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[tubby]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

The fact

come on Bav you are better than that mate 

Sorry mate but im sick of all these pops at the manager.

[Benny The Noon]

I ask all of you......why keep him?? This whole thing reminds me when fans were getting sick of Houllier after 3 seasons. this is benitez's 6th season.
basically

if anything we are a weekend side from when he took over!

how far have we come in 6 seasons??

take stevie and torres out, we are a poor side.

whole season could be over if fiorentina win v lyon now, as we are out of league then and CL.

forget all of this "BELIeVE IN RAFA VOODOO BULLSH*t!!!!!!*. stop living in dreamland. stop defending the loser. he is far too defensive. did lucas even touch the ball tonight? mascha and lucas midfield...torres all alone up front!?? wheres the chances coming from? doesnt take stevie wonder to work it out!!!!!! SYSTEM..............

Shanks is turning in his grave!!!!!!!
lfc A SUPERIOR FORCE?"
shall we believe that rafa has this pshycic power to make a mediocre side win the league over quality sides? ???

we have ONE quality striker, torres thats it. not good enough.

and why does rafa think lucas is a quality player?? why is he still in the squad when some good quality has been released well before??? the man is insane. Sissoko was a quality player, he went as he wasnt gonna get a game.

By the time we get aquilani or wotever  actually match fit, the season will be OVER FFS..by then! 20m wasted or wot???

i honestly dont think he knows what he is doing.

i dont balme rafa for transfer funds from LFC board + market trends currently etc. but he has to pay dearly for his own crucial mistakes surely!!! + for the players he has let go cheaply, surely.ie: fowler, bellamy, keane, sissoko, garcia, crouch. and then playing kack tonight like lucas and voronin instead of babel.

stop defending the man.  he is accountable.

The amount of negative Rafa topics on here now show a lot of Lfc fans' patience is running out.

I even saw ex Lfc Ronnie Whelan on Lfc tv, saying that Rafa should go soon, if this season is poor.!!!!!!
and rememeber....we have no carling cup to fall back on....as we are OUT!!!!!!!!!!! FFS!!!!!!!!!

he's making us as laughing stock.

Boo hoo.

Back to school you go 1/10 for effort

[Big Niall]

It is like watching a dog die slowly.

After buying 76 players and having spent huge money and having such a shhit squad, it is time to go.

Can we afford the massive payoff (how the hell did he get such a long contract?)

Time to go.

[Benny The Noon]

It is like watching a dog die slowly.

After buying 76[B] players and having spent huge money and having such a shhit squad, it is time to go.

Can we afford the massive payoff (how the hell did he get such a long contract?)

Time to go.

[b]76 Players

That figure goes up on a daily basis .

[lakes10]

It is like watching a dog die slowly.

After buying 76[B] players and having spent huge money and having such a shhit squad, it is time to go.

Can we afford the massive payoff (how the hell did he get such a long contract?)

Time to go.

[b]76 Players

That figure goes up on a daily basis .

67 was the last time i looked them up.

[bigmick]

I thought the number was 67 players, but I'm not sure it's important anyway. Just because the manager has bought 67 players, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're all cr@p, or indeed that they're all good. It's just a number and is insignificant as it includes all the Finnish kids, Austrian under 15's and the like. It no doubt includes goalkeepers as well which probably accounts for about 20 of em so i wouldn't pay it too much mind.

The key is the first team and how well we keep players happy and then improve them. We do seem to have a thing going whereby the minute somebody is out of the first team they want away (if they're any good anyway) and I wonder if we're working hard enough to keep players happy. This may not be the manager, it could well be those around him. Other teams though seem to be able to keep the Soloman Kalous, the Phillip Senderos's and the Nani's happy enough so I wonder where we're going wrong.

[Benny The Noon]

The kalous and nanis etc are picking up medals and big wages and are happy to sit on their backside most of the time . The players we could of had as back up - Crouch ,Bellamy,Sissokko,Sami etc all wanted regular first team football

[bigmick]

The kalous and nanis etc are picking up medals and big wages and are happy to sit on their backside most of the time . The players we could of had as back up - Crouch ,Bellamy,Sissokko,Sami etc all wanted regular first team football

Look, is it not possible to have a sensible football discussion without people battening down the hatches and returning to their trenches.

I'm not necessarily saying it's Rafa's fault mate, I'm simply stating a fact. Players want away when they aren't happy, for whatever reason. One of the things we need to get better at is making players happy. When players are happy, they play better, a bit like when people are happy they work better.
Simple as that really.

[Benny The Noon]

Im sorry Micheal but i didnt mention Rafa did i ? I was giving you a reason why i think players leave here instead of keeping our bench warm like they have at man utd and chelsea etc .

[access]

I have explained a number of times I am a ‘newbie’ on here and whilst I read a number of posts who continually shout for benitez’s head  I am of the opinion that isn’t going to cure the problem, and at 20 million quid how can we seriously pay him off.

For me I find it difficult to write these constructive forum views and read some of intelligent arguments and views but I am going to give it a go.

As a Liverpool supporter for over 45 years I am seriously wondering where my club is going, I know from personal reasons ‘I’ … ‘we’ ‘you’ are the most loyal supporters in the world and I have no doubt when I write this when we lose my heart feels like someone has pierced it with a knife.

I have always been loyal the red blood in my veins is the blood of ‘Liverpool’ I have experienced the highs and lows over a number of years and at this precise moment I am at a total low … when I was apprentice when things were going wrong  I was told ‘you cant blame a person on the shop floor if things get f*****d up you can only blame the Manager cause he runs the business’.

