bigmick wrote:Igor Zidane wrote:bigmick wrote:The old "add ons". More nonsense is talked on these forms these days about the old "add ons" than anything else. When you agree to buy a player and it's 5 million down, plus five million per season for two more seasons then you are paying 15 million quid for him. You can't send him back after the first season and say, "you know what, we don't want him anymore". You can sell him back at a huge loss (as in the Keane scenario) but you can't just give him back and not be liable.
In Aquilani's case, the "common knowledge"/speculation was that he was going to cost 5 million per season for three seasons plus an additional million per season should we qualify for the Champions League, plus appearance bonuses etc etc. I suppose there is a chance we might miss out on paying a Champions League add on this season as it's turning out, but whichever way you look at it it's 18-20 million quid.
Many many transfers are paid in installments, not just ours. Equally, if we spend 20 million next season andpeople start talking about "plus 16 million in add ons for various previous purchases" it just gets silly. 18-20 million quid for Aquilani, take your pick.
No mick the add ons are dependant on appearances , roma published it themselves . So if Aquilani stay's fit and is doing well for himself and the club .Roma get the dosh all in installments over the legnth of his contract . So up to now we have payed £5 million for this player ,no more no less. Glen johnson cost £17 million ,so we pay pompey £9 million i think cos the rest they owe us from the crouch deal . Madrid paid £30 million for Alonso upfront that was the deal .
The point being that , we have not seen the money recouped from our sales (don't forget alonso was'nt the only sale ) ploughed back into the team . If you don't like it mick that's fair enough , but you shouldn't dispell it as nonsense . I'm sure Rafa wishes it was nonsense and he actually had that money to spend on players.
Well the truth is that none of us really know without seeing the contract. I had a quick look this is from LFC online, and apparently the article from Roma confirms it:
The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:
- 4 cash instalments of
- - 5 million EURO upfront
- - 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- - 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- - 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.
Further Add ons include:
- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15
- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearancs, 70 appearances, 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.
- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.
- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.
Details can be found here (for those fluent in Italian) - http://www.asroma.it/UserFiles/988.pdf
So if I'm reading that right, the main bulk of the transfer fee isn't dependent on appearances. We've already paid 5 million Euro (quite a lot at todays exchange rates), we have to pay 3 million more in January, and 7 million more at the end of the season. Then we have to pay a further 5 million at the end of next season. No mention of appearances in that bit, they come in the "add ons" afterwards.
If we qualify for the Champions League each year, they get a further 1.2 million, plus another million Euro if he makes 140 appearances.
All told it would make it about 22 millkion Euro or so, which without getting my calculator out probably explains why they've called it around 18 million quid.
Sorry, speaking of "add ons", I didn't put the link in. Its here
http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=91854
Like i said THE ADD ONS ,were dependant on appearances.