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by **Scottbot** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:17 pm

Just been reading back through the last few pages of this thread. As far as i can see (and it's just my opinion because i don't live in the city) Liverpool is top of the league when it comes to football gossip and rumours among the fans. It seems to me that an awful lot of stories and rumours spread around the pubs, clubs and work-places within the city and there are plenty of Uncle Alberts about the place. And not just the red half. i've known a couple of Evertonians down this way and they were often telling stroies/rumours about their club (mostly about Duncan Ferguson) as if it was absolute gospel, yet i'd never read/heard a word of it in the press. Fowler alludes to it in his auto-biography, not just the druggie stuff he got labelled with by the blue sh..i..t...e but general stuff like his social life. I've read so much tripe on here and elsewhere online and almost none of it comes/came to pass. Not saying that some of it can't be true, most of us (myself included) rubbished the Klinsman rumours as pure fantasy and looked what happened there.

Don't know if i'm on the money there and guess one of our scouse regulars on here will have to let me know?

by **maguskwt** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:39 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Saint, thanks for posting the info you had , noone is being forced to believe it , it's just abit more info for people to digest and take from it what they want . If people are posting stuff on here in good faith , they should not be castigated for it by Newbies trying to get there post count up . Bellends.

refering to?

since i'm the only one with a post count of less than a thousand involved in this discussion about saint's rumour i suppose that you are refering to me...

so FYI... I got better things to do than try to get my damn post count up in an internet forum... and I have already explained to saint that I wasn't castigating him at all... so let it rest...

by **bigmick** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:45 pm

s@int wrote:I do find it rather ironic that the very same people that said the problems between Rafa and H&G were a load of rubbish, are now the loudest in using that very same "rubbish" to defend Rafa.

And if there's any truth in the rumours this time Saint, the same thing will happen again. While you are posting "laughable" stories, are listening to WUM's and the like at the moment, it's amazing how these things which are currently laughable can suddenly become the accepted gospel.

I mean, "how the feck are we supposed to launch a title challenge while the owners are talking to Klinnsmann in America" (although we can of course launch a Champions league challenge under the same circumstances) could easily become "how the feck are we supposed to launch a title challenge while the captain and vice captain are trying to get a move". Don't shoot the messenger is an old adage which needs to be remembered, as is the fact that Saint is hardly the type of bloke to spam the forum with loads of sh!t, that's my job (thought I'd get that in before somebody else did

).

If the rumours which refer to the discontent of Gerrard and Carragher have any truth in them, it will provide an interesting talking point come the end of the season. If they were both to ask for a move, would people take the "well they can feck off, we only want players who want to wear the shirt" route or would they look at the reasoning behind the moves?

For my part I don't think it will come to that. I've long suspected that a significant portion of the squad is split from the managers philosophy and effectively "lost", but I wouldn't have thought it will manifest itself into Gerrard probably and Carragher definately asking for a move. More likely I suspect is that they'll continue to do the best they can under the cuircumstances and wait to see what happens.

by **maguskwt** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:13 pm

"wooohoooo... the feckin newbie is castigating me!... he said 'the story is laughable' "
"wooohoooo... if i call other ppl names and insult them of not having football knowledge then i'm NOT castigating them"
"wooohoooo... you can't defend the manager with the reason that was rumoured because you only chose to believe it after it was revealed as a fact

that's just not fair!"
"wooohoooo... heads I win tails you lose"
"wooohoooo... hang them for supporting the feckin manager"

well done mick :;):

by **metalhead** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:16 pm

Lets clear things up then, I read on sky that Reina denied any rifts, so no rift, no problems so all is good? I think I'll believe reina.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:26 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Saint, thanks for posting the info you had , noone is being forced to believe it , it's just abit more info for people to digest and take from it what they want . If people are posting stuff on here in good faith , they should not be castigated for it by Newbies trying to get there post count up . Bellends.

refering to?

since i'm the only one with a post count of less than a thousand involved in this discussion about saint's rumour i suppose that you are refering to me...

so FYI... I got better things to do than try to get my damn post count up in an internet forum... and I have already explained to saint that I wasn't castigating him at all... so let it rest...

