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by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:49 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:Barry both as a CM and as a LM has a good record of both assists and goals, certainly a better record than Riera ! So who has a better record and is available for under £20million?

And if you think that Gerrard has only played left mid for us once you have a very short memory mate.

downing for one - capel for another . both proper left sided players not players who play there on the odd occasions - like barry .

and remind when else gerrard played left for us .

not even close mate

Barry last 3 seasons (inc this one) 17 goals 16 assists

Downing last 3 seasons (inc this one) 11goals 14 assists

Capel 3 goals

and barry did his from the centre of the park including all of villas penalties . stats never tell the whole story im afraid just like you tube .

barry would cost us 18 mil plus - not worth it

downing 10 mil - much better moneys worth

capel - around 10 mil

both downing and vapel would provide width pace and creativity from the left hand side of the picth - something barry wouldnt .

by **Effes** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:51 pm

But then Arshavin would be better than any of them

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:54 pm

Effes wrote:But then Arshavin would be better than any of them

he would be but seems to be costing well over 20 odd million and for someone around 28 years old and not sure if would work in the prem would be a risk i dont think we can afford - plus he isnt really a wide plaayer - more of a second striker , creator .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:04 pm

His record of assists from Left mid was just as impressive, and he still scored plenty of goals too. Its not all about pace, it helps if you can pass, tackle, head and have good football intelligence too, all of which Barry has in abundance.

Gonzales was fast.......

Downing is not fast mate, since his injury he has lost his pace and he was never fast to begin with. I have no idea of Capel never seen him play but his record isn't very impressive (which is all I have to go on) 3 goals in 38 games ?

by **JC_81** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:07 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:But barry cant play wide left - so would be wasted 18 mil for another cm . only reason t get barry is if we got the exact same money we would spend on barry for xabi - if xabi stays no need for barry and definatly not for a wide left role .

Barry has played more at Left midfield than he has in a central midfield role..... his first cap for England was also as a left midfielder. So who's to say where and in what role Rafa would play him ? He is a good player in both positions and would have added to our quality (imo).

Sorry mate, have to completely disagree with you on this one.

Barry played as a left back, left wing back and left of a back 3 for Villa up until a few seasons ago. Obviously since O'Neil went there he has been a central midfielder.

When has he ever played consistently as a left midfielder?

More importantly, if he had, then why has every England manager completely overlooked him for left midfield despite a complete lack of left sided English talent? Wouldn't say much for his credentials as a left midfielder.

I just don't buy into this myth that Barry would be a decent option for left midfield. It's not his position, never has been.

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:14 pm

s@int wrote:His record of assists from Left mid was just as impressive, and he still scored plenty of goals too. Its not all about pace, it helps if you can pass, tackle, head and have good football intelligence too, all of which Barry has in abundance.

Gonzales was fast.......

Downing is not fast mate, since his injury he has lost his pace and he was never fast to begin with. I have no idea of Capel never seen him play but his record isn't very impressive (which is all I have to go on) 3 goals in 38 games ?

when did he play left mid on a consistent basis then cause it wasnt for villa as last season was young season before was milner ??!?! and like i say most of his golas come from the penalty spot not many from open play . downing is a lot quicker than barry and more creative out wide and puts a better ball in the box - capel is an up and coming young star who will only get better - like i say stats dont show the whole picture every time

by **Alonso14** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:21 pm

Champagne taste, beer money.

by **The Specialist** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:49 pm

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:Barry both as a CM and as a LM has a good record of both assists and goals, certainly a better record than Riera ! So who has a better record and is available for under £20million?

And if you think that Gerrard has only played left mid for us once you have a very short memory mate.

downing for one - capel for another . both proper left sided players not players who play there on the odd occasions - like barry .

and remind when else gerrard played left for us .

not even close mate

Barry last 3 seasons (inc this one) 17 goals 16 assists

Downing last 3 seasons (inc this one) 11goals 14 assists

Capel 3 goals

and barry did his from the centre of the park including all of villas penalties . stats never tell the whole story im afraid just like you tube .

barry would cost us 18 mil plus - not worth it

downing 10 mil - much better moneys worth

capel - around 10 mil

both downing and vapel would provide width pace and creativity from the left hand side of the picth - something barry wouldnt .

How are you able to spout prices, like you are talking about fact?

It's silly.

I highly doubt either Downing or Capel would cost around 10 million.

1. Spurs tried to sign Capel. They couldn't. They reportedly offered double figures.

2. Downing is English, has played for England. I believe clubs have come in with 10 million bids before..

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:50 pm

s@int wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
s@int wrote:How will Babel ever get a game on the right when we have Kuyt playing there?

drop Kuyt to right back

How would we ever win the league without Kuyts goals though

at least he will be much nearer to one of the penalty boxes as a rightback.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:51 pm

Take your pick
Barry Downing

GOALS GOALS
2004/5 - 7 5
2005/6 - 3 1
2006/07- 8 2
2007/8 - 9 9

Stats don't show the whole picture but they do help to back up the opinion of Rafa who obviously thought Barry was ideal ,while Parry thought Downing was a better buy..... who's judgement do you back ?

As for Capel ..... one season of regular first team football ? I have never seen him play but I think he would be too big a gamble , especially as it seems Rafa is going for proven experienced players for the first team this season.

by **ConnO'var** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:10 am

Espanyol give Riera 72 hours to join Liverpool - Soccernet

Espanyol winger Albert Riera has been told by his club he has 72 hours to finalise his move to Liverpool. The Spaniard failed to impress in the Premiership first time around. The club's official website appeared to confirm Rafael Benitez's side were in pole position to sign the Spaniard after revealing talks between Espanyol and Liverpool were 'going well'. Reports on Tuesday claimed Liverpool had reached a deal with the Barcelona-based side to sign Riera in an £8million deal, but Espanyol sporting director Paco Herrera insisted there were still some issues to be cleared up before a move could be completed.

'This is a sensitive time, and we need to make sure we reach a solution one way or another,' he said. 'Everything is going well and a deal can be reached. The differences we have are ones we can solve and in the next two or three days there has to be a solution because there is no more time.'

On Monday, club president Daniel Sanchez Llibre revealed two unnamed English clubs had bid for the player, with one side offering more money than the other. The club offering the higher bid is believed to be Everton, but Herrera confirmed on Monday that Riera was more interested in joining the side offering the lower bid. Benitez revealed Liverpool were in negotiations to buy Riera but that no agreement on fee and contract has yet been reached.
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Hopefully this one doesn't drag out like the Gareth Barry Affair.

by **matrix** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:30 am

parry was in barcalona last night to tie the deal up, he's meant to be returning with parry today for a medical, but that depends on how the talks went last night... should be a liverpool player by friday.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:25 am

Let's hope this guy gets here as soon as possible, cause I don't think I could stand watching Benayoun on the left wing again.

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:08 am

after last night i just want a left sided option if thats reira then so be it and hope the lad does well - bring him on on the left and put babel in the hole while gerrard is out and have kuyt play in the advanced right position or even babel (yes changed my mind ) and have kuyt sitting behind torres as it seemed to work well and see if we can take keane back to spurs and get 20 mil back ( is he still under guarentee

) and then buy a real quality wide player to go with reira to give us options all over .

by **tubby** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:30 am

CGGY you sounded quite confident Barry would be a LFC player by this weekend. Wtf happened?

Anyway I wouldnt mind milner, at least hes English but anyone should be better than what we have right now.

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