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by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:45 pm

I think my problem is more with the fact that by selling to DIC we have no more of a guarantee that the club is safer than with G&H.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:49 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:If the Rafa saga hadn't of happened, would this vitriol exist towards the Americans? I doubt it!

This is like saying had Hitler never invaded Poland and killed a few million jews, would we still all remember him for the monster he was? Surely not, right!

You comparing apples with oranges.

The Rafa saga set alight an issue that never would of been if the situation had been dealt with differently.

If Hitler had never invaded Poland, someone else would of. If you read up on the cause of WWII and the extermination of the Jews, one thing is clear that the Jews had in coming in one way of another eventually.

Orrrrrr...if, they, the owners, had have went about things in a more dignified and business-like manner rather than sneak behind people's backs like the snakes they are.

And Poland would have been invaded by someone else anyway, and they had it coming? Oh dear! :no

by **kalos** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:50 pm

Quote "I think my problem is more with the fact that by selling to DIC we have no more of a guarantee that the club is safer than with G&H. "

SthCS - you cannot be serious Financially there is no contest...

DIC have money to burn ..if they put debt on the club they would be good to pay it if push ever came to shove..Sameer Ansari is a FAN ..that's why he has come back again and agian to this pr-ck and tried to buy us.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:52 pm

Poland was invaded by Russia at the SAME TIME

by **RedBlood** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:53 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:I think my problem is more with the fact that by selling to DIC we have no more of a guarantee that the club is safer than with G&H.

hicks n gillets fortune is buttons compared to what dic have plus the fact their family include massive liverpool fans suggests to me they would takecare of our baby much more then grumpy old men

by **RUSHIE#9** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:53 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:I honestly don't get the whole hate the yanks thing. Yeah the way the handled the Rafa situation was nothing short of disgraceful yet for me there is NO evidence whatsoever that DIC will be in anyway more reliable, more committed or more honest that Gillett and Hicks. For all we know DIC may be more cut-throat in a business sense than G&H, I haven't heard any statement of their intentions if they were to buy the club?

The short of the matter is that you rarely get owners who are as passionate for the club as the fans are, they are born and bred money makers. Selfish as it may seem can you honestly say Moores sold for the good of the club or did he do it due to a temptation to "cash in"?

I personally can't attribute another failed season to G&H, the writing was on the wall way before they arrived. Rafa's tactics have not changed much in the last two seasons. His rotation policy is still here, the only reason he stopped rotating Torres was due to fans pressure FFS!

Hicks is here to stay whether we like it or not, that much is clear form the press releases and stories in the news. Boycotting the match is pathetic and will only serve to impact negatively on the team. All the fans, especially the Kop, seem to sing about these days is the "Get the Yanks" out sh!te. At our best we were singing about team and how good we were week in week out.

Our infamous 12th man is disappearing!

Totally disagree there mate, the fans are the lifeblood of the club . THe reason they a calling for g+h to go ,is that they can see where the club is heading , down the swanny mate.

£30 MILLION of interest payments to find every year , the debt is on the club , we cannot afford that debt . THey haven't spent a penny of there own money , it's all borrowed ,and it's the 12th man that's going to pay the price.

To say the club is heading "down the swanny" is nothing short of knee-jerk. Liverpool FC have seen darker times than this. Need I mention the Souness era and finishing 8th?!!

As hard as it may be we have to avoid making emotionally led opinions and decisions. Putting aside your opinion on Hicks can you honestly say his motive is to sink the club? You talk of the debt that is borrowed against the club. But that is how the world of money works, you borrow money against your assets - it is effectively a mortgage!

No one at all would of been moaning if it wasn't for the Rafa saga over Xmas. We were all chuffed to bits that finally we had money to compete in the league with. If the Rafa saga hadn't of happened, would this vitriol exist towards the Americans? I doubt it!

At the end of the day it is financially wrong to suggest a club like Liverpool with numerous assets (Players, Stadium, "the brand") are going to fold based on valid investment. Not all Millionaires are Roman Ambramovich! You only have to look at the what American investment based on similar financial commitments are achieving successfully at Manchester United.

Your opinion is your own and although I may not support it I do respect it.

I agree that the Rafa/Klinsmann saga was the catalyst for the shit storm that we've been in for the past 3-4 months but it's not just that that has led to the hatred and ultimately the desire to see G&H out of the club. It's all of the lies they have fed us (mostly Hicks) in just 12 months.

