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Postby tubby » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:52 pm

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bavlondon wrote:Shut up mate its an open forum, everyone is entitled to their own "camp". :laugh:

There is only 1 true candidate imo, and thats Jose Mourinho. Yeah he managed the chavs, yeah he said some nasty things. But he took the preassure of the players and handled it well all by himself. Surehe spent loads of wonga but he still got back to back Premierships not to mention he won big ears at Porto without all the wonga. And if DIC take over are you telling me we wont have to re build the team in a similar manner? Of course we will. Any other foreign manager would be a risk imo.

For all those who would slate that choice please go ahead. But just remember your riteous boos and jeers would be replaced with smiles and cheers within 2 minutes if he transformed this team for the better.

and if rafa won us the CL this year and the Prem next, all the moaners on here would suddenly change their tune.

we're football fans and we're all fickle to some extent  :D

The point is he didnt and I doubt there will be any more chances for "ifs". Hes had is chance and thats it.

You can pull up all the stats you want on all the players you want and yes nothing can be taken away from that night in Istanbul but as far as the league goes (which is what e have been craving the most for so long now) we have been :censored: and every single year has been nothing but an eventual let down leading on to yet another summer of "ifs". Well ive had enough if the ifs. Its time for a change and Jose is the man for the job.
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Postby LittleHobo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:52 pm

may i also point out 3 players who flopped under rafa who have left and are scoring goals for fun

morientes at valencia - great goalscoring record

cisse at marsielle - nearly hitting 1 every 2 games for marsielle

pongolle in spain - great goal record for a poor team
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:52 pm

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god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players :p) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%
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Postby LittleHobo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:54 pm

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Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players :p) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%

i would be up for this

harry kewell would be skint though.
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Postby tubby » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:58 pm

That would never happen in England. That ship sailed a long time ago.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:58 pm

LittleHobo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players :p) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%

i would be up for this

harry kewell would be skint though.

I'll give Kuyt his credit here. He runs his socks off and certainly earns SOME of his wage packet.
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:17 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players :p) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

I understand these players are willing to under perform because of the wage packet they still pick up. I'd say you don't get paid if you give less than 150%

“Steve Nicol never gives more than 120 per cent.” Kevin Keegan

So Steve Nicol wouldn't have got his full wages then ?  :D
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:25 pm

LittleHobo wrote:may i also point out 3 players who flopped under rafa who have left and are scoring goals for fun

morientes at valencia - great goalscoring record

cisse at marsielle - nearly hitting 1 every 2 games for marsielle

pongolle in spain - great goal record for a poor team

Morientes couldn't cut it in the Premiership thats hardly Rafas fault. Im sure you were singing from the trees the day we signed him.

Cisse also wasnt cut out for the Premiership and spent half the time in the pitch moaning. Last i seen he is now spending half his time on the bench for Marsielle

Pongolle ill give you. I have to admit I was a bit baffled by this one at the time. A good player with an eye for goal.
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Postby LittleHobo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:31 pm

Dundalk wrote:
LittleHobo wrote:may i also point out 3 players who flopped under rafa who have left and are scoring goals for fun

morientes at valencia - great goalscoring record

cisse at marsielle - nearly hitting 1 every 2 games for marsielle

pongolle in spain - great goal record for a poor team

Morientes couldn't cut it in the Premiership thats hardly Rafas fault. Im sure you were singing from the trees the day we signed him.

Cisse also wasnt cut out for the Premiership and spent half the time in the pitch moaning. Last i seen he is now spending half his time on the bench for Marsielle

Pongolle ill give you. I have to admit I was a bit baffled by this one at the time. A good player with an eye for goal.

could morientes not cut it due to rafas style of play? or because he didnt suit the EPL

im not sure

same as CISSE

i would prefer morientes, cisse and pongo here any day over kuyt and voronin
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Postby taff » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:31 pm

I dont want Benitez to go and want to give him time and support to get things right.

But I have to admit that Im not happy with the season, thought we would have done a lot better and although I think there are other things that have contributed to the woe, Benitez does have to shoulder some of the blame.

If he does go and I think he will regardless of people like myself who want him to stay, well the man I would want is Mourinho.

But I hope that everyone realises that Mourinho will want to spend a lot of money and if that is not available he will ask for patience and time.  This then asks some further questions.

