Liverpool FC Forum

[bigmick]

It's not just about them Baz, there's other teams in it as well. Anyway without getting into the why's and the wherefores and the "do you mind if I don'ts", suffice to say I've given it a bit of thought and looked at who has played who etc etc. It's not to say i'm right though, so lets forget about it because here it isn't important.

What I mean to say is, IF we don't end up winning it, we've got to do absolutely everything we can to make sure they don't either.

[Dazzer]

I say that without even a trace of irony.

lol i can smell irony from 11,000 miles and that buddy was pretty pungent.

Not at all. My point is that if you decide you've had enough of the manager, it should be a considered decision you reach over a period of time, not a reaction because we've lost a couple of matches. People saying "sack him now" and such like is just daft, knee jerk stuff.

Ultimately whoever you think should be the manager, people should try and wish for what is best for the club. Fairly obviously at this moment in time, at this juncture, what is best for the club is leaving the man in charge. Should we go out oif Europe, out of the Cups and by the wayside in the league that might change, but even then you have to consider who amongst likely candidates is actually out of work.

I'm not a Benitez fan and haven't been for some time (as you know) but I do want whats best for the club. Right now that is him staying and us getting things going, we re-assess at the end of the season.

Yeah for me its been last 2 seasons alot of things not just 4 defeats I don't do knee jerks but when I lose faith in something its pretty much gone.

[Number 9]

It's not just about them Baz, there's other teams in it as well. Anyway without getting into the why's and the wherefores and the "do you mind if I don'ts", suffice to say I've given it a bit of thought and looked at who has played who etc etc. It's not to say i'm right though, so lets forget about it because here it isn't important.

What I mean to say is, IF we don't end up winning it, we've got to do absolutely everything we can to make sure they don't either.

I really dont agree...I think City and Spurs are in Honeymoon periods,in fact I know they are.As for Villa,they are the most schizophrenic team in the EPL,they have a purple patch then sooner or later in a season they cannot beat their granny and it all falls to fu'ck..UEFA cup team.Spurs are punching above  their weight,City have a manager and a pack of players who are playing on adrenaline rather than instruction...soon they will seek direction,its not there!


No mate I'd bet my dog that we will finish in the top 4!
Its all a bit early in the season to be worrying about the end considering all present realities regardless of which side of the fence one resides(BTW i dont see or like the fecking fence).Bit too early for concentrating on making sure UTD dont win the League....throw the towel in now and ya might have nothing to wipe your face with in the 12th round while your opponent lies on the floor with a towel,wipes his eyes and gets up and punches ya down!

How many gam,es have we played???
How many rounds?

[Judge]

Do yourself a favour and get back to noshing off Fergie.

Simpleton.

lando mate - if we lose against the mancs, not draw even, but lose, then i feel rafa will lose his job

the start has been atrocious. And he has the all convincing backing from the owners, and we all know where that leads to in the not to distant future

[cpc4eva]

ive backed rafa all along i like him and think hes a good bloke but im wavering now and i feel its time for him to go but the catch 22 is who would replace him is there anyone who is capable of turning things around with the playing list and having a crack at the title or a few cups and most probably the answer is no ....

its not just the losses that are making me feel its time for rafa to go its more to do with how he has handled players and made team selections and they way the team plays.


given away crouch, bellamy, keane, alonso just to name a few

except for alonso why couldnt rafa get the best out of them ?
they all wanted to play for LFC but rafa kept tinkering and making changes. some games they played others they wouldnt im sure as a player it would be disheartening not having the manager instill belief and trust in you as a player 

greats like shanks, paisley, kenny would have got the best out of them


i always have had this feeling that rafa doesnt make players feel wanted or excited about being part of liverpool fc he just doesnt have the carisma of shanks and astutness of paisley, rafa comes off too cold hearted too cold blooded doesnt seem to be a people person doesnt seem to know how to put the fire in the belly as shankly did, rafa seems more and more of a bean counter

i dont know what goes through rafa's brain when it comes to team selections and making player substitutes...  so often we wonder why the hell did he do that or why didnt this player start.... it drives us crazy and confuses us all we've all shaken our heads in disgust and we just need to look at our results under his reign yep we have had good wins but the draws and loses have mounted the draws cost us the title last season which we really should have won having scored more than anyone and beating chelsea and man u twice.

