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Postby Ciggy » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:56 am

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Manchester United: £550m
Liverpool: £350m
Arsenal: £272m
Chelsea: £270m
Fulham: £159m


Spot the one that needs more money (debt) to pay for their new stadium :(

Yes another 400 million, 750 million in debt total and there is some dosy @rses here that actually think they will build that stadium HA.
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Postby nobybob » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:58 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Really this is not about winning the title or finishing 4th even , it's not about a nice new stadium ,or if the 2 yanks have x amount of dollars and the arabs have y amount . IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB you clueless glory hunting prats. Yer see when it comes down to it ,this is what being a supporter is all about . you support the club and everything it stands for . It's history it's tradition ,the kit colour the badge ,the smell the atmosphere. Get it . If all you want is titles and leagues and £30 million pound players and you want it now .Well go and get them ,cos there are other clubs that have them whilst we don't .
I think i'll stick around for a bit with the people i know want the best for my club and not just another shiny new stadium . I'll stay here with the people who won't accept being sh!t on from a great hieght as soon as we see the pound signs flashing . The club means alot to me ,more than you would know ,i will not see it ruined by you ,your american idols ,DIC  or anyone .Take agood look at yourselves you know who you are.

what !!!and who is in control, how much cash they have,,, their intentions,,etc etc etc,, you think all this has no bearing on our future?? as for glory hunting is it a crime to hope that your club wins big ?? not for me..

i to feel the same as you about the history , traditions etc as do i suspect most here and would love my club success or not .But that should not stop us wanting and hoping for the best from our owners whoever that maybe
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:02 am

Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:
Manchester United: £550m
Liverpool: £350m
Arsenal: £272m
Chelsea: £270m
Fulham: £159m


Spot the one that needs more money (debt) to pay for their new stadium :(

Yes another 400 million, 750 million in debt total and there is some dosy @rses here that actually think they will build that stadium HA.

Oh s.hit, this is where you start feeling for the club. I dont want us to do a 'Leeds' kin ell, that would be one of the most sorry state of affairs to happen in football, apart from Hillsborough and Heysel of course and infact to any football supporter who has lost their life watching a game of football.

We may not go down the Leeds route, but we could well become and average Prem side in the future like Villa or someone, because most of the revenue coming in would surely have to go back into the debt thats been made.  :(

How do United do it though ?
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:03 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Really this is not about winning the title or finishing 4th even , it's not about a nice new stadium ,or if the 2 yanks have x amount of dollars and the arabs have y amount . IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB you clueless glory hunting prats. Yer see when it comes down to it ,this is what being a supporter is all about . you support the club and everything it stands for . It's history it's tradition ,the kit colour the badge ,the smell the atmosphere. Get it . If all you want is titles and leagues and £30 million pound players and you want it now .Well go and get them ,cos there are other clubs that have them whilst we don't .
I think i'll stick around for a bit with the people i know want the best for my club and not just another shiny new stadium . I'll stay here with the people who won't accept being sh!t on from a great hieght as soon as we see the pound signs flashing . The club means alot to me ,more than you would know ,i will not see it ruined by you ,your american idols ,DIC  or anyone .Take agood look at yourselves you know who you are.

I hope thats not refering to me Igor, but well said anyway.  :bowdown

why would it be refering to you bm ? If you think i mean it as a scouse and oot thing , then i most certainly do not . I have nothing against anyone who wants what's best for the club be they scouse ,English  :D or whatever , i know from your post where your heart lies . There's nothing wrong in wanting to be successful and to win things mate.It's just that there are more important things afoot at this present time.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:06 am

nobybob wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Really this is not about winning the title or finishing 4th even , it's not about a nice new stadium ,or if the 2 yanks have x amount of dollars and the arabs have y amount . IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB you clueless glory hunting prats. Yer see when it comes down to it ,this is what being a supporter is all about . you support the club and everything it stands for . It's history it's tradition ,the kit colour the badge ,the smell the atmosphere. Get it . If all you want is titles and leagues and £30 million pound players and you want it now .Well go and get them ,cos there are other clubs that have them whilst we don't .
I think i'll stick around for a bit with the people i know want the best for my club and not just another shiny new stadium . I'll stay here with the people who won't accept being sh!t on from a great hieght as soon as we see the pound signs flashing . The club means alot to me ,more than you would know ,i will not see it ruined by you ,your american idols ,DIC  or anyone .Take agood look at yourselves you know who you are.