If we will give time to somebody else then why not Benitez who is world class and recognised rightly by other world class managers.

If we have money then why not give it to Benitez to buy top drawer players.

Houliier transformed the club and modernised it but got as far as he could go IMO especially after the heart scare, people like Wenger were involved with Houllier and the transformation of France.  Liverpool were and we have to admit this, miles behind with the old way, and yes Evans' teams were entertaining but fell off the pace and the sum of total of trophies was - 1 league cup.  We have been playng catch up and this is a fact, so instance success is now only possible with money and lots of it, compared to Man Utd and Chelsea we cannot compete, Wenger has taken years to build and he is a true world class manager but the team he has now were not bought in the summer and please people stop kidding yourselve if you think it was.

We are where we are IMO because of

The defence is not up to it offensively, we all dream of a team of Carraghers yes but a few years ago we were criticising him for being an average right back.  We miss Agger and this was solved with the purchase of Skrtel as Hypia is now past it while Carragher should have taken his position as the senior man.

The strikers have not performed and I think we should buy big in the summer and sell if need be to raise money but we still need at least three minimum to perform throughout the season.

Im happy with the midfield, maybe get one class act and if SG goe on the right then so be it, he was ok last season in that position. Masch and Alonso could run the centre as well as anybody, SG who is rarely rotated on the right and Harry, Ive loved you and hated you but would replace you in a heartbeat Im sorry.  Babel can go there but I would like to see him up front as well, so a good purchase of a winger for the left would solve a lot of issues there.

To support them we need to realise that Riise and Finan are not the answers and the lack of pace in the centre and the natural lack of attacking ability means that they do not support the attack as much as they should.

Crouch and Kuyt could stay but only if the rest of the team support more.  Kuyt runs his heart out in every game bt should be more selfish,  he is not because the team is not functioning throughout the pitch and this starts as always at the back.

Money and some good buys would solve a lot.  Patience will take a bit longer, so the reason I want Benitez to stay is because I can see where he is going and I have faith in him getting there as much as any other manaer available or willing to come here.
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:36 pm

Morientes and Cisse were given every chance to succeed at Liverpool but werent up to the task.

Cisse was the most frustrating footballer I have ever seen in a red jersey. I really dont think the guy knew how to play football.

Just to add that Rafa didnt sign him either. See Mr Houllier for that one.
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Postby LittleHobo » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:37 pm

its all well and good supporting your manager and keeping the faith

how much time though do you actually give?

the man has built his team now, spending alot of money along the way and we are no better now than under houllier.

how much longer should we accept awful league campaigns?
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Postby NANNY RED » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:41 pm

Bammo wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Motivation I won't blame the manager for. Any player who isn't motivated for playing for Liverpool Football Club shouldn't be at this club. But the manager who "loves" this club, should be running after those players who show lack of motivation and giving them a bollocking in public.

It's a feature of the modern game that few managers dare to stand up to the star players. I'd give anything to play one game for Liverpool (and I'm probably better than certain players :p) so it pisses me off when I see players not trying or annoyed because they're made to play in a different position.

It's a privelege to play for us but the modern attitude of players is that they have a divine right to play where they want. If, for instance, Gerrard refuses to play right wing, drop him.

Rafa has shown he can occasionally do this (Gerrard subbed in derby) but I'm sure if he was more ruthless he'd have more success. Having said that even more people would slate him on here if he dropped Stevie!

Absolutly great point Bammo lad but some of these players need more than no wages if i was Raffa id be giving a few of them a slap :nod
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:49 pm

LittleHobo wrote:its all well and good supporting your manager and keeping the faith

how much time though do you actually give?

the man has built his team now, spending alot of money along the way and we are no better now than under houllier.

how much longer should we accept awful league campaigns?

For what he has done I think he deserves at the very least another season. As i said before we were in the Champions league Final 9 months ago.

We have scored 40 goals in the league this season and conceded 17.

Chelsea have scored 38 goals and conceded 17.

Are problem is that we are drawing to many matches. They are 11 points ahead off us.

A bit more luck in front of goal and it could have been a very different season
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Postby Reg » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:50 pm

Maureen without money to spend is like going into a bar without beer.  It aint gonna happen.
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