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by **account deleted by request** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:52 pm

LittleHobo wrote:its all well and good supporting your manager and keeping the faith

how much time though do you actually give?

the man has built his team now, spending alot of money along the way and we are no better now than under houllier.

how much longer should we accept awful league campaigns?

The problem is we are now going to have to start the rebuilding proccess all over again, no matter who the manager is.

While some will argue that Rafa has not had the same money as some of his rivals, we have still spent an enormous sum during his reign with little progress in the league. Are we now going to entrust the rebuilding of the team to him again? Another four year plan, by which time we will really be in trouble because Gerrard and Carra will be coming to the end of their time.

We need a quick fix solution, so its either money (if we had it ) or someone who can get the best out of the players we have, while bringing in the top quality players were we need them.(with the little money we get)

by **LittleHobo** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:56 pm

s@int wrote:
LittleHobo wrote:its all well and good supporting your manager and keeping the faith

how much time though do you actually give?

the man has built his team now, spending alot of money along the way and we are no better now than under houllier.

how much longer should we accept awful league campaigns?

The problem is we are now going to have to start the rebuilding proccess all over again, no matter who the manager is.

While some will argue that Rafa has not had the same money as some of his rivals, we have still spent an enormous sum during his reign with little progress in the league. Are we now going to entrust the rebuilding of the team to him again? Another four year plan, by which time we will really be in trouble because Gerrard and Carra will be coming to the end of their time.

We need a quick fix solution, so its either money (if we had it ) or someone who can get the best out of the players we have, while bringing in the top quality players were we need them.(with the little money we get)

the only way rafa could turn it round is by admitting that alot of his signings aint good enough for a title challenge......clearing out and starting again (but he would probaly need another 3 years to rebuild)

i cant see him admitting that.....kuyt, crouch, voronin, pennant,auerlio, benayoun, kewell (although he didnt sign him it still seems he rates him) these players are not upto a title challenge

those players are good enough for a top 6 finish but just havent got the cutting edge to win titles

by **redtrader74** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:25 pm

LittleHobo wrote:its all well and good supporting your manager and keeping the faith

how much time though do you actually give?

the man has built his team now, spending alot of money along the way and we are no better now than under houllier.

how much longer should we accept awful league campaigns?

How about giving an absolutely top class manager the benefit of doubt, and concede that the goings on this season have contributed to the cr@p we have seen on the pitch. Why not say that the manager has all the credentials to do well, and now that we have allowed him to assemble his team, (regardless of money, i agree that these are his chosen players), we have given him the time to get somewhere in range of our rivals, then why not give him ONE more season, a season without doubt, without attack from within and see what he can do.

IMO that would be best for the Club, take an educated gamble on the man in place, spend on one other class forward, back him publically and let him get on with it. The other solution, (getting rid of Rafa), without doubt would see a new 5 year plan, with a manager who'd want to spend big, nobody but nobody takes over at a big Club and keeps the same set of players, and if we can't give 5 years to the man that delivered Istanbul, how long would the new guy get. (My guess about 2mins from some people on here, you know who.)

by **Judge** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:27 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players ) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%

how do you define 150%

its impossible to give more than 100%

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:47 pm

Why does each thread turn into the debate about Rafa? We should be discussing who you'd want to replace Rafa if he goes and why?

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:51 pm

Judge wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players ) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%

how do you define 150%

its impossible to give more than 100%

It's a saying smartarse. Also 150% is somebody who'd die for the cause. A bit like Carragher did in Istanbul, he gave more than was possible which is why he couldn't stand up without the aid of the rail when the medals were being given out.

by **Judge** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:53 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Judge wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players ) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%

how do you define 150%

its impossible to give more than 100%

It's a saying smartarse. Also 150% is somebody who'd die for the cause. A bit like Carragher did in Istanbul, he gave more than was possible which is why he couldn't stand up without the aid of the rail when the medals were being given out.

i know that

giving 100% is also a saying, but more factually correct

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:55 pm

Judge wrote:i know that

giving 100% is also a saying, but more factually correct

Feck me Judgey mate.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:01 am

Well who's been reading the encycolpedia mummy and daddy got them for Christmas eh judge

by **Judge** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:01 am

bigmick wrote:
Judge wrote:i know that

giving 100% is also a saying, but more factually correct

Feck me Judgey mate.

im changing slowly mick, in the hope i get modship

by **Judge** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:02 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Well who's been reading the encycolpedia mummy and daddy got them for Christmas eh judge

my dad died last month mate, but thanks for that

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:03 am

The_Rock wrote:
s@int wrote:
nobybob wrote:
Feugo wrote:1 - Jose
2 - Hiddink
3 - Klinsman
4 - Southgate

Rafa has just had a massive vote of confidence over on RAWK 87% support him and think he should stay.

At last a bit of loyalty and common sense to balance out against the PEEWEES of the world. I an still shocked at some of the two faced so called fans here who have on many occasion called Moreen a CUN>T and now cry out for him. You might just as well be crying out for old whiskey nose himself as far as i am concerned!

It seems most mancs agree with RAWK as well

True....all my manure mates and colleagues hope that rafa stays with liverpool for life...

What the fuck?!

Why should you even give a bollox what your scumbag Manc mates think about Liverpool? P*ss off, will ye!

:no

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:04 am

Judge wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Well who's been reading the encycolpedia mummy and daddy got them for Christmas eh judge

my dad died last month mate, but thanks for that

sorry mate, didn't realise, I take it back then.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:06 am

It's a saying smartarse. Also 150% is somebody who'd die for the cause. A bit like Carragher did in Istanbul, he gave more than was possible which is why he couldn't stand up without the aid of the rail when the medals were being given out.

Actually he gave 100% which is why he cramped up and was fooked. Its like saying theres a new super bug out, SUPER BUG? what it has xray vision and can leap tall buildings in a single bound, or super casinos, ya know a casino thats big, or super models, skinny women who model, whats super about them?

Anyway, judge is right, 100% is the max !

by **Judge** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:08 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Judge wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Well who's been reading the encycolpedia mummy and daddy got them for Christmas eh judge

my dad died last month mate, but thanks for that

sorry mate, didn't realise, I take it back then.

ney worries, i know it was tongue in cheek

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