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by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:52 pm

and i want to win the euro lottery next week SO WHAT
its easy to say i want this i want that!, do you think all of us here would not love to win the league every year and maybe the odd champions league the question is what can you do to help achieve this.

I don't see winning the Premiership as realistic. But QUALIFYING for the Champions League and beating teams like Wigan at home surely is.

If that's too much to ask, then Rafa is doomed.

80% believe getting G&H will in the long run help achieve these objectives so we are trying

and you are??

Getting rid of H/G will help Kuyt score a goal?

oh i know your getting on our backs for trying

What have you "tried?"

by **lakes10** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:54 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Woollyback wrote:benitez is the first manager to question the motives of the club's owners because it's the first time those motives have ever NEEDED to be questioned

If it wasnt for Rafa letting us know what their intention where we would have thought everything in the garden was rosy but Rafa sussed them out.

Rafa did not susse them out, Rafa had some poor results and they tried to replace him, he found out about it and then started to moan that they would not give new money for players.

by **maguskwt** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:56 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I'm amazed how you simplify things like "if it's the public outburst both g&h and rafa are guilty "... don't try to justify what g&h did just because they're yanks...

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:58 pm

lakes10 wrote:Rafa did not susse them out, Rafa had some poor results and they tried to replace him,

Funny that we hadnt had a league defeat whilst they where interviewing Jurgen, they knew Rafa was on to them thats why they wanted shut.

by **lakes10** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:00 pm

To carry on with this will only hurt our players, how would you feel if SG come out and said he is going to another club as he can not stand playing at a club were the fans or always on the backs of the owners and the team can not get on with things.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:00 pm

maguskwt wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I have to play things down, because the 80% figure does not seem to be backed up with evidence come matchdays.

Where I will criticise G/H is the fact they'd placed debt on the club, but I'm not convinced Rafa deserves the hero worship he's been getting recently.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:01 pm

Manhattan FTW.

And I never say "FTW", so his recent posts really must be making an impression.

This season, at various points I've been disappointed with our manager, our owners and our players. Most recently though, I've been seriously disappointed with the jump-on-the-nearest-alternative-gravy-train attitude of many of our fans.

Today I'm more encouraged about the state of the club than I was at this time last week, but our owners still have a long way to go before I'm convinced they deserve to have custody of our club. The financial side still worries me, but maybe the amount of backing they give Rafa in the summer window is the best time to assess where we're up to.

by **nobybob** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:01 pm

Quote NOBBYBOB
80% believe getting G&H will in the long run help achieve these objectives so we are trying

and you are??

MANHATTON
Getting rid of H/G will help Kuyt score a goal?

NOBBYBOB
no but getting G&H out will bring DIC in . And then there might be money to buy a world class striker to go with torres !!AND HE MIGHT SCORE A GOAL

Quote NOBBYBOB
oh i know your getting on our backs for trying

MANHATTON
What have you "tried?"

NOBBYBOB
I will say it slower for you
i am trying to get a HOW TO GET G&H OUT THREAD
why dont u help me
and why do u object to us wanting G&H out ??

by **Aaron** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:02 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Woollyback wrote:benitez is the first manager to question the motives of the club's owners because it's the first time those motives have ever NEEDED to be questioned

If it wasnt for Rafa letting us know what their intention where we would have thought everything in the garden was rosy but Rafa sussed them out.

Rafa did not susse them out, Rafa had some poor results and they tried to replace him, he found out about it and then started to moan that they would not give new money for players.

May I remind you that this all started because G&H refused to back Rafa in the transfer market privately. Rafa went public on the issue that the European market is different and signings need to be made early, which the Americans refused to sanction.

They then refused to publicly back Rafa and then confirmed they had undermined Rafa's position by talking to Jurgen Klinsmann. All Rafa wanted was to have signings agreed so come January they could be signed, sealed and delivered.

