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Sabre wrote:

s@int wrote:

RUSHIE#9 wrote:I think we should seriously consider something that has been mentioned previously elsewhere. Allow Rafa at least another season but with a new assistant in the form of somebody like Aldo. He understands the club from a fans point of view, he'd be a good link between the players and Rafa with him being an ex player himself  and he may be able to help Rafa on transfers by suggesting whether or not a player will be in the right mold for the english game. Not to mention him being an ex striker helping our forward line find the back of the net more often.

I get the feeling that Rafa's concentration has been diverted from the team and performances not only by the boardroom troubles but by the fact that he seems to have been trying to do everything himself since Pako's departure. 

If as I suspect a change of manager is inevitable then I think that in the current climate it is hard to suggest a realistic front runner. The possible change of owners muddies the waters somewhat as we don't know what kind of man DIC (other than successful) would want.
Mourinho has the experience of winning the Premiership but truthfully how many of us could actually stomach having him in charge of the team after all that has gone on between him and the club in the past. Added to that the comments that Rafa's brand of football is very dull to watch, wasn't that one of the reasons that Roman got rid of Maureen, because he wanted to be entertained more?

As for the suggestion a couple of pages back of Southgate.

IF you weren't joking with that one what kind of special blend have you been smoking??

I would agree with giving Rafa one more year if he took on an assistant. The problem is I don't think he will.

The truth is I don't really want to see him go, I just want him to change some of his methods. As I don't think he is going to change I think he may have to go.

Assistant as in, he has a lot of work and he must share the responsabilities?

or Assistant as in, "he should be told not to rotate and how to play in England".

If it's the latter, you'd rather want  to sáck him, because it's not arrogant to have a certain methodology, every manager has his book. If people want different methods, no assistant are needed, but another manager.

Thats my problem with the whole mess Sabre, I no longer believe Rafa can win the title with his present methods. I think if he could "tone down" some of his methods (maybe with the advice and help of an assistant) maybe he can, I would certainly be willing to give him another season to see.

If he is going to persist with his present methods (and I agree I can't see him changing) then maybe we need to change manager.

Reg wrote:Which is exactly what I said is the role of the lead players, the manager can only do so much, the rest is down to the lead players to take the rest by the scruff of the neck and make them believe. Same in any other team game, surely?

So if the players don't want to play for him ...whose fault is it ? the players ? so we get rid of all the players and get the reserves to take over ?

Football is like any other sport/business..... If your manager of the dept loses the respect of his staff...the CEO of the company will sack the manager..

I am not saying sack rafa.....but things have to improve. We cannot continue like this....This bliiiiiipppp has started long time ago and it does not even look like ending anytime soon. So what do we do ? Continue in the same path ? 

lakes10 wrote:The Problem started 19 years ago and thats why Kenny left, our owners saw us as a team they did not need much to win, We was Liverpool FC and that should be enough for us to win. as soon as other clubs started to get lots of money coming in the gap shut on us and then we started to get left behind, by the time the club got its kick start again it was too late. the Prem had been set up and with clubs getting money from Sky they could buy more players, players that could have gone to us if they did not have the money from sky.

We ended the bootroom and the heart was taken from the club.

so no Rafa is not to blame for the 19 years but he is just adding more years to it.

redmikey wrote:i was talking to a manc who said that fer-gay did the same thing when kid left . took on all the duties and had a slump, the same when mclown left for boro and so on

i do think that pako leaving has had more of an affect than rafa is prepared to admit though his stubbornness, which is a fault with rafa ! but to sack him and get anyone else who will need a five year plan to get things running there way is madness, rafa is a great coach who with the right backing will win us trophies. FACT . he does make strange chooses sometimes and backs them no matter what. FACT.

but he has come out of the worst media sh!t storm with his head held high , which for me is very very important.

i know there are alot of fans nowadays that want us to be the biggest richest best club in the world so they can enjoy inter net site more but that is not realistic at the moment and no amount of manger changes will help, in fact the opposite imho, case and point newcastle and manure. one club has stood by their manager when having bad times and one has gone through them like a under cooked chicken vindaloo, while i know that is a broad shout it isn't rocket science to see that all coaches have up and down seasons.

it all boils down to the fact that there aren't many better than rafa out there and those that would come wouldn't see us as a good place to be with the upheaval at the club at present and all the moaning about the manager at the moment won't help one bit, so you can either changer colours to chavski or another bandwagon or support the club and current manger. oh by the way john barnes was on sky this morning looking for a job? ? ? i know someone will think that is a great idea 

Great idea! Lets get him back on the left wing he can hardly do any worse than Riise or Kewell 

Leonmc0708 wrote:Not managed to win the league yet. But if you are going to say thats cus he hasnt had the money I give you Ashley young as one example of being backed with money.

lakes10 wrote:

FRfanatic wrote:Frank "The Man" Rijkaard

well it looks like he will be looking for a new job.

I dont think he would be good for the club, we need a british manager now, someone that understands the club, the fans and the history.

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Big Niall wrote:I bet the people who say Rafa should stay are the same ones that said GH should stay in his last season. Remember all the stuff they said about him - revolutionised the club, the treble, gave his heart, laid foundations of great french team , all that B.S.

Once he left and Rafa came, they said that the club was moving forward.

I think it is some people's personalities to always be loyal to the manager and never want him sacked. Others (like me) believe that you should fire a manager who is underperforming for a consistent period of time.

In 5 years time we'll probably be saying the same about the next manager - I say fire the next guy too

Dont always agree with you but think that statement is quite true.
Houllier before he went was still getting stuck up for by alot of fans.
Since Rafa has came in there are not many fans that still have the same opinion or should i say affection for Houllier.

They will deny it like, but am with you on this one.

If Rafa got sacked or left and someone else come in and kicked things on....all the negative things people have been saying about him (that has resulted in them being called fickle etc) would become commonplace, similar to the opinion people have about Houllier now.

in other words we need rafa and houlier at the helm together

another problem solved by judge 

The_Rock wrote:So if the players don't want to play for him ...whose fault is it ? the players ? so we get rid of all the players and get the reserves to take over ?