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by **account deleted by request** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:36 pm

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:But barry cant play wide left - so would be wasted 18 mil for another cm . only reason t get barry is if we got the exact same money we would spend on barry for xabi - if xabi stays no need for barry and definatly not for a wide left role .

Barry has played more at Left midfield than he has in a central midfield role..... his first cap for England was also as a left midfielder. So who's to say where and in what role Rafa would play him ? He is a good player in both positions and would have added to our quality (imo).

barry has spent the best part of the last 18 months - two seasons playing as a cm player for villa , before that he was a left mid but wasnt that good before that a lb and before that a cb - its only when he has moved to cntre he has looked decent - and barry playing lm for england means nothing - they played gerrard there .

So has Rafa !

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:42 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:But barry cant play wide left - so would be wasted 18 mil for another cm . only reason t get barry is if we got the exact same money we would spend on barry for xabi - if xabi stays no need for barry and definatly not for a wide left role .

Barry has played more at Left midfield than he has in a central midfield role..... his first cap for England was also as a left midfielder. So who's to say where and in what role Rafa would play him ? He is a good player in both positions and would have added to our quality (imo).

barry has spent the best part of the last 18 months - two seasons playing as a cm player for villa , before that he was a left mid but wasnt that good before that a lb and before that a cb - its only when he has moved to cntre he has looked decent - and barry playing lm for england means nothing - they played gerrard there .

So has Rafa !

once last year against arsenal when he played crocuh in a 442 and it didnt work so moved himback to the centre and moved torres out left . need someone to play consistenly on the left at a high standard to give us creativity , width, pace , attacking intent - barry isnt the person to do this and im glad his tranfers seems dead .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:51 pm

Barry both as a CM and as a LM has a good record of both assists and goals, certainly a better record than Riera ! So who has a better record and is available for under £20million?

And if you think that Gerrard has only played left mid for us once you have a very short memory mate.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:24 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:Wow ! There's a mouthful...
I gotta say mate, I'm not going to pick through what I think (!) is your justification for the valuation on Barry's head. Personally, and I think this is backed up by pundits across all media in the UK and Ireland, we categorically do not need him in CM. Everyone - to a T - is saying we need wide midfielders. We need width, and more importantly, we need pace on the wings. We need players who can beat a player and whip a ball in. When is the last time we had that ? Rafa is focused almost the point of OCD on more and more CM's, GK's and the odd defender thrown in for good measure.
Why ? Why is he the only manager and expert in the game who can't see what everybody else can tell from 30,000 feet ?
On your points about the board interfering, nay *deciding*, who the manager can or cannot sign, I agree with most of what you say. But combined over the years - and I'm not weighing up purchases vs. sales here, there have been some pretty awful decisions made. I can't remember the last time I saw a ball whipped in at pace from the wings. Much as I am loathe to admit it, witness Hansen and Lawro on the Beeb last weekend, and their pointing out the fact that everything went through/over the middle of the park. WTF is that all about ?

For the record, I don't think Barry is worth £18m. I'm making the point that it should (have) be(en) Rafa's decision as to whether we signed him - assuming the fee fell within an agreed budget. If we simply didn't have the money, fair enough, but let the guy know so we don't end up fecking about for months on end trying to reach a compromise with the uncompromisable.

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:24 pm

s@int wrote:Barry both as a CM and as a LM has a good record of both assists and goals, certainly a better record than Riera ! So who has a better record and is available for under £20million?

And if you think that Gerrard has only played left mid for us once you have a very short memory mate.

downing for one - capel for another . both proper left sided players not players who play there on the odd occasions - like barry .

and remind when else gerrard played left for us .

by **LFC2007** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:28 pm

Chelsea away.

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:32 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Chelsea away.

last season ? was it a success ?

by **LFC2007** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:34 pm

I think it was last season or the season before, but he definitely started on the left against Arsenal at home in the Champions League.

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:38 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I think it was last season, and he definitely started on the left against Arsenal at home in the Champions League.

yeah i know he definatly started on the left against arsenal to enable us to go 442 to bring in crouch to play up front with torres and babel dropping to the bench but that lasted 20 mins before they moved torres out left and gerrard back behind the striker as it wasnt working . think remember the game against chelsea your talking a out when ballack got sent off and we played pennant right and gerrard left - so really only two games with niether a success with him playing left

by **Ciggy** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:42 pm

Milner, SWP, Downing or Riera?

by **Effes** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:44 pm

Milner was quite good for Newcastle last night - admittedly against Coventry like.

He's just put in a transfer request.

by **GOAT_2.0** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:44 pm

Ciggy wrote:Milner, SWP, Downing or Riera?

Oh dear god, none please

by **GYBS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:45 pm

Ciggy wrote:Milner, SWP, Downing or Riera?

downing then milner - maybe even both

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:45 pm

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:Barry both as a CM and as a LM has a good record of both assists and goals, certainly a better record than Riera ! So who has a better record and is available for under £20million?

And if you think that Gerrard has only played left mid for us once you have a very short memory mate.

downing for one - capel for another . both proper left sided players not players who play there on the odd occasions - like barry .

and remind when else gerrard played left for us .

not even close mate

Barry last 3 seasons (inc this one) 17 goals 16 assists

Downing last 3 seasons (inc this one) 11goals 14 assists

Capel 3 goals

by **Ciggy** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:49 pm

GOAT_2.0 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Milner, SWP, Downing or Riera?

Oh dear god, none please

Well one of them is coming

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