't in the finals.

With all due respect mate, that's ar.se and you know it...

One of the one-on-ones was actually a blocking tackle by (I think) Sagna which can clearly be seen on the replays. The flight of the ball changes.

Their keeper also played a blinder, forcing Keane wide on one occasion, and on another making a brave dive at Keane's feet just as he was about to strike. Yes, we don't have world-class strikers but we played up to our strengths and made the best of what limited quality we have. On another night, it could have been a fairytale ending, but there's no way anybody with even a half decent appreciation of the game would suggest that our honesty deserved the victory.

Sadly moral victories don't count....

Dry you're eyes fella.

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Postby bunglemark2 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:38 am

made in UK wrote:Dry you're eyes fella.

Theres aways 2014  :laugh:

Viva la Australie!!!!

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Postby made in UK » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:41 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
made in UK wrote:Dry you're eyes fella.

Theres aways 2014  :laugh:

Viva la Australie!!!!

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Postby Sabre » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:50 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
made in UK wrote:Dry you're eyes fella.

Theres aways 2014  :laugh:

Viva la Australie!!!!

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Don't worry Bunglemark, when Spain faces the physical strength and tempo of the English, your eyes will be dry and others will we wet.

Not sure if those eyes will be spanish or english, but the irish eyes will be having a laugh!  :D
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Postby Big Niall » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:23 pm

FIFA,Platini, the t.v companies have the team they wanted to reach the finals.

Ireland are NOT a great team - just ordinary players giving it everything the way sport is supposed to be.

They did everything they could to ensure the big countries got there (changing the rules once they realised how many big commerical countries could miss out) and nobody thought a team with players from stoke,coventry,wolves etc could beat a team which Benzeme couldn't make it onto over two legs.

FIFA fukked Ireland over. :angry:
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Postby Big Niall » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:26 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Holy fecking hell I've just seen the replay and the word shambolic doesn't begin to do it justice.  The Irish were well and truly violated with that goal (several times over) and it's another in a long litany of bad decisions these days that makes you wonder about the integrity of the sport.  Absolutely pathetic.

I am really losing respect for football as a sport. It is just a money business.

Can you imagine golf officials throwing Tiger Woods ball out from the rough because sponsers wanted him to win the major?
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Postby footballcrystal7 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:33 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
footballcrystal7 wrote:Henry blatantly cheated and should be called out for it. Feel sorry for the Irish, but slightly annoyed about the hypocrisy that goes on in football.

Diving is cheating, handballing is cheating, but so is deliberately fouling someone, pulling someones shirt, blocking a player of in the box and the most dishonest thing claiming throw ins when you know its not yours.

All the above is a form of cheating, but people do not complain. I played football till I was chucked out at youth level and played county rugby before that. I can honestly say I have never deliberately cheated in any match I have played. Yet I dont understand why other forms of cheating

deliberate fouls
pulling shirts
claiming throw ins
faking injuries

are accepted.

Thanks for the wonderful insight into football, you moron.

A deliberate handball - TWICE - in the box, missed by both the ref and the linesman, with the rest of the world watching, has chucked us out of a competition worth an absolute fortune to a football association in dire need of it. We were immense last night - if you told an outsider that the surrender monkeys in blue were the ones with world class players, he'd have laughed you out of it.
And as Dundalk says, this comes AFTER that other cheatin' surrender monkey Platini changes the rules to allow those poxbottles be seeded ahead of us...

Your post is muck. Fouls and shirtpulling are all part of the game. What is not part of the game is being cheated out of a fair chance at penalties (most likely), even after a chance against a lesser team than france (possible).

I will let the insult and the rubbish you are sprouting go, because it's an awful time and you are rightly upset.

But how is shirt pulling and deliberate fouling part of football, but diving and handballing not.

