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by **Greavesie** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:00 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
brentd4 wrote:give him time to put us outta europe then get rid at xmas so we can sell alot of that guff we hav and rebuild in time to get into top4 for end of season so r season isnt a total shambles. rafas time is up hasnt got the skills to build a good quality deep squad

Here's another prime example of the shyte I speak of. Such pearls of wisdom there. That's right, folks; this beaut want's us to get rid of Rafa and all his staff, strip the whole squad of "guff" as he puts it, and get a new manager with a total rebuild of squad players, hoping they mircaulously gel, and get that top four finish that is well and truely beyond Rafa's powers as Liverpool manager. This man not only has a crystal ball to see that we won't finish in the top four, he's also worked out in his mind the best course of action is to throw in the towel. Bravo. Coming in here and reading sh*t like this is what makes my day sometimes.

F*ck the five year plan. I'm going with this. It's genius.

by **Owzat** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:33 pm

The_Rock wrote:Top contributors to this thread.....

Dazzer 155
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Greavesie 27
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Shame you can't do a word count, although I'm a little surprised I've only posted 13 times previously. May not seem a lot compared to some of the "main contributors", but 10 in any one thread is quite a lot.

Shame that doesn't list the "faithful", the "anti-Rafa brigade" and those that fall somewhere inbetween

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:34 pm

Big Niall wrote:It is like watching a dog die slowly.

After buying 76 players and having spent huge money and having such a shhit squad, it is time to go.

Can we afford the massive payoff (how the hell did he get such a long contract?)

Time to go.

Give over you silly sod.

Ferguson signed 26 first team players in his first 6 seasons - there are no records I can find which reflect how many kids he bought.

Bear in mind the differences in the game back in the '80s - squads were much smaller and people generally stuck to a regular 11 throughout the season.

Rafa has signed 33 first team players - the rest were kids for the future. (I have included the likes of Babel, Itandje, Cavilieri) as first-team players even though they were signed for the future/back-up.

Can we dispel this myth that he's signed player after player for the first team, please? Bear in mind that the following 9 were all free:

Itandje, Voronin, Aurelio, Fowler, Degen, Kromkamp, Zenden, Pellegrino, Nunez (part of Owen deal and forced on Rafa.)

From the reserves, the following 49 players cost f*ck all:

Dani Pacheco
July 2007
0

Barcelona
Mihail Alexandrov
July 2007
0

CSKA Sofia
Nikolay Mihaylov
July 2007
0

Levski Sofia
Marvin Pourie
July 2007
0

Borussia Dortmund
Vincent Lucas Weijl
July 2008
0

AZ Alkmaar
Chris Mavinga
July 8 2009
0

Paris St Germain
Gary Mackay Steven
June 2007
0

Ross County
Nicolaj Beier Kohlert
July 2009
0

Esbjerg fB
Ryan Flynn
July 2006
0

Trainee

Ryan Crowther
July 2007
0

Stockport County
Victor Palsson
January 2009
0

AGF Arhus
Nikola Saric
July 2008
0

Herfolge

Hakan Duyan
June 2008
0

Lauri Dalla Valle
January 2008
0

Jippo
Vitor Flora
September 1 2008
0

Botafogo FC
Daniel Ayala
July 2007
0

Sevilla
Gerardo Bruna
September 2007
0

Real Madrid
Damien Plessis
August 2007
0

Lyon
Peter Gulacsi
1 September 2008
0

MTK Hungaria
Emmanuel Mendy
July 23 2008
0

Murcia Deportivo
Andras Simon
27 May 2007
0

MTK Hungaria
Krisztian Nemeth
27 May 2007
0

MTK Hungaria
Godwin Antwi
August 2005
0

Real Zaragoza

Miki Roque
August 2005
0

Llieda
Nabir El Zhar
June 2006
0

St Etienne
Mark Smyth
June 2004
0

Trainee
Jay Smith
July 2005
0

Trainee
Stephen Darby
July 2006
0

Trainee
Craig Lindfield
July 2006
0

Trainee
Adam Hammill
January 2006
0

Trainee
Danny Guthrie
July 2005
0

Trainee
Paul Anderson
January 2006
0

Hull City
Lee Peltier
July 2005
0

Trainee

Robbie Threlfall
July 2006
0

Trainee
David Mannix
July 2004
0

Trainee
Dave Roberts
July 2006
0

Trainee

Manchester City
Ryan Wilkie
July 2005
0

Trainee
Calum Woods
January 2006
0

Trainee
Paul Willis
July 2005
0

Trainee
Danny O'Donnell
July 2005
0

Trainee
Ramon Calliste
August 2005
0

Manchester United
Steve Irwin
July 2008
0

Trainee
Martin Kelly
August 2007
0

Trainee
Ronald Huth
January 2007
0

Tacuary FC
Jordy Brouwer
January 2007
0

Ajax
Francisco Manuel Duran
January 2007
0

Malaga

Ray Putterill
June 2007
0

Trainee
Martin Hansen
June 2007
0

Trainee
Jay Spearing
June 2007
0

Trainee

This hap-handed speculation about Rafa's signings in really getting on my goat.

