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[The Manhattan Project]

80% probably don't want G&H at the club, it doesn't mean they'll all resort open protests.

Why not? With that numbers, a protest would be near impossible to ignore.

Rafa hasn't been getting a hero's worship, it's just a simple fact that he was sh@t on by Hicks and Gillett, and in that respect you have to support him.

I've already criticised the Klinsmann approach.

As for Rafa, he was getting cheered during the Villa game.

We dominate and BOOM Villa score....then BOOM Villa score again.

Then Crouch (the nearly forgotten man) rescues us.

[LFC2007]

80% probably don't want G&H at the club, it doesn't mean they'll all resort open protests.

1) Why not? With that numbers, a protest would be near impossible to ignore.

Rafa hasn't been getting a hero's worship, it's just a simple fact that he was sh@t on by Hicks and Gillett, and in that respect you have to support him.

2) I've already criticised the Klinsmann approach.

As for Rafa, he was getting cheered during the Villa game.

We dominate and BOOM Villa score....then BOOM Villa score again.

Then Crouch (the nearly forgotten man) rescues us.

1) I think you're missing the point, which is, just because 80% of supporters would rather not have G&H as our owners, doesn't mean that corresponding 80% will protest.

2) What's wrong with Rafa getting support from the fans?

[The Manhattan Project]

1) I think you're missing the point, which is, just because 80% of supporters would rather not have G&H as our owners, doesn't mean that corresponding 80% will protest.

2) What's wrong with Rafa getting support from the fans?

1- Why not? If they REALLY wanted to make a difference, with those numbers they could.

2- Because I don't see him giving much back.

[Ciggy]

Hehehe

[tubby]

G&H could pump billions into the club and i still wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them. they've lied their way into the club and broken promises left right and centre. manhattan, you're a bright lad but i'm not sure you understand the most important concept here:The Liverpool Way

And if they pumped enough which resulted in us winning the leauge what then would you say?

[nobybob]

I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I have to play things down, because the 80% figure does not seem to be backed up with evidence come matchdays.


Where I will criticise G/H is the fact they'd placed debt on the club, but I'm not convinced Rafa deserves the hero worship he's been getting recently.

80% probably don't want G&H at the club, it doesn't mean they'll all resort open protests.

Rafa hasn't been getting a hero worship, it's just a simple fact that he was sh@t on by Hicks and Gillett, and in that respect you have to support him.

NO no not 80% dont want G&H at the club
the poll said " would you concider withdrawing financial support.
80 % answered a big YES to that question

[tubby]

If you lot are really serious about then then boycott the next premiership game.

[The Manhattan Project]

I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I have to play things down, because the 80% figure does not seem to be backed up with evidence come matchdays.


Where I will criticise G/H is the fact they'd placed debt on the club, but I'm not convinced Rafa deserves the hero worship he's been getting recently.

80% probably don't want G&H at the club, it doesn't mean they'll all resort open protests.

Rafa hasn't been getting a hero worship, it's just a simple fact that he was sh@t on by Hicks and Gillett, and in that respect you have to support him.

NO no not 80% dont want G&H at the club
the poll said " would you concider withdrawing financial support.
80 % answered a big YES to that question

That will only hurt the club and cause more problems.

The correct course of action now is a united front and support for the club and players.

[LFC2007]

1) I think you're missing the point, which is, just because 80% of supporters would rather not have G&H as our owners, doesn't mean that corresponding 80% will protest.

2) What's wrong with Rafa getting support from the fans?

1- Why not? If they REALLY wanted to make a difference, with those numbers they could.

2- Because I don't see him giving much back.

1) There are numerous supporters who'd rather not have G&H as our owners, some will act and protest, some will not. That's just the way it is. Some won't because they believe it's not the done thing, some because they believe it would do the club more harm than good overall. The 80% figure may well be correct, it's just that it varies from person to person. Some dislike them significantly more than others.

2) I don't see what that has to do with it, as supporters we should support the manager and team in times of turmoil. Rafa will always do his best, at the very least you should be able to deduce that from his time with us. If his best isn't good enough in your opinion, maybe you think we should be looking for a new manager.