Now then nobby , is your post count high , no didn't think so ,so i obviously wasn't refering to you. You can join the other t!t if you want. Stop jumping to conclusions and go wobble yer head for abit.

Apology accepted. :;):

by **maguskwt** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:33 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Saint, thanks for posting the info you had , noone is being forced to believe it , it's just abit more info for people to digest and take from it what they want . If people are posting stuff on here in good faith , they should not be castigated for it by Newbies trying to get there post count up . Bellends.

refering to?

since i'm the only one with a post count of less than a thousand involved in this discussion about saint's rumour i suppose that you are refering to me...

so FYI... I got better things to do than try to get my damn post count up in an internet forum... and I have already explained to saint that I wasn't castigating him at all... so let it rest...

Now then nobby , is your post count high , no didn't think so ,so i obviously wasn't refering to you. You can join the other t!t if you want. Stop jumping to conclusions and go wobble yer head for abit.

Apology accepted.

well then... who are you referring to?

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:36 pm

Football in the city of Liverpool is like no other. Everybody lives around football. Even those who don't follow it, know what's happening around both clubs because of it being in your face all the time.

That's why so many rumours or theories come out of the city, because it's the number one discussion topic in Liverpool. You can't get away from it inside the city of Liverpool. Plus with scousers (like most Liverpool and unfortunately Everton fans) are knowledgeable when it comes to football, most scousers think their theories are right. Obviously with me being scouse, and living around it, I can speak from self experince here.

This is in reference to Scottbot's post, I just forgot to quote.

by **bigmick** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:06 pm

maguskwt wrote:"wooohoooo... the feckin newbie is castigating me!... he said 'the story is laughable' "
"wooohoooo... if i call other ppl names and insult them of not having football knowledge then i'm NOT castigating them"
"wooohoooo... you can't defend the manager with the reason that was rumoured because you only chose to believe it after it was revealed as a fact that's just not fair!"
"wooohoooo... heads I win tails you lose"
"wooohoooo... hang them for supporting the feckin manager"

well done mick

What an extremely strange post.

by **redtrader74** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:16 pm

bigmick wrote:
s@int wrote:I do find it rather ironic that the very same people that said the problems between Rafa and H&G were a load of rubbish, are now the loudest in using that very same "rubbish" to defend Rafa.

And if there's any truth in the rumours this time Saint, the same thing will happen again. While you are posting "laughable" stories, are listening to WUM's and the like at the moment, it's amazing how these things which are currently laughable can suddenly become the accepted gospel.

I mean, "how the feck are we supposed to launch a title challenge while the owners are talking to Klinnsmann in America" (although we can of course launch a Champions league challenge under the same circumstances) could easily become "how the feck are we supposed to launch a title challenge while the captain and vice captain are trying to get a move". Don't shoot the messenger is an old adage which needs to be remembered, as is the fact that Saint is hardly the type of bloke to spam the forum with loads of sh!t, that's my job (thought I'd get that in before somebody else did ).

If the rumours which refer to the discontent of Gerrard and Carragher have any truth in them, it will provide an interesting talking point come the end of the season. If they were both to ask for a move, would people take the "well they can feck off, we only want players who want to wear the shirt" route or would they look at the reasoning behind the moves?

For my part I don't think it will come to that. I've long suspected that a significant portion of the squad is split from the managers philosophy and effectively "lost", but I wouldn't have thought it will manifest itself into Gerrard probably and Carragher definately asking for a move. More likely I suspect is that they'll continue to do the best they can under the cuircumstances and wait to see what happens.

It is the perogative of every supporter of LFC to take all unsubstantiated stories with a huge pinch of salt, we have, after all been victims of one of the biggest media lies in history. So if some people would rather wait and see if any truth lies behind the headline, its hardly ironic to later respond to the story and its rammifications when for once its proven right. Wheres the irony in using the truth to explain our current situation?

by **Torres 2007** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:20 pm

wheres the actual evidence that DIC are even interested in buying LFC? I mean apart from Tabloid back page stories, amongst other nonsense.