what !!!and who is in control, how much cash they have,,, their intentions,,etc etc etc,, you think all this has no bearing on our future?? as for glory hunting is it a crime to hope that your club wins big ?? not for me..

i to feel the same as you about the history , traditions etc as do i suspect most here and would love my club success or not .But that should not stop us wanting and hoping for the best from our owners whoever that maybe

Read the post again soft lad .
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:06 am

It's just that there are more important things afoot at this present time.



I do realise that Igor, of late football has been put on the back burner. But what can we do, other than play the hand we've been dealt with ?
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:08 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:
Manchester United: £550m
Liverpool: £350m
Arsenal: £272m
Chelsea: £270m
Fulham: £159m


Spot the one that needs more money (debt) to pay for their new stadium :(

Yes another 400 million, 750 million in debt total and there is some dosy @rses here that actually think they will build that stadium HA.

Oh s.hit, this is where you start feeling for the club. I dont want us to do a 'Leeds' kin ell, that would be one of the most sorry state of affairs to happen in football, apart from Hillsborough and Heysel of course and infact to any football supporter who has lost their life watching a game of football.

We may not go down the Leeds route, but we could well become and average Prem side in the future like Villa or someone, because most of the revenue coming in would surely have to go back into the debt thats been made.  :(

How do United do it though ?

So they took over Liverpool to place themselves and the club at a loss, refinanced the loans to place themselves even more in debt knowing that the future doesnt look to good either and the rest of the businesses will suffer to compensate the debt that has been acquired at LFC?
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:08 am

Bamaga man wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:
Manchester United: £550m
Liverpool: £350m
Arsenal: £272m
Chelsea: £270m
Fulham: £159m


Spot the one that needs more money (debt) to pay for their new stadium :(

Yes another 400 million, 750 million in debt total and there is some dosy @rses here that actually think they will build that stadium HA.

Oh s.hit, this is where you start feeling for the club. I dont want us to do a 'Leeds' kin ell, that would be one of the most sorry state of affairs to happen in football, apart from Hillsborough and Heysel of course and infact to any football supporter who has lost their life watching a game of football.

We may not go down the Leeds route, but we could well become and average Prem side in the future like Villa or someone, because most of the revenue coming in would surely have to go back into the debt thats been made.  :(

How do United do it though ?

United have expanded not rebuilt, and by the time they took on the level of debt that we will have, they had :-

1/ A successful team

2/A 70,000 seater stadium

3/A commercial empire
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:13 am

So they took over Liverpool to place themselves and the club at a loss


Yes so it seems, but only the bold part and the last three words of that sentence would be true, they wouldnt themselves be at a loss, more a personal and finacial gain. There crude business men, and they do have a history of f.ucking things up for their "franchises".
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:14 am

Bamaga man wrote:
It's just that there are more important things afoot at this present time.



I do realise that Igor, of late football has been put on the back burner. But what can we do, other than play the hand we've been dealt with ?

Maybe just roll over and let them get on with destroying the club. BM hicks track record is appaling mate. He's only in it for a quick buck mate. There's gonna be no cards left no table and no casino ,he will have ruined the lot , there will be no more hands to be dealt. Poker analogies are great aren't they. :D
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:15 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:
Manchester United: £550m
Liverpool: £350m
Arsenal: £272m
Chelsea: £270m
Fulham: £159m


Spot the one that needs more money (debt) to pay for their new stadium :(

Yes another 400 million, 750 million in debt total and there is some dosy @rses here that actually think they will build that stadium HA.

