TAKEOVER COMPLETE - H & G Finally Jibbed!
by god_bless_john_houlding » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:04 pm
I know for a fact this won't go down well and it's not what I want either really BUT...who's to say Benitez going isn't the best thing. Bare with me, the yanks never wanted him in the first place which is why Klinsmann was singled out. Transfers and everything else are either being put on hold or taking a 
age. Maybe the yanks don't want to give money to Benitez, that's why it's like this. Maybe their appointed manager would be given the money and everything would be rosey.
I doubt it, but it may happen. I'd rather the lot of them went personally, yanks, Parry and Benitez and we started from scratch with a new management side of things. Anybody in their right mind could get Liverpool fourth with that current set of players without spending a penny. What we need is a manager (gary johnson
) who can take us that step further in the league. Benitez can't take us any further in the league IMO, but no doubt we'll win the european cup this year, we'll all be told he's a genius again and we'll be banging on about Moscow five years down the line when his job becomes under threat again.
But if any of them stay than it would have to be Benitez. New owner may give him the open cheque book so many are crying out for and then he'd of had his five years and we can see where we are then.
age. Maybe the yanks don't want to give money to Benitez, that's why it's like this. Maybe their appointed manager would be given the money and everything would be rosey.I doubt it, but it may happen. I'd rather the lot of them went personally, yanks, Parry and Benitez and we started from scratch with a new management side of things. Anybody in their right mind could get Liverpool fourth with that current set of players without spending a penny. What we need is a manager (gary johnson
) who can take us that step further in the league. Benitez can't take us any further in the league IMO, but no doubt we'll win the european cup this year, we'll all be told he's a genius again and we'll be banging on about Moscow five years down the line when his job becomes under threat again. But if any of them stay than it would have to be Benitez. New owner may give him the open cheque book so many are crying out for and then he'd of had his five years and we can see where we are then.
1) You'll Never Walk Alone
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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by NANNY RED » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:07 pm
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I know for a fact this won't go down well and it's not what I want either really BUT...who's to say Benitez going isn't the best thing. Bare with me, the yanks never wanted him in the first place which is why Klinsmann was singled out. Transfers and everything else are either being put on hold or taking a
I doubt it, but it may happen. I'd rather the lot of them went personally, yanks, Parry and Benitez and we started from scratch with a new management side of things. Anybody in their right mind could get Liverpool fourth with that current set of players without spending a penny. What we need is a manager (gary johnson
But if any of them stay than it would have to be Benitez. New owner may give him the open cheque book so many are crying out for and then he'd of had his five years and we can see where we are then.
John shut up will yeh
I
love Raffa Benitez and he is the best manager for this club Stop making me old before my time
HE WHO BETRAYS WILL ALWAYS WALK ALONE
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by Ciggy » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:11 pm
From another site.
Dear Mr Hicks,
I read of your letter asking for Mr Parry to resign, and it smacks of hypocrisy and unpleasantness. At the time of the takeover last year, both Mr Moores and Mr Parry highlighted that commercial activity was an area in need of improvement. So either:
1. That has only just sunk in with you after over a year, and I do not believe you are that slow; or
2. You are just using Liverpool Football Club to further your own ends, and with no interest in the well-being of the club, the staff and the fans.
So let us examine your own record:
Commercial
So far you have caused both a loss of revenue and an increase in costs expected to be borne by the club, with the potential for further lost revenue from your latest action:
- Lost Revenue: the delay of over a year in starting construction of the new stadium has lost the club (at a conservative estimate) £25m of revenue.
- Increased Cost: the fact that you expect Liverpool Football Club to fund the £245m of loans to Kop Holdings supporting the purchase price is costing the club (say) £15m pa.
- Potential Lost Revenue: if your latest attempt at management, a month before the end of the season, with this year's Champions League there to be won and next year's qualification still to be secured, distracts from matters on the pitch, then the club could lose a further £5m this year and (say) £15m next year.