He has paid for 36 players in his time here. THIRTY SIX.
The other 60 were free. (I have included trainees as well - just to get an accurate picture.)

That's 96 players for first team, reserves, under 18's, etc. Even when you take the 3 main teams - that's 32 players per team over 6 years - not a lot, folks, 5 signings per year...

Get your facts straight - he's our manager for feck's sake - if WE don't know our sh*t, how can we blame the media for getting it wrong as well?

I can just about tolerate the likes of Heim "OH MY GOD RAFA'S SH*T" dall and Big "Mourinho's c*ck tastes lovely" Mick's inaccurate rantings as we all know they would rather swat up on the greasy one.

But FFS - sort yourselves out! Rafa's getting raped from all quarters due to lazy journalism and inaccurate fans quoting the rubbish they read without taking the time to find out the reality.

IT STOPS NOW.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:50 pm

Big Niall wrote:Remember the 2001 back four, Babel - Hypia - Henchoz - Carragher, McAllister&Hamann&SG in midfield, Owen&Fowler&Heskey competing for a spot up front (forgot the years Litmanen was here),

I just don't see how the current players is much better, Benitez is a better manager than Houllier but I don't think his record of buyin players is very good. How come he has to sell so many players HE buys?

Because unlike Houllier, he sells the ones which don't work out.

(Cheyrou, Traore, Biscan, Diao, Diouf, Ferri - how long was he here for!?! Meijer, etc.)

Rafa ships them out ASAP.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:51 pm

Rockthekop wrote:Rafa got it so wrong last night by playing Voronin. He offered absolutely nothing in the first half yet Rafa kept him on until the 68th min.

You can't defend the decision to play him never mind persist with him until the 68th minute. It is nothing new for Rafa though, he has done it with Kuyt, Lucas and others in the past.

He also has a habit of bringing off players who are having a good game, he doesn't like bringing off either of his beloved holding players even if we need to score.

The man is an enigma, there's no method in his madness but there's madness in his method!

So he didn't get himself one-on-one with the 'keeper, then? It was Rafa's fault he hit it at the goalie, then?

Wipe your mouth mate - you're talking sh*t...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:52 pm

heimdall wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Remember the 2001 back four, Babel - Hypia - Henchoz - Carragher, McAllister&Hamann&SG in midfield, Owen&Fowler&Heskey competing for a spot up front (forgot the years Litmanen was here),

I just don't see how the current players is much better, Benitez is a better manager than Houllier but I don't think his record of buyin players is very good. How come he has to sell so many players HE buys?

At the moment I'd actually say Houllier was slightly the better manager, he was never the same for Liverpool after that heart scare though and towards the end he was making decisions almost as weird as Rafa's.

Spoken like a true idiot once again.

You're still p*ssed that Rafa sold Riise, aren't you? Come on - admit it!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:54 pm

heimdall wrote:
Rockthekop wrote:Rafa got it so wrong last night by playing Voronin. He offered absolutely nothing in the first half yet Rafa kept him on until the 68th min.

You can't defend the decision to play him never mind persist with him until the 68th minute. It is nothing new for Rafa though, he has done it with Kuyt, Lucas and others in the past.

He also has a habit of bringing off players who are having a good game, he doesn't like bringing off either of his beloved holding players even if we need to score.

The man is an enigma, there's no method in his madness but there's madness in his method!

I'm actually starting to think he's a bit dim, some of his decisions just don't make any footballing sense at all, e.g Voronin. Also why in the feck did he not play Aquaman, at least give him 20 minutes and tell him to stake a claim, become a hero.

Because he isn't fit you sad fool. DO you even think about things before you type them?

I wish you would accidentally break your laptop and give us all a break from your feeble posts.

I'll break it for you if you want?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:56 pm

brentd4 wrote:give him time to put us outta europe then get rid at xmas so we can sell alot of that guff we hav and rebuild in time to get into top4 for end of season so r season isnt a total shambles. rafas time is up hasnt got the skills to build a good quality deep squad

by **Flight** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:02 pm

access wrote:
Flight wrote:
access wrote:C) A serious concern for me it the lack of young talent coming through the ranks it has been written that Rafa isn’t ‘interested’ in the youth policy I want to know why?