The debt thing is why the fears of the club becoming non existent are being voiced so loud. Yes the way the world of finance and business works means that loans and interest are always going to be an unavoidable issue and sugar daddies like Abramovich are virtually extinct. The fact though that they have not used a penny/cent of their own money to buy the club and are now making the club pay for that buyout at an exorbitant rate to an extent were the club will have to gamble on success to compete in the transfer market a la Leeds is why so many of us are now shitting bricks.

The Manc situation is completely different. They already have the stadium in place which helps to sustain such a large debt/interest repayment were as we still have to find another £300-400 million to build the stadium to cover these repayments.The fact that the financing deal taken out in January only runs for 18 months i believe (I may be wrong about that) means that yet another deal at even higher cost to the club will probably have to be taken out by his royal dickship towards the middle of next year. All resulting in less and less funds for team strengthening resulting in less and less success on the pitch and less and less money to pay the debts meaning eventually no Liverpool F.C.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:53 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:If the Rafa saga hadn't of happened, would this vitriol exist towards the Americans? I doubt it!

This is like saying had Hitler never invaded Poland and killed a few million jews, would we still all remember him for the monster he was? Surely not, right!

You comparing apples with oranges.

The Rafa saga set alight an issue that never would of been if the situation had been dealt with differently.

If Hitler had never invaded Poland, someone else would of. If you read up on the cause of WWII and the extermination of the Jews, one thing is clear that the Jews had in coming in one way of another eventually.

Orrrrrr...if, they, the owners, had have went about things in a more dignified and business-like manner rather than sneak behind people's backs like the snakes they are.

And Poland would have been invaded by someone else anyway, and they had it coming? Oh dear!

The stuff about Poland and the Jews isn't my opinion numbnuts! lol

The jewish establishment across europe was causing resentment for centuries, especially so in Germany. German resentment for jews stemmed all the way back to Karl Marx. It just took a character like Hitler to inflame the masses into following a movement like Nazism. Poland was a Jewish hotbed therefore they got invaded.

Next weeks history lesson will be on The Cuban Missile Crisis.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:59 pm

If we go out tomorrow then today's events gives everybody the excuse "it was all down to the owners again"

Still a total disgrace by the yanks. Looks like we're stuck with them, for the time being.

by **Thingy** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:01 pm

Hate that fat big headed money grabbing b.asatrd :veryangry

Please DIC come in with a 500 million offer for the club and get them lying w.ankers out.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:02 pm

metalhead wrote:I really don't think a successful business man would sell his prized assets to refinance his/her loans, they find other ways to do that.

Hicks is a c*nt but not stupid.

Have a look at what he calls his other francises and then you will understand what the :censored:

is capable of

by **whatahitson** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:03 pm

RedBlood wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:I think my problem is more with the fact that by selling to DIC we have no more of a guarantee that the club is safer than with G&H.

hicks n gillets fortune is buttons compared to what dic have plus the fact their family include massive liverpool fans suggests to me they would takecare of our baby much more then grumpy old men

lets put ourselves in DIC's shoes...

We are mega rich, we are liverpool fans, we want to own LFC, we have offered 400 mil, we have been knocked back, will we give up, i think not... DIC will be back, mark my words...

If they did give up then they are not Liverpool fans after all and we dont want any tom DICKS and harry owning OUR club

by **Homebooby** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:03 pm

Ciggy wrote:
username wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
username wrote:The future of the club is nothing if we dont perform. simple as

Wait until he sells, Masch, Torres and Gerrard to pay the loans.

Wait until we finish 5th so we have to do that.

Well with this news its very likely we will finish outside the top 4, with this kunt staying.

That's quite some faith you have in your team their Ciggy.

by **Homebooby** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:07 pm

Is it me, or can this still be interpreted another way:

Quote 1:
I have decided to terminate any further discussions with DIC regarding their possible purchase of a minority stake in Kop and, in turn, in the Club.

Quote 2:

Accordingly, I have decided to exercise my right under the Kop Football (Holdings) Limited partnership agreement to veto any sale of any portion of Kop and the Club to DIC.

Quote 3:

"I and my colleagues and representatives will continue to explore a number of other options with regard to the ownership of Kop and the Club aimed at achieving an appropriate ownership, financial and organizational structure for Kop and the Club over the long term."

Now, where in any of those statements does he rule out selling the whole thing to DIC?

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:08 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:The stuff about Poland and the Jews isn't my opinion numbnuts! lol

.

I know. Bit of a mad comparison. Funny how WW2 always springs to mind when there's two vindictive c*nts being referenced with (H&G, not us two).

Anyway, Hicks is a Hitler!

by **metalhead** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:13 pm

Nanny, I know what he is capable of, but he won't sell players that wins him games and money.

He would be stupid enough to do it really.

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