In summary, despite you appointing a Commercial Director some time ago to look after commercial matters for Mr Parry (and I presume that is also the person you would seek to put into Mr Parry's job if he chose to resign), you have cost the club £40m so far, with substantial further amounts still to come. I would be delighted to hear from any fans who have noticed any material improvement in commercial activity since your arrival and appointment of a Commercial Director, as I am a heavy "consumer" of all things Liverpool and have yet to see any change. Of course, I have yet to see the ticket prices for next season!
I also understand that your venture capital firm (Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst) invested in Corinthians in Brazil in the late 1990s, and has since made a less-than-glorious exit.
Relationship with the manager
I doubt very much that your actions, all played out in the media, are helping provide the stability and general environment that players want to come into, so it is no great surprise if signings slip through the net. And let us not forget that you are the person who wanted to replace a manager who has now taken us to 3 Champions League semi-finals in 4 years with one who has never managed a club side!
General (Alleged) Behaviour
Quite apart from all that, there are rumours circulating on Merseyside that suggest one of your son's party was so drunk they had to be carried out of the boardroom after one game! I do not know whether or not there is any truth in the rumour, but this is not something we need at Liverpool Football Club.
Summary / Conclusion
So when I step back and look at the big picture, it seems to me that the person who should be resigning is you.
I ask you to find the quickest route out so that Liverpool Football Club can focus on the many things needed in order for the club to move forward.
I would also ask:
- Media: to spread the word across the globe, to make sure that no other clubs / "sporting franchises" suffer the same fate;
- Banks: to be aware of the risks of lending to any part of the Hicks Holdings group;
- Investors: to think carefully about how credible the business plans of Hicks Holdings are, in the light of your track record to date; and
- Liverpool fans: to express their opinions to you, and to anyone involved with the media, banks and investors, in a way that does not distract attention away from activity on the pitch at this critical time of the season. For the avoidance of doubt, I do not condone, and will not tolerate, death threats, acts of physical violence, or any other form of illegal action.
Yours.
Stephen Bridges
Dear Mr Hicks,
I read of your letter asking for Mr Parry to resign, and it smacks of hypocrisy and unpleasantness. At the time of the takeover last year, both Mr Moores and Mr Parry highlighted that commercial activity was an area in need of improvement. So either:
1. That has only just sunk in with you after over a year, and I do not believe you are that slow; or
2. You are just using Liverpool Football Club to further your own ends, and with no interest in the well-being of the club, the staff and the fans.
So let us examine your own record:
Commercial
So far you have caused both a loss of revenue and an increase in costs expected to be borne by the club, with the potential for further lost revenue from your latest action:
- Lost Revenue: the delay of over a year in starting construction of the new stadium has lost the club (at a conservative estimate) £25m of revenue.
- Increased Cost: the fact that you expect Liverpool Football Club to fund the £245m of loans to Kop Holdings supporting the purchase price is costing the club (say) £15m pa.
- Potential Lost Revenue: if your latest attempt at management, a month before the end of the season, with this year's Champions League there to be won and next year's qualification still to be secured, distracts from matters on the pitch, then the club could lose a further £5m this year and (say) £15m next year.
In summary, despite you appointing a Commercial Director some time ago to look after commercial matters for Mr Parry (and I presume that is also the person you would seek to put into Mr Parry's job if he chose to resign), you have cost the club £40m so far, with substantial further amounts still to come. I would be delighted to hear from any fans who have noticed any material improvement in commercial activity since your arrival and appointment of a Commercial Director, as I am a heavy "consumer" of all things Liverpool and have yet to see any change. Of course, I have yet to see the ticket prices for next season!
I also understand that your venture capital firm (Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst) invested in Corinthians in Brazil in the late 1990s, and has since made a less-than-glorious exit.
Relationship with the manager
I doubt very much that your actions, all played out in the media, are helping provide the stability and general environment that players want to come into, so it is no great surprise if signings slip through the net. And let us not forget that you are the person who wanted to replace a manager who has now taken us to 3 Champions League semi-finals in 4 years with one who has never managed a club side!