You are a complete hypocrite. Just off the top of my head Owen dived twice against Argentina. One got the second goal in 98 and the third knocked them out of the world cup in 2002. Or in the case of Henry you seem to forget the two obvious handballs from Henchoz at the 2001 FA cup. Or perhaps Carragher blatantly pulling Owen down just a few weeks ago to stop him getting a one on one. Or maybe we should look at Gerrards dive in the 2005 CL final. Or when Scotland handballled  in euro 96 against the Dutch.

All these are incidences of cheating.

One of the best moments as a fan of my club came when we needed to win a match to stay in the Championship and were drawing with a minute left. One of our players punched the ball to stop a chance hoofed it up the pitch for us to score a last minute goal. We cheated and it saved our club a bit like when you guys cheated against United a couple of weeks ago and against Arsenal in the Fa cup of Milan in the CL.

Either condemn all forms of cheating or accept that any form of cheating is part of the game. Why should you pick and chose which CHEATING is acceptable to you and which is not.
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Postby stmichael » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:48 pm

it's fine everybody slagging off henry. anelka was just as bad with his dive a few minutes earlier imo.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:59 pm

footballcrystal7 wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:
footballcrystal7 wrote:Henry blatantly cheated and should be called out for it. Feel sorry for the Irish, but slightly annoyed about the hypocrisy that goes on in football.

Diving is cheating, handballing is cheating, but so is deliberately fouling someone, pulling someones shirt, blocking a player of in the box and the most dishonest thing claiming throw ins when you know its not yours.

All the above is a form of cheating, but people do not complain. I played football till I was chucked out at youth level and played county rugby before that. I can honestly say I have never deliberately cheated in any match I have played. Yet I dont understand why other forms of cheating

deliberate fouls
pulling shirts
claiming throw ins
faking injuries

are accepted.

Thanks for the wonderful insight into football, you moron.

A deliberate handball - TWICE - in the box, missed by both the ref and the linesman, with the rest of the world watching, has chucked us out of a competition worth an absolute fortune to a football association in dire need of it. We were immense last night - if you told an outsider that the surrender monkeys in blue were the ones with world class players, he'd have laughed you out of it.
And as Dundalk says, this comes AFTER that other cheatin' surrender monkey Platini changes the rules to allow those poxbottles be seeded ahead of us...

Your post is muck. Fouls and shirtpulling are all part of the game. What is not part of the game is being cheated out of a fair chance at penalties (most likely), even after a chance against a lesser team than france (possible).

I will let the insult and the rubbish you are sprouting go, because it's an awful time and you are rightly upset.

But how is shirt pulling and deliberate fouling part of football, but diving and handballing not.

You are a complete hypocrite. Just off the top of my head Owen dived twice against Argentina. One got the second goal in 98 and the third knocked them out of the world cup in 2002. Or in the case of Henry you seem to forget the two obvious handballs from Henchoz at the 2001 FA cup. Or perhaps Carragher blatantly pulling Owen down just a few weeks ago to stop him getting a one on one. Or maybe we should look at Gerrards dive in the 2005 CL final. Or when Scotland handballled  in euro 96 against the Dutch.

All these are incidences of cheating.

One of the best moments as a fan of my club came when we needed to win a match to stay in the Championship and were drawing with a minute left. One of our players punched the ball to stop a chance hoofed it up the pitch for us to score a last minute goal. We cheated and it saved our club a bit like when you guys cheated against United a couple of weeks ago and against Arsenal in the Fa cup of Milan in the CL.

Either condemn all forms of cheating or accept that any form of cheating is part of the game. Why should you pick and chose which CHEATING is acceptable to you and which is not.

Shut yer hoop, and go off into a corner and play with yourself, you tart  :D

WTF are you doing on a LFC forum if you spit out anti-LFC vitriol ? No friends ?

Sheesh.....


stmick: you're damn right about the Anelka dive as well....Notice even FIFA have been deafening in their condemnation of both him and Henry this morning ?

I was even on the Le Monde website this morning : an astonishing 86% of respondents felt the Irish were robbed and deserved to go through...
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