Oh s.hit, this is where you start feeling for the club. I dont want us to do a 'Leeds' kin ell, that would be one of the most sorry state of affairs to happen in football, apart from Hillsborough and Heysel of course and infact to any football supporter who has lost their life watching a game of football.

We may not go down the Leeds route, but we could well become and average Prem side in the future like Villa or someone, because most of the revenue coming in would surely have to go back into the debt thats been made.  :(

How do United do it though ?

So they took over Liverpool to place themselves and the club at a loss, refinanced the loans to place themselves even more in debt knowing that the future doesnt look to good either and the rest of the businesses will suffer to compensate the debt that has been acquired at LFC?

So just explain to me again how we are going to pay interest of approx £50million p.a.
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:18 am

Igor Zidane wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
It's just that there are more important things afoot at this present time.



I do realise that Igor, of late football has been put on the back burner. But what can we do, other than play the hand we've been dealt with ?

Maybe just roll over and let them get on with destroying the club. BM hicks track record is appaling mate. He's only in it for a quick buck mate. There's gonna be no cards left no table and no casino ,he will have ruined the lot , there will be no more hands to be dealt. Poker analogies are great aren't they. :D

:D

I know their track record is appalling mate, and it was a great shame those two muppets wouldnt sell to DIC.

I wonder now what holds for the future of Liverpool football club ?  ???   :(
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Postby nobybob » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:18 am

Igor Zidane wrote:
nobybob wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Really this is not about winning the title or finishing 4th even , it's not about a nice new stadium ,or if the 2 yanks have x amount of dollars and the arabs have y amount . IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB you clueless glory hunting prats. Yer see when it comes down to it ,this is what being a supporter is all about . you support the club and everything it stands for . It's history it's tradition ,the kit colour the badge ,the smell the atmosphere. Get it . If all you want is titles and leagues and £30 million pound players and you want it now .Well go and get them ,cos there are other clubs that have them whilst we don't .
I think i'll stick around for a bit with the people i know want the best for my club and not just another shiny new stadium . I'll stay here with the people who won't accept being sh!t on from a great hieght as soon as we see the pound signs flashing . The club means alot to me ,more than you would know ,i will not see it ruined by you ,your american idols ,DIC  or anyone .Take agood look at yourselves you know who you are.

what !!!and who is in control, how much cash they have,,, their intentions,,etc etc etc,, you think all this has no bearing on our future?? as for glory hunting is it a crime to hope that your club wins big ?? not for me..

i to feel the same as you about the history , traditions etc as do i suspect most here and would love my club success or not .But that should not stop us wanting and hoping for the best from our owners whoever that maybe

Read the post again soft lad .

hmm never speed read ,,, lesson learnt

oh and well said
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:23 am

Bamaga man wrote:
So they took over Liverpool to place themselves and the club at a loss


Yes so it seems, but only the bold part and the last three words of that sentence would be true, they wouldnt themselves be at a loss, more a personal and finacial gain. There crude business men, and they do have a history of f.ucking things up for their "franchises".

But it would be a very minimal profit and therein lies my point. A successful LFC would generate profits all around, the club would have money to spend on world class players, we will have a stadium capable of being filled and supporting the costs of the players wages and there will be profits for the chairmen. It doesnt make any sense to go through all this without putting some thought into the club, surely if this was the case they would say to DIC ok we paid x amount for the club and want x amount plus y% then its all yours but they havent. And thats my point, there was a chance to make a profit right there but they didnt take it. Im trying not to be as negative as a lot of people on here and like you say, we have to make the most of the hand we have been dealt.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:25 am

Night night, off to work at 5.30 .i'll catch up tomorrow . DON'T WORRY , WE'LL BE FINE.
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