[Ciggy]

Anyone see Rafa in his slippers at the pre match press conference 

[The Manhattan Project]

1) I think you're missing the point, which is, just because 80% of supporters would rather not have G&H as our owners, doesn't mean that corresponding 80% will protest.

2) What's wrong with Rafa getting support from the fans?

1- Why not? If they REALLY wanted to make a difference, with those numbers they could.

2- Because I don't see him giving much back.

1) There are numerous supporters who'd rather not have G&H as our owners, some will act and protest, some will not. That's just the way it is. Some won't because they believe it's not the done thing, some because they believe it would do the club more harm than good overall. The 80% figure may well be correct, it's just that it varies from person to person. Some dislike them significantly more than others.

2) I don't see what that has to do with it, as supporters we should support the manager and team in times of turmoil. Rafa will always do his best, at the very least you should be able to deduce that from his time with us. If his best isn't good enough in your opinion, maybe you think we should be looking for a new manager.

1- Then it's a misleading figure isn't it? It might be 80 per cent who are unhappy in some way, but certainly not 80 per cent who are willing to boycott and protest. In that case, I would argue that the ACTUAL active opposition to G/H could very well be a fringe element only.

2- If his best cannot bring us closer to the title and at least bring us Champions League qualification and reasonable progress, then yes we may have to look at other managerial options.

[LFC2007]

I ask again.

Where is this 80%?

At the Villa game, there were a few with banners and little else.

don't play down things mate...

what G&H did was just plain wrong and despicable and that's it... even an OOT knows this...

I have to play things down, because the 80% figure does not seem to be backed up with evidence come matchdays.


Where I will criticise G/H is the fact they'd placed debt on the club, but I'm not convinced Rafa deserves the hero worship he's been getting recently.

80% probably don't want G&H at the club, it doesn't mean they'll all resort open protests.

Rafa hasn't been getting a hero worship, it's just a simple fact that he was sh@t on by Hicks and Gillett, and in that respect you have to support him.

NO no not 80% dont want G&H at the club
the poll said " would you concider withdrawing financial support.
80 % answered a big YES to that question

Most would consider it as a realistic course of action, whether they would act upon that is an entirely different question.

In what capacity would that 80% reduce their financial input into the club?

That could mean anything from buying one less item of merchandise a year, to boycotting every game, and ceasing future purchases of all merchandise.

[LFC2007]

1) I think you're missing the point, which is, just because 80% of supporters would rather not have G&H as our owners, doesn't mean that corresponding 80% will protest.

2) What's wrong with Rafa getting support from the fans?

1- Why not? If they REALLY wanted to make a difference, with those numbers they could.

2- Because I don't see him giving much back.

1) There are numerous supporters who'd rather not have G&H as our owners, some will act and protest, some will not. That's just the way it is. Some won't because they believe it's not the done thing, some because they believe it would do the club more harm than good overall. The 80% figure may well be correct, it's just that it varies from person to person. Some dislike them significantly more than others.

2) I don't see what that has to do with it, as supporters we should support the manager and team in times of turmoil. Rafa will always do his best, at the very least you should be able to deduce that from his time with us. If his best isn't good enough in your opinion, maybe you think we should be looking for a new manager.

1- Then it's a misleading figure isn't it? It might be 80 per cent who are unhappy in some way, but certainly not 80 per cent who are willing to boycott and protest. In that case, I would argue that the ACTUAL active opposition to G/H could very well be a fringe element only.

2- If his best cannot bring us closer to the title and at least bring us Champions League qualification and reasonable progress, then yes we may have to look at other managerial options.

1) No, not misleading. Most people would at least consider it, therefore, most are unhappy with G&H.

2) Ok.

[Ciggy]

If you lot are really serious about then then boycott the next premiership game.

What do you mean by you lot Bav?

I see the phoney PR worked straight away on you what was it the shiny new stadium that done it?

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

Anyone see Rafa in his slippers at the pre match press conference 

no doubt some people will see it as another sign.