The Americans have lied through their teeth from day one. We were assured no debt would be placed on the club, which it has. We were assured Rafa would get money to strengthen his squad, which they didnt. Any monies Rafa spent was re-couped from selling players.

They are 2 cowboys who are only interested in their wallots. The sooner they :censored:

away off out of Liverpool FC the better!!!

by **lakes10** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:02 pm

Ciggy wrote:
lakes10 wrote:Rafa did not susse them out, Rafa had some poor results and they tried to replace him,

Funny that we hadnt had a league defeat whilst they where interviewing Jurgen, they knew Rafa was on to them thats why they wanted shut.

but will were still falling behind and not looking so good in the CL.

Anyway as i said as soon as they took over, they will look to put their own manager in at the first chance thet get.

they wanted their own man to spend their money.

by **lakes10** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:04 pm

Aaron wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Woollyback wrote:benitez is the first manager to question the motives of the club's owners because it's the first time those motives have ever NEEDED to be questioned

If it wasnt for Rafa letting us know what their intention where we would have thought everything in the garden was rosy but Rafa sussed them out.

Rafa did not susse them out, Rafa had some poor results and they tried to replace him, he found out about it and then started to moan that they would not give new money for players.

May I remind you that this all started because G&H refused to back Rafa in the transfer market privately. Rafa went public on the issue that the European market is different and signings need to be made early, which the Americans refused to sanction.

They then refused to publicly back Rafa and then confirmed they had undermined Rafa's position by talking to Jurgen Klinsmann. All Rafa wanted was to have signings agreed so come January they could be signed, sealed and delivered.

The Americans have lied through their teeth from day one. We were assured no debt would be placed on the club, which it has. We were assured Rafa would get money to strengthen his squad, which they didnt. Any monies Rafa spent was re-couped from selling players.

They are 2 cowboys who are only interested in their wallots. The sooner they away off out of Liverpool FC the better!!!

before rafa asked for the money his "FRIEND" had alredy told him that G&H were looking to get him out.

I am only going by the reports his "friend" made........anyone know who this "friend" was or is?

by **nobybob** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:07 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I have to play things down, because the 80% figure does not seem to be backed up with evidence come matchdays.

Where I will criticise G/H is the fact they'd placed debt on the club, but I'm not convinced Rafa deserves the hero worship he's been getting recently.

the 80% came from a poll on this and other forums FACT
they said they were willing to concider removing their financial backing FACT

or do you deny this??

they Just need some organisation to put these views into action

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:07 pm

NOBBYBOB
no but getting G&H out will bring DIC in . And then there might be money to buy a world class striker to go with torres !!AND HE MIGHT SCORE A GOAL

I'm curious about this apparent "messiah complex" relating to DIC. The way that fans have embraced them as saviours is somewhat disturbing.

Yep, Rafa may buy a world class striker....then sit him next to Crouch on the bench and bring him on with 20 minutes to go.

NOBBYBOB
I will say it slower for you
i am trying to get a HOW TO GET G&H OUT THREAD

WOW!!!!

A THREAD!!!!

Yep, that's going to work.

why dont u help me
and why do u object to us wanting G&H out ??

Because I think the anti-H/G thing is becoming a hysterical bandwagon.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:09 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I have to play things down, because the 80% figure does not seem to be backed up with evidence come matchdays.

Where I will criticise G/H is the fact they'd placed debt on the club, but I'm not convinced Rafa deserves the hero worship he's been getting recently.

80% probably don't want G&H at the club, it doesn't mean they'll all resort open protests.

Rafa hasn't been getting a hero worship, it's just a simple fact that he was sh@t on by Hicks and Gillett, and in that respect you have to support him.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:09 pm

the 80% came from a poll on this and other forums FACT
they said they were willing to concider removing their financial backing FACT

or do you deny this??

they Just need some organisation to put these views into action

Deny? Not necessarily.

Question? Yes I do.

Hey, if you want to boycott LFC games, refuse to buy LFC merchandise and so forth...the club suffers.

It's your choice.

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