Starting with the owners - I hate the Yanks with a passion it’s like I have a lodger in my house who I cant stand but on one hand he is contributing to paying the bills but at the same time he is stealing the family silver but I cant see this being resolved in the short term.

Benitez whilst a number of you will follow him to the ‘ends of the earth’ I am now seriously doubting his credentials and I never thought I would.

A) The departure of Alonso has been bad news for us we cant ignore it and yet not at all unexpected. The disappointing thing for me is that Alonso was ‘more’ than driven out of the club by Rafa because of  the persistent ‘courting’ of Gareth Barry and the stubborn lack of admiration for a truly class international in Alonso and it paved the way for him going out of the door.

B) Rafa total control of any dealings and spending whilst we all/most support Rafa the facts are there in black and white even if you blame the yanks Rafa has been given money to buy players. Rafa ‘wanted’ total control of the club and any dealings that was part of his deal I serious wondered why he paid 20 million for a player already injured with a track record of injuries …however we see this it is NOT good business however you look at it.

36 players in total cost 229 million
32 players out total cost 112 million

C) A serious concern for me it the lack of young talent coming through the ranks it has been written that Rafa isn’t ‘interested’ in the youth policy  I want to know why? 

• Emilio Insua (28 games for 1st team)
• Nabil El Zhar (25 games)
• David Ngog (22 games)
• Jay Spearing (3 games)
• Stephen Darby (2 games)

D) If he is a tactician  why didn’t he for see the potential problems with the injuries to Torres and get rid of  Robbie Keane why persist with Voronin when we can ALL see he is not a class act even my 16 year old nephew comments on his ‘skills’ if he was a master tactician  under the circumstances take a punt on Owen it would have cost us nothing he had nothing to lose Owen has already scored this season.

Carragher is now 31 why isn’t he ‘already’ grooming a younger player in that style? Look at the depth of other squads in the top 6.

I know we have a huge amount of injuries and I know we pushed the Manc’s last year and could have won the Premier League but no one ever remembers who comes in second I remember how we slated him when he ‘tinkered’ with the team last year and we drew a number of games and a number of people slated him on this forum.

Injuries … the same old ‘walnut’ however this hurts for me to type these words … take a look at Arsenal and the youth players and how he has brought them on and how much he has spent in comparison to us ….and the F….g Mancs they could have used 4 other strikers and two of them under the age of 20.

I have had my doubts about Benitez for a number of months now and looking at him make me wonder if the whole situation is finally ‘getting’ to him whereas I was impressed  especially after the Champions League Final, but is that one night clouding my whole opinion of him?

Comments please …. Prove me wrong … Prove me right .. ??

[bigmick]

Another very good post that mate.

[Benny The Noon]

1. Xabi - at the time he was looking to replace Xabi - Xabi had just suffered two years of poor and below par form - way below the standard we saw when he first arrived so could easily see why he wanted him replaced with someone a bit more consistent - during that summer why wasnt Madrid in for him then when cheaper - because they also prob didnt think he was worth the risk after two years below par .

2.This was the first summer Rafa had total control - bought three players - 1 is a big improvement - 1 is yet to be decided and the final one was obviously a cheap alternative to who he really wanted . Also funds for other players that he wanted were removed - funds that came from the sale of xabi - basically the owners gave him no money to spend this summer . Aquqlini while injured was able to get for that price due to him being inujry and they guy still has a whole career ahead of him - lets not forgot gerrard suffered a fair number of injuries during the early stages of his career - you onl.y have to look at the reaction of the senior roma players and fans to aqualinis departure .

3. This if the first season Rafa has had total control on the youth ressies etc and at this moment in time they are looking promising with the way they are playing and we are starting to see a few getting closer - ayala,kelly,ecclestone ,pacheco.

[bigmick]

Also funds for other players that he wanted were removed - funds that came from the sale of xabi -

To be fair, although it seems very possible we don't know it to be the case that funds were "removed". Purslow did say afterwards that rafa had signed "all his targets" so it's by no means a certainty.

I think you're probably right FWIW, but we don't absolutely know it to be true.

[access]

1. Xabi - at the time he was looking to replace Xabi - Xabi had just suffered two years of poor and below par form - way below the standard we saw when he first arrived so could easily see why he wanted him replaced with someone a bit more consistent - during that summer why wasnt Madrid in for him then when cheaper - because they also prob didnt think he was worth the risk after two years below par .

2.This was the first summer Rafa had total control - bought three players - 1 is a big improvement - 1 is yet to be decided and the final one was obviously a cheap alternative to who he really wanted . Also funds for other players that he wanted were removed - funds that came from the sale of xabi - basically the owners gave him no money to spend this summer . Aquqlini while injured was able to get for that price due to him being inujry and they guy still has a whole career ahead of him - lets not forgot gerrard suffered a fair number of injuries during the early stages of his career - you onl.y have to look at the reaction of the senior roma players and fans to aqualinis departure .

3. This if the first season Rafa has had total control on the youth ressies etc and at this moment in time they are looking promising with the way they are playing and we are starting to see a few getting closer - ayala,kelly,ecclestone ,pacheco.

I take your points matey,

And you are probably right but what about my other concerns?

You may pave over 3 cracks but another 4 or 5 are always there.

[Benny The Noon]

Well a very good source - yes i know we all have them etc has told me and understand its been backed up by many that the money from xabi going was going to be spent on silva and turner or shawcross with valencia willing to deal and hull willing to deal but the money went to pay off loan money instead - also a deal for a cheap very experienced striker ( supposedly gudjohnsen or martins) was in the making with the money being used from the voronin deal to berlin ( 3 mil ) but rafa knew he wouldnt get that money so deal for voronin was stopped.