Beleive me, LFC will not change hands twice in 12 months. It's not like selling your second hand TV, selling your stake in the club.

I dont think the yanks should leave either, they have only been here for a short period and have fulfilled much criteria.

Such as:

1. Given Rafa 50 million ish this season alone to buy Torres, Skrtel, Benayoun, Babel. etc.

2. Payed off the clubs 80m debts.

3. Trying to secure funding/ re-finance for the new stadium.
The bill for the new 300/400m stadium was always gonna be a secured loan, and the Americans were never gonna dig that cash out of their owns pockets. Arsenal didnt for the Emirates'

They have a lot on their plate.

Just give it a chance for Hicks and Gillette and see what happens in 2/3 seasons.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:55 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Saint, thanks for posting the info you had , noone is being forced to believe it , it's just abit more info for people to digest and take from it what they want . If people are posting stuff on here in good faith , they should not be castigated for it by Newbies trying to get there post count up . Bellends.

refering to?

since i'm the only one with a post count of less than a thousand involved in this discussion about saint's rumour i suppose that you are refering to me...

so FYI... I got better things to do than try to get my damn post count up in an internet forum... and I have already explained to saint that I wasn't castigating him at all... so let it rest...

Now then nobby , is your post count high , no didn't think so ,so i obviously wasn't refering to you. You can join the other t!t if you want. Stop jumping to conclusions and go wobble yer head for abit.

Apology accepted.

well then... who are you referring to?

you worry to much

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:17 pm

Torres 2007 wrote:wheres the actual evidence that DIC are even interested in buying LFC? I mean apart from Tabloid back page stories, amongst other nonsense.

Beleive me, LFC will not change hands twice in 12 months. It's not like selling your second hand TV, selling your stake in the club.

I dont think the yanks should leave either, they have only been here for a short period and have fulfilled much criteria.

Such as:

1. Given Rafa 50 million ish this season alone to buy Torres, Skrtel, Benayoun, Babel. etc.

2. Payed off the clubs 80m debts.

3. Trying to secure funding/ re-finance for the new stadium.
The bill for the new 300/400m stadium was always gonna be a secured loan, and the Americans were never gonna dig that cash out of their owns pockets. Arsenal didnt for the Emirates'

They have a lot on their plate.

Just give it a chance for Hicks and Gillette and see what happens in 2/3 seasons.

Point one , they haven't given rafa apenny , it's all borrowed money .

Point two, they haven't paid off the clubs debts, they have heaped even more debt onto the club.

Point three, We know anyone would have to get aloan to build the new stadium , the point being they specifically said they wouldn't put the debt onto the club . THEY LIED.

We will not have a club in 2/3 season's if these 2 bellends are still the owners. THe burden on the club is too big.

by **RUSHIE#9** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:32 am

Torres 2007 wrote:wheres the actual evidence that DIC are even interested in buying LFC? I mean apart from Tabloid back page stories, amongst other nonsense.

Beleive me, LFC will not change hands twice in 12 months. It's not like selling your second hand TV, selling your stake in the club.

I dont think the yanks should leave either, they have only been here for a short period and have fulfilled much criteria.

Such as:

1. Given Rafa 50 million ish this season alone to buy Torres, Skrtel, Benayoun, Babel. etc.

2. Payed off the clubs 80m debts.

3. Trying to secure funding/ re-finance for the new stadium.
The bill for the new 300/400m stadium was always gonna be a secured loan, and the Americans were never gonna dig that cash out of their owns pockets. Arsenal didnt for the Emirates'

They have a lot on their plate.

Just give it a chance for Hicks and Gillette and see what happens in 2/3 seasons.

Has Tom Hicks logged in again?

Of course they have a lot on their plate, they've totally under estimated what it takes to run/own a premier league club and they're now busy trying to make sure that their fuck up doesn't empty their pockets. Meanwhile they don't give a flying fook if it ends up ripping the heart out of Liverpool FC.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:33 am

did anybody else catch Jimmy Melia talking on Radio City before the game yesterday, he knows Hicks and is good friends with his brother Bill, he reckoned Hicks will be around for 20 years, i nearly hit the fooking car infront of me

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