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by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:14 am

Latest from Cow town red

I will post as soon as I have any news.

I will ask the mods to unlock the thread I started.

There is no real progress at the minute to tell anyone.

There have been no face-to face talks since last weekend before the Chelsea game... when the DIC SENIOR reps met with American reps (not G/H in person)... but the high brass of DIC , as well as MOORES and my source were together for a long talking session.

Oliver's article above is old news, but there is one new point he makes, which is correct. Gillet is NOT the benign influence everyone appears to have concluded.

Will there be a deal?

I don't know, but the man who feeds me still believes yes. I said a while back that the Inter fixtures would be tellingly important, and I still think that is so. So mid March (beware) is likely more important than mid February.

The only other thing I can say is that the Spirit/Sons of Shankly movement has been very well received by the Dubai people. (alas, there's not the same respect for the 'buy out' movement) So, good work there as far as I can see, Andy and co.

ripped from RAWK

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:25 am

I fear DIC taking over to be perfectly honest because if they're just mouth and no action like the yanks seem to be, it makes the club look even worse for being taking for a :censored:

twice in a matter of years. Obviously we won't know this unless it happens, but it's a possibility. So I think to ensure they have every fans backing "if" they take over DIC have to give a huge transfer kitty to Benitez and have to keep to their word. Otherwise we're back at square one and everybody will be laughing at us twice as much as they are now.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:33 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I fear DIC taking over to be perfectly honest because if they're just mouth and no action like the yanks seem to be, it makes the club look even worse for being taking for a twice in a matter of years. Obviously we won't know this unless it happens, but it's a possibility. So I think to ensure they have every fans backing "if" they take over DIC have to give a huge transfer kitty to Benitez and have to keep to their word. Otherwise we're back at square one and everybody will be laughing at us twice as much as they are now.

I would settle for keeping to their word, not loading the club with debt and building us a stadium.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:39 am

s@int wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I fear DIC taking over to be perfectly honest because if they're just mouth and no action like the yanks seem to be, it makes the club look even worse for being taking for a twice in a matter of years. Obviously we won't know this unless it happens, but it's a possibility. So I think to ensure they have every fans backing "if" they take over DIC have to give a huge transfer kitty to Benitez and have to keep to their word. Otherwise we're back at square one and everybody will be laughing at us twice as much as they are now.

I would settle for keeping to their word, not loading the club with debt and building us a stadium.

Isn't a new stadium in their plans though?

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:32 am

s@int wrote:Latest from Cow town red

I will post as soon as I have any news.

I will ask the mods to unlock the thread I started.

There is no real progress at the minute to tell anyone.

There have been no face-to face talks since last weekend before the Chelsea game... when the DIC SENIOR reps met with American reps (not G/H in person)... but the high brass of DIC , as well as MOORES and my source were together for a long talking session.

Oliver's article above is old news, but there is one new point he makes, which is correct. Gillet is NOT the benign influence everyone appears to have concluded.

Will there be a deal?

I don't know, but the man who feeds me still believes yes. I said a while back that the Inter fixtures would be tellingly important, and I still think that is so. So mid March (beware) is likely more important than mid February.

The only other thing I can say is that the Spirit/Sons of Shankly movement has been very well received by the Dubai people. (alas, there's not the same respect for the 'buy out' movement) So, good work there as far as I can see, Andy and co.

ripped from RAWK

It's all still very cryptic that.

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:35 am

Was listening to Newstalk106 over here in Dublin last nite. One fascinating interview was with a Times journalist, apparently a very well respected hack (before you slate me, I don't buy the Times, so this could all be hearsay). Anyway, his sources in the field believe that it's only a matter of "when" DIC take over, rather than "if".
Either way, the feeling coming out of Anfield is that Rafa is on borrowed time anyway, irrespective of what happens vs. Inter. The Barnsley result was just another nail in the already heading south, coffin !

by **tommycockles** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:25 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I fear DIC taking over to be perfectly honest because if they're just mouth and no action like the yanks seem to be, it makes the club look even worse for being taking for a twice in a matter of years. Obviously we won't know this unless it happens, but it's a possibility. So I think to ensure they have every fans backing "if" they take over DIC have to give a huge transfer kitty to Benitez and have to keep to their word. Otherwise we're back at square one and everybody will be laughing at us twice as much as they are now.

i understand your fears but do you think they would do that seing how we are reacting to the Americans? Surely they know that things would really kick off if things got worsed- not that things could get much worse at the moment.

I hope they buy us and then if they want they can sell us in 10 years when we're in a new stadium and winning the league for the 3rd time! Don't mind them profiting if they've done a good job!

If they don't buy us things are only going to get worse!

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:28 am

tommycockles wrote:they can sell us in 10 years when we're in a new stadium and winning the league for the 3rd time! !

That would mean the 21st time.

by **tommycockles** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:03 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
tommycockles wrote:they can sell us in 10 years when we're in a new stadium and winning the league for the 3rd time! !