General (Alleged) Behaviour
Quite apart from all that, there are rumours circulating on Merseyside that suggest one of your son's party was so drunk they had to be carried out of the boardroom after one game! I do not know whether or not there is any truth in the rumour, but this is not something we need at Liverpool Football Club.
Summary / Conclusion
So when I step back and look at the big picture, it seems to me that the person who should be resigning is you.
I ask you to find the quickest route out so that Liverpool Football Club can focus on the many things needed in order for the club to move forward.
I would also ask:
- Media: to spread the word across the globe, to make sure that no other clubs / "sporting franchises" suffer the same fate;
- Banks: to be aware of the risks of lending to any part of the Hicks Holdings group;
- Investors: to think carefully about how credible the business plans of Hicks Holdings are, in the light of your track record to date; and
- Liverpool fans: to express their opinions to you, and to anyone involved with the media, banks and investors, in a way that does not distract attention away from activity on the pitch at this critical time of the season. For the avoidance of doubt, I do not condone, and will not tolerate, death threats, acts of physical violence, or any other form of illegal action.
Yours.
Stephen Bridges
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by Anfield rapper » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:11 pm
Anfield rapper wrote:metalhead wrote:maguskwt wrote:metalhead wrote:so any news yet on the meeting?
yeah... rafa went in and opened fire...
Al Pacino style
He should go in De niro style with a baseball bat and put Hicks face in his soup.
Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73EPp81C97M&feature=related
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by god_bless_john_houlding » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:12 pm
Gerrard "it's not for the players to be focusing about" yet when we were in that slump in mid January Gerrard said "the ongoings off the pitch are affecting the players" bloody hell Stevie should be on here with opinions like that.
Just like all those who blamed the slump on the yanks, but now we're winning again, despite still being tormented by the bollox off the pitch. So why isn't it affecting us now?
bloody hell Stevie should be on here with opinions like that. Just like all those who blamed the slump on the yanks, but now we're winning again, despite still being tormented by the bollox off the pitch. So why isn't it affecting us now?
1) You'll Never Walk Alone
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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by Kharhaz » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:18 pm
Link 1 was Arsene Wenger
Link 2 was more interesting. Rafa. Good to see the players getting on with things. This is what rafa is up against. He has to keep the players focussed on the matches, and as supporters so must we. Whatever we say or do, we have more influence on the team then we do the men with money and no wits.
Bill Shankly: “I was the best manager in Britain because I was never devious or cheated anyone. I’d break my wife’s legs if I played against her, but I’d never cheat her.”
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by god_bless_john_houlding » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:18 pm
NANNY RED wrote:god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I know for a fact this won't go down well and it's not what I want either really BUT...who's to say Benitez going isn't the best thing. Bare with me, the yanks never wanted him in the first place which is why Klinsmann was singled out. Transfers and everything else are either being put on hold or taking a
I doubt it, but it may happen. I'd rather the lot of them went personally, yanks, Parry and Benitez and we started from scratch with a new management side of things. Anybody in their right mind could get Liverpool fourth with that current set of players without spending a penny. What we need is a manager (gary johnson
But if any of them stay than it would have to be Benitez. New owner may give him the open cheque book so many are crying out for and then he'd of had his five years and we can see where we are then.
John shut up will yeh
I
Stop making me old before my time
1) You'll Never Walk Alone
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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by Ciggy » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:19 pm
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Just like all those who blamed the slump on the yanks, but now we're winning again, despite still being tormented by the bollox off the pitch. So why isn't it affecting us now?
Cause we are getting used to that feckin tw@t mouthing off all the time.
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by LFC2007 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:23 pm
Kharhaz wrote:
Link 1 was Arsene Wenger
Link 2 was more interesting. Rafa. Good to see the players getting on with things. This is what rafa is up against. He has to keep the players focussed on the matches, and as supporters so must we. Whatever we say or do, we have more influence on the team then we do the men with money and no wits.
Link 1 - takes you to all the interviews of the day, including Rafa.
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