just too much tinkering and changing the team around, not selecting the best available players, subbing the wrong players, subbing players too late into the game, only playing one striker up front in 4-5-1 we need to play 4-4-2 or 4-2-4

i hate seeing torres getting smashed all the time by defenders he needs a partner to play one twos with (just like toshak and keegan) who will take defenders away from him  and free him up give him space and make defenders actually think where is the ball going instead of knowing its always going to torres

i know many on here dont rate babel but for the life of me i cant understand why rafa doesnt use him as a regular starter we need him to feel part of the team and give us options on the wing make us play wide out thus dragging defenders away from midfield

right now im having a hard time as to whether carra is done and we shouldnt have let big sammi go our defence is a shambles right now probably worst ive seen for some time

and what the hell does rafa see in lucas

[Number 9]

Do yourself a favour and get back to noshing off Fergie.

Simpleton.

lando mate - if we lose against the mancs, not draw even, but lose, then i feel rafa will lose his job

the start has been atrocious. And he has the all convincing backing from the owners, and we all know where that leads to in the not to distant future

Good post Judge ya homo!!

[neil]

ive backed rafa all along i like him and think hes a good bloke but im wavering now and i feel its time for him to go but the catch 22 is who would replace him is there anyone who is capable of turning things around with the playing list and having a crack at the title or a few cups and most probably the answer is no ....

its not just the losses that are making me feel its time for rafa to go its more to do with how he has handled players and made team selections and they way the team plays.


given away crouch, bellamy, keane, alonso just to name a few

except for alonso why couldnt rafa get the best out of them ?
they all wanted to play for LFC but rafa kept tinkering and making changes. some games they played others they wouldnt im sure as a player it would be disheartening not having the manager instill belief and trust in you as a player 

greats like shanks, paisley, kenny would have got the best out of them


i always have had this feeling that rafa doesnt make players feel wanted or excited about being part of liverpool fc he just doesnt have the carisma of shanks and astutness of paisley, rafa comes off too cold hearted too cold blooded doesnt seem to be a people person doesnt seem to know how to put the fire in the belly as shankly did, rafa seems more and more of a bean counter

i dont know what goes through rafa's brain when it comes to team selections and making player substitutes...  so often we wonder why the hell did he do that or why didnt this player start.... it drives us crazy and confuses us all we've all shaken our heads in disgust and we just need to look at our results under his reign yep we have had good wins but the draws and loses have mounted the draws cost us the title last season which we really should have won having scored more than anyone and beating chelsea and man u twice.

just too much tinkering and changing the team around, not selecting the best available players, subbing the wrong players, subbing players too late into the game, only playing one striker up front in 4-5-1 we need to play 4-4-2 or 4-2-4

i hate seeing torres getting smashed all the time by defenders he needs a partner to play one twos with (just like toshak and keegan) who will take defenders away from him  and free him up give him space and make defenders actually think where is the ball going instead of knowing its always going to torres

i know many on here dont rate babel but for the life of me i cant understand why rafa doesnt use him as a regular starter we need him to feel part of the team and give us options on the wing make us play wide out thus dragging defenders away from midfield

right now im having a hard time as to whether carra is done and we shouldnt have let big sammi go our defence is a shambles right now probably worst ive seen for some time

and what the hell does rafa see in lucas

agreed, fabulous post. The man management re alonso beggers belief. If we brought Mourinho in- we would win the league next term, we all know that, in fact I reckon Kenny would have a shout aswell.

[BONSEY]

I dont use forums often....just joined been a red since birth.

The club is in turmoil from top down and whilst not a huge fan of Rafa will sacking him improve things?   The Club gave him a huge contract, this would need paying up and then its the rest of Rafa's staff as he has installed his staff through the Club.   In that respect it would not be the daparture of 1 man and the effects could harm the club even more - how many more years would it take to rebuild?

Is Raffa doing a good job?   The squad last season pushed hard despite both Gerrard and Torres missing alot of games, but did weakened teams during home matches ultimarely cost as the Premiership?  Did he build upon the Squad this year from the near £40m spent?