D) If he is a tactician why didn’t he for see the potential problems with the injuries to Torres and get rid of Robbie Keane why persist with Voronin when we can ALL see he is not a class act even my 16 year old nephew comments on his ‘skills’ if he was a master tactician under the circumstances take a punt on Owen it would have cost us nothing he had nothing to lose Owen has already scored this season.

c) It isn't that Rafa isn't interested in the youth set up, it is that Parry never let him have anything to do with the youth set up. Rafa has only had any say at all on the youth side of things in the last few months.

d) He sold Keane and Alonso and had a big slice of the transfer funds he received for them taken off him.

At the end of this last transfer window we had an offer of £3mill for Voronin from Hertha Berlin and Rafa wanted to sell but was afraid the Americans would also take that money off him. Same thing with Babel.

Up until this last summer Liverpool under Rafa had bought 66 players; 49 of them still here - 18 in the senior squad. The rest are largely kids. The numbers thrown around about transfers are very misleading.

Rafas net spend over the 6 summers he has been here is the same as Aston Villa or Sunderlands. Bottom line our expectations are too high given the budget we are operating on.

This won't change while the Americans are here. It doesn't matter who the manager is. Every single penny into the club is accounted for in interest payments. There is nothing left to buy players with.

It is 100% certain that the club is in decline as long as the Americans are here no matter who the manager is.

I seriously cannot take this as a viable point. I wish I really could and agree with your argument about ‘CASH’ and the owners if we say Rafa is as good as he is and it is just down to the owners giving us lack of cash …you point goes out of the window as can you explain why Arsenal with Arsene Wenger without a 'huge spend' can buy young talent 'good' talent bring them on put them in the first team and they progress and they play good football ….. isn’t that down to the Coach?

What is it you can't take as a viable point ? I've stated facts. We've gone nigh on two years with zero net spend and that will continue under the present ownership.

Often overlooked is the fact that Wenger has paid more on top of us in wages than Rafa has in his entire time here in buying players. As have, obviously, the Mancs and Chelsea (Chelsea pay £40mill a year more than us in wages, for example).

That's before you figure in any of those clubs actual spend on players or take into account they have always had squads with plenty of depth.

by **Owzat** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:06 pm

Lando - which are you going for, a full set of cards or the most posts in this thread? :laugh:

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:05 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
brentd4 wrote:give him time to put us outta europe then get rid at xmas so we can sell alot of that guff we hav and rebuild in time to get into top4 for end of season so r season isnt a total shambles. rafas time is up hasnt got the skills to build a good quality deep squad

That cracked me up. Brilliant.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:10 pm

He's taking us backwards, they say. Houllier was a better manager; his squad is no better. Blah!

I'd just like to hearken back the fact that Rafa has had more wins in his first 200 games in the league than any other manager to have managed us in the league.

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:14 pm

Emerald Red wrote:He's taking us backwards, they say. Houllier was a better manager; his squad is no better. Blah!

I'd just like to hearken back the fact that Rafa has had more wins in his first 200 games in the league than any other manager to have managed us in the league.

It's a nonsense stat mate and you know it so why put it up? It used to be two points for a win, so a draw at a lower team was a good result. That takes out of the equation all the managers before the change to the rules.

Just like the "he's signed 67 players" is a nonsense statement, so is this.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:18 pm

bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:He's taking us backwards, they say. Houllier was a better manager; his squad is no better. Blah!

I'd just like to hearken back the fact that Rafa has had more wins in his first 200 games in the league than any other manager to have managed us in the league.

It's a nonsense stat mate and you know it so why put it up? It used to be two points for a win, so a draw at a lower team was a good result. That takes out of the equation all the managers before the change to the rules.

Just like the "he's signed 67 players" is a nonsense statement, so is this.

It's not a nonsense stat. How can you say it's a nonsense stat? It's a fact, is it not? People have stated that Benitez is taking the club backwards. How the f*ck can that be if he has a better record in the league in his first 200 games than any other manager that's managed us? Draws aside, it's still impressive and still valid in the light of the absolute dogs abuse he's been getting by some fans who haven't a clue, and the press in particular. It's well known that Benitez has never got the credit he's been due, only because he's yet to win the bloody title.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:18 pm

Damn, you've got to admire Lando. Defending Rafa on here must be a really hard job, especially with so many wum pr!cks lurking around this place at the moment.

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