That would mean the 21st time.

haha- ok - i meant third time since them buying us!!

by **Ciggy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:25 pm

Yanks So Much - Liverpool To Be Arab Owned

LIVERPOOL will be Arab-owned within a month, as the prospect of losing out on Champions League football next season forces the hands of current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Even a dramatic Champions League victory in Moscow in May and a Premier League recovery will only delay the deal, with the American pair so far down the road of selling up that a US firm has been hired to conduct negotiations with the Dubai International Capital.

The Daily Express can reveal that New York investment bankers and advisers Inner Circle Sports, who were heavily involved in Hicks’ and Gillett’s purchase of Liverpool early last year, have been appointed to look after the talks leading up to a sale.

Sheikh Maktoum and DIC head Sameer Al Ansari have been approached by intermediaries offering several Premier League clubs, but they have told them all they are BUYING LIVERPOOL.

The Express has seen confidential financial analysis of Liverpool’s predicament, commissioned by DIC, which indicates the Merseyside giants, one of football’s most famous names, will default on their interest payments on £350million-worth of loans because the club cannot make enough money if they miss out on next season’s Champions League. They lie fifth in the Premier League, three points behind arch rivals Everton.

Rafael Benitez may have suffered the embarrassment of Saturday’s FA Cup exit, but the real issue is the money-spinning Champions League. So it is easy to see why the manager rested key players ahead of tonight’s tie against Inter Milan.

The business plan of Gillett and Hicks hinges on the revenue streams from this cash-rich tournament. They cannot survive without it – even with it, it looks like it is too late to avoid the big sell.

Interest repayments run at £30m a year and without Champions League income they would be at least £15m short of repaying their loans to the Royal Bank of Scotland and American bank Wachovia.

Negotiations between the DIC and the American pair are so well advanced that the only issue is over the precise value of Liverpool.

DIC might be willing to splash out close to £450m to acquire the club, which would represent a staggering £100m profit for one year’s ‘work’ in owning the club by Hicks and Gillett.

An influential City insider told the Daily Express yesterday: “In reality the two banks own Liverpool. If the interest repayments cannot be met the banks would repossess the club.

“Clearly the banks are concerned at the credit rating of the two Americans, who have put up personal guarantees of £225m.

“The banks would be more comfortable with DIC, that’s for sure, and there is no doubt the Americans are sellers, despite what they might say publicly, because they are continuing to talk about it privately.

“It would not surprise me if there was a deal within a month, and it is clear the Americans will want to offload the club immediately if Liverpool fail to participate in next season’s Champions League.

“If they go out of the Champions League that would leave the Americans sweating on fourth place and for once there is some serious competition for that.

“The only conclusion is the Americans would be more inclined to sell up while the offer is on the table from DIC if there is continual doubts that they would be able to meet the interest charges.”

This column first exposed the American takeover as little more than a hugely-leveraged deal akin to the Glazers acquisition of Manchester United, who are in an identical situation with £600m of loans repaid through the club’s profits. But United are far better placed to keep the Champions League rolling.

The refinancing package at Anfield on February 1 has far from stabilised the Americans’ ownership.

It has ploughed the interest payments directly on to Liverpool assets, meaning it can only be repaid if the club earn sufficient revenue or Hicks and Gillett personally cough up hard cash.

The sensible option is to take DIC’s cash and run – with a hefty £50m profit taken by both men.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:31 pm

Sheikh Maktoum and DIC head Sameer Al Ansari have been approached by intermediaries offering several Premier League clubs, but they have told them all they are BUYING LIVERPOOL.

I like the sound of that

by **Ciggy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:34 pm

s@int wrote:
Sheikh Maktoum and DIC head Sameer Al Ansari have been approached by intermediaries offering several Premier League clubs, but they have told them all they are BUYING LIVERPOOL.

I like the sound of that

So do I

Sheikh yer money Mo

by **heimdall** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:02 pm

Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:
Sheikh Maktoum and DIC head Sameer Al Ansari have been approached by intermediaries offering several Premier League clubs, but they have told them all they are BUYING LIVERPOOL.

I like the sound of that

So do I

Sheikh yer money Mo

yes but does that mean that going out of the champions league would be a good thing then?? Long term it probably would but short term for me I want number 6 :buttrock

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:54 pm

heimdall wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:
Sheikh Maktoum and DIC head Sameer Al Ansari have been approached by intermediaries offering several Premier League clubs, but they have told them all they are BUYING LIVERPOOL.

I like the sound of that

So do I

Sheikh yer money Mo

yes but does that mean that going out of the champions league would be a good thing then?? Long term it probably would but short term for me I want number 6

You want number 6?

Who's the best man to deliver that?

Don't say Mourinho.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:27 am

Whoooooooooo hoooooooo G & H are history can this night get any better, totally made feckin up, feck off you yank tw@ts :buttrock

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