Reflect on players sold in last 2 years and compare to them to players brought in - ignore the financial aspect but player for player:
Sell Risse - we get Dossena, but then Insua gets the nod as Aeralio always injured - 
Hyppia departs - left with inconsistant Skirtel, injury prone Agger so then splash cash on Greek Kryiagos??
Sell Arbelloa after excellent season - Johnson is a good signing but injury prone Degen only cover..
Alonso departs late in Summer - After months the decision was taken to sell after his best season for us - due to Managers public pursuit of Barry but despit Barry being available Raffa then gambles on an injury prone Italian - has many Italians done well in Premiership?
Keane - Pay over the odds for a missing link - only to realise he's not really that link...canned him few months in and still not replaced him - oops we brought back unwanted Vorinin and persists playing Stevie G in a hole;
Crouch sold - we got ngog;

Raffa's squad has had high numbers of ins & outs...it is his squad, not many fans can can name the 1st XI and its doubtful if Raffa knows his best XI but whilst the team selections can be debated this is a squad he has assembled?   Perhaps if he put Gerrard into his best position to give the creativity needed in central midfield he has options to put in the hole - benyoun / kyut.  The Liverpool central midfield is not strong enough and in hard games we have lost this key area.

Raffa has dug his own hole but its a hole that can have a catastrophic effect on the Club if they sack him as the Club allowed him to dictate in all areas....a conundrum - that the Americans wont solve !!!

[Emerald Red]

We "splashed cash" on Kryiagos? Splashed? We practically raided the penny jar for him.

[Reg]

Question:

If Shanks and Paisley were still alive, would they sack Rafa?

I think not.

[Dazzer]

Well now that I have vented my fustrations I am willing to put it behind me and support Rafa the team untill we part our ways.Every knows my points and I will leave it at that.Any way deep down I know there is bigger fish to fry in the short term and that is G@H as they are in my eyes a bigger problem atm.So roll on sunday if all goes well maybe just maybe those two di.ck heads will get the idea and fook off for ever.O and we might just get a good win on top.

[Dazzer]

Question:

If Shanks and Paisley were still alive, would they sack Rafa?

I think not.

I dunno how you could know that ?

Tbph I think shankly would sack him take the management spot and win us the CL prem FA cup and then just smile as Fergies head explodes. 

[Rush Job]

Friend - I'm going to make this really simple for you.

Your argument: "We should replace Rafa Benitez with Peter Reid, Harry Redknapp, Martin Jol, etc."

Have you not grasped the fact that your argument is far too poor to bother countering? If you function at that level of stupidity I'm not sure I can condescend sufficiently to converse in a way you might understand.

I get the feeling that I should get a particularly slow toddler to translate my words into a form you might be able to decipher (Bright colours, swirly things and such...). Of course, that would require your mind to reach the very limit of it's abilities and you would need to employ the aid of several brain surgeons, NASA and every Nobel Prize winner since old Alfred popped his clogs. (Are you any good with resurrection?)

Reading your posts is, at times, like reading the diaries of a failed suicide bomber - 3 days after having 80% of his head blown away by his own inadequate explosion: The strikingly similar wrist-slitting reflections, the over-reactionary factually-incorrect ranting and the small but telling stains of dribble on the page. To make matters worse, your "buddies" pat you on the back and encourage even more rot to come out of your sparsely-populated cranium.

Tell me - how can anyone debate with an idiot who has made his little mind up? A pointless punk lacking all perspicacity is no use to anyone.

So - you want a debate; I personally think you need a nurse to wipe your chin and put you down for a nice nap.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Question:

If Shanks and Paisley were still alive, would they sack Rafa?

I think not.

Reg, I normally like your posts, but please...

Shankley and Paisley where in a total different league to Rafa, I reckon Shanks wouldn't have sacked him as he would never had let him in the club in the first place

However the world has changed, I am in 2 minds, I really like Rafa but his faults annoy me so much, and what is more annoying is that a few changes in his management style could well make all the difference... but will he change? No he won't

[Igor Zidane]

Question:

If Shanks and Paisley were still alive, would they sack Rafa?

I think not.

Reg, I normally like your posts, but please...

Shankley and Paisley where in a total different league to Rafa, I reckon Shanks wouldn't have sacked him as he would never had let him in the club in the first place

However the world has changed, I am in 2 minds, I really like Rafa but his faults annoy me so much, and what is more annoying is that a few changes in his management style could well make all the difference... but will he change? No he won't

So you reckon shanks and paisley never made mistakes . Never bought bad players , never made the wrong sub or tactical mistakes.

They would have backed rafa to the hilt because rafa has this cub running through his viens ,just like they did . We can see